Love Zhaoying Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 minutes ago, CaitlinParker said: All because I asked you obvious yes or no questions, you suddenly want to go the passive aggressive route? No, constantly disagreeing is all it takes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 28 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: It seems you don't understand that LL is the entity in control of this. They make more money (or think they do) by structuring things the way they do. If you pay $ 20 to have a stall at a craft fair in RL, the people who organized the fair don't owe you any sales or compensation. In fact, you might be required to pay them a portion of your sales or to donate an item to a raffle. This is what LL does in SL. On the Marketplace they take a cut of your sales. With their Shop & Hop events, you donate an item. They are not a charity supporting independent creators. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 17 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said: If you want to advocate for better conditions, offer solutions. Create a forum or even a thread where others can suggest and debate possible solutions. @Coffee Pancake made a suggestion with this thread that we've been debating. So far I haven't seen much support for it, but at least we're having a discussion. I'm not sure I understand your need to control the thread. In other threads people have made proposals where the discussion went on ad nauseam. Why is this thread different or in need of your control? Since the thread only began today we haven't even had the chance for creators to weigh in. They're probably off somewhere creating and don't live on the forum as the forum regulars do. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, Persephone Emerald said: 35 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: It seems you don't understand that LL is the entity in control of this. They make more money (or think they do) by structuring things the way they do. If you pay $ 20 to have a stall at a craft fair in RL, the people who organized the fair don't owe you any sales or compensation. In fact, you might be required to pay them a portion of your sales or to donate an item to a raffle. This is what LL does in SL. On the Marketplace they take a cut of your sales. With their Shop & Hop events, you donate an item. They are not a charity supporting independent creators. They don't have to follow a capitalist model, is essentially what I'm saying. They are choosing to do so. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modulated Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, Persephone Emerald said: If you pay $ 20 to have a stall at a craft fair in RL, the people who organized the fair don't owe you any sales or compensation. In fact, you might be required to pay them a portion of your sales or to donate an item to a raffle. This is what LL does in SL. On the Marketplace they take a cut of your sales. With their Shop & Hop events, you donate an item. They are not a charity supporting independent creators. And in return you get access to their customer base for your potential profit, big or small, and that is fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modulated Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: They don't have to follow a capitalist model, is essentially what I'm saying. They are choosing to do so. Why wouldn't they ? This is beyond...................... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathlen Onyx Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 9 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I hope you will understand that I do not want you to address me further with this annoying attitude. Thank you. Not the way forums work. Use the block feature. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 6 minutes ago, CaitlinParker said: 8 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I hope you will understand that I do not want you to address me further with this annoying attitude. Thank you. All because I asked you obvious yes or no questions, you suddenly want to go the passive aggressive route? I'm only aggressive when need be...never 'passive aggressive'.  If you can't see how the way you frame the debate and the manner in which you speak could be seen as annoying, well I can't help you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaithLynnSayes Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 5 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said: "And now the time is near, And so we face the final curtain...." It is getting way to personal (again) Which Mole will step in with the keys this time? Or will it be a Linden. I for one, would like to see they play out. Maybe they will eventually tire themselves out. Â 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Just now, Kathlen Onyx said: 10 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I hope you will understand that I do not want you to address me further with this annoying attitude. Thank you. Not the way forums work. Use the block feature. I don't believe in using the Block feature. It's like saying nothing the blocked person says in the future could be interesting, and usually that would not be the case. I believe in polite requests. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 minutes ago, Modulated said: 4 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: They don't have to follow a capitalist model, is essentially what I'm saying. They are choosing to do so. Why wouldn't they ? This is beyond...................... Because capitalism sucks?  Unless you're at the top. Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: I'm not sure I understand your need to control the thread. In other threads people have made proposals where the discussion went on ad nauseam. Why is this thread different or in need of your control? Since the thread only began today we haven't even had the chance for creators to weigh in. They're probably off somewhere creating and don't live on the forum as the forum regulars do. Who are you and what have you done with the person who runs a two-region landscaping business? (I mean, some of us might not be upset by whatever you did, but it's an interesting question.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modulated Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Just now, Luna Bliss said: Because capitalism sucks?  Unless you're at the top. Oh. How much of your profit are you giving to someone else? Thought so, zero. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaithLynnSayes Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Just now, Luna Bliss said: Because capitalism sucks?  Unless you're at the top. Oh. *big, massive sigh* What do you propose? What has worked and what has never worked?   2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, Theresa Tennyson said: 7 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I'm not sure I understand your need to control the thread. In other threads people have made proposals where the discussion went on ad nauseam. Why is this thread different or in need of your control? Since the thread only began today we haven't even had the chance for creators to weigh in. They're probably off somewhere creating and don't live on the forum as the forum regulars do. Who are you and what have you done with the person who runs a two-region landscaping business? (I mean, some of us might not be upset by whatever you did, but it's an interesting question.) I guess you didn't notice I said CreatorS with an 's' on the end. That would be more than just me or one other person (Sid). The rest appear to be only consumers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaithLynnSayes Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, Modulated said: How much of your profit are you giving to someone else? Thought so, zero. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: I guess you didn't notice I said CreatorS with an 's' on the end. That would be more than just me or one other person (Sid). The rest appear to be only consumers. Appearances can be deceptive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Kudos to @Coffee Pancake for creating an interesting, lively thread. If her threads are as great over on her own Forum, we should all head there!  3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 I think a discussion on Capitalism and its alternatives are beyond the scope of this thread, and likely devolve into that dreaded 'P' word (Politics), so we best not go there. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaithLynnSayes Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: I guess you didn't notice I said CreatorS with an 's' on the end. That would be more than just me or one other person (Sid). The rest appear to be only consumers. I'm a creator, and i completely disagree with just about anything you said here, so don't...  3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) 1 minute ago, CaithLynnSayes said: I'm a creator, and i completely disagree with just about anything you said here, so don't...  Thank you for coming out. As a lover of Capitalism and all it entails I can see we'd likely disagree on many, many things. Edited April 2 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 5 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said: the person who runs a two-region landscaping business? ?!?!?! I'm not about to feel sorry for ANY creators who make enough to pay for multiple Regions! That was revealing, thank you. They can just have less Regions, or Zero Regions, and sell from the MP. After all, they're just giving LL their earnings for those Regions, then turning around and blaming LL for this situation. HYPOCRISY!  1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaitlinParker Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I'm only aggressive when need be...never 'passive aggressive'.  If you can't see how the way you frame the debate and the manner in which you speak could be seen as annoying, well I can't help you. Don't play that. I disagreed with you and the OP simply because everything the two you said was wrong. I even asked you obvious questions and you're avoiding them while giving the excuse that I'm coming off on you as annoying. No, that's you being passive aggressive and attempting to deflect everything that's being said to you... so as a previous person just said...  1 minute ago, CaithLynnSayes said: ... don't...   5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said: ?!?!?! I'm not about to feel sorry for ANY creators who make enough to pay for multiple Regions! That was revealing, thank you. Who said I paid for the regions, or paid for all the costs? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 3 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I think a discussion on Capitalism and its alternatives are beyond the scope of this thread, and likely devolve into that dreaded 'P' word (Politics), so we best not go there. Fine. If you want to be paid more, simply charge more. Don't blame someone else; take responsibility.  If your goods are worth it, people will pay for it. BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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