"People that play Near You" search option In Second life

[Zalificent Corvinus]

1 hour ago, Randall Ahren said:

The OP has offered a suggestion to help SL grow.

Debatable, it seems more like "A suggestion to kill off SL by driving out it's core user base"

1 hour ago, Randall Ahren said:

There are a lot of people that attempt to use SL for a dating platform.

How would YOU know? You admit quite openly that you un-installed your SL viewer some time back and basically do NOT use the platform at all any more, preferring to loiter in NyteFart Ripped Off Teens Royale, when not spamming the forums with your comments on a platform you simply do NOT use.

1 hour ago, Randall Ahren said:

Earlier investors wanted their money back and SL wasn't generating enough profits to pay them, so SL was sold.

Apparently they were happy enough with profits to wait over a decade and a half, before complaining and selling to the new owners, who apparently thought there was enough profit to make the company worth buying. This would seem to make your comments as fact free and utterly irrelevant as usual.

[Coffee Pancake]

On 10/6/2023 at 9:13 AM, Love Zhaoying said:

It would be interesting to know what @Coffee Pancake would say about all this.

It something of a pointless discussion.. Those who might want this are in game having fun and living their best SL, finding out where partners and playmates hail from is pretty much second conversation, even if only to help nail down the practicality of time zones.

As someone who has travelled tens of thousands of miles specifically to meet people from SL, I have no need of privacy breaching magic to find out who's geographically nearby and who isn't, not that them being far far away has ever stopped me. So if I can do it with crippling social anxiety, no one else has any excuse.

SL does desperately need more social focus and tooling .. in world .. you know, that other place.

[Randall Ahren]

16 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:

It something of a pointless discussion..

SL does desperately need more social focus and tooling .. in world .. you know, that other place.

So the mentors aren't going to be enough to get SL growing again?

SL needs in-world building tools for mesh so people will have a reason to login and revitalize the in-world builder community?

Maybe some policies and contests that promote team work and social interaction like the Gor community?

 

 

 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

4 hours ago, Randall Ahren said:

that promote team work and social interaction Misogynistic Incel Sex Pest Predators who loiter at New User areas and drive off female noobs within less than an hour of their arrival like the Gor community?

Fixed that for you.

[Coffee Pancake]

18 hours ago, Randall Ahren said:

SL needs in-world building tools for mesh so people will have a reason to login and revitalize the in-world builder community?

No one goes anywhere because people built things .. if they did, open sim wouldn't be empty, Sansar wouldn't be empty, Blue Mars wouldn't have been empty, decentral land wouldn't be empty, Meta wouldn't be empty ... MOST of Second Life wouldn't be empty like Chernobyl just after the last bus.

The confusion comes from building being a functional activity both socially and solo. Or put another way, given some capability to build, you will encourage a few builders .. who will then moan about the tools.

The Social landscape must come first. Get people being social and builders will step up and gravitate towards improving and facilitating more social activity.

18 hours ago, Randall Ahren said:

Maybe some policies and contests that promote team work and social interaction like the Gor community?

I know you're being facetious .. but in trying to mock that group you kinda prove my point. That was a massive socially focused group that built like crazy. They left SL en-masse, not because SL was bad or conan was better, but because Discord provided better social tooling. This inspired builders to step up .. and make conan mods to facilitate the communities desire to do just a little more than chat.

Actual Gorean's never camped newbie areas, there was no need, people went looking for them in droves.

You're thinking of dance club owners and vamps, you know, mainstream popular culture stuff LL have/do actually promote.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

2 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

Actual Gorean's never camped newbie areas, there was no need, people went looking for them in droves.

You're thinking of dance club owners and vamps, you know, mainstream popular culture stuff LL have/do actually promote.

Pretty sure that when I was a noob, the 8 ft tall guys with muscle sliders set to 100, weren't asking me if I wanted to visit a rock club, or listen to jazz music.

The Vamps just wanted to bite, and maybe talk you into buying a hud of their overlords 10% commission vendor board.

The ones demanding you call them Sir, and offering to "teach you how to roleplay being a slave" were all Sword n Sandals clones from Gor.

[Love Zhaoying]

5 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

18 hours ago, Randall Ahren said:

Maybe some policies and contests that promote team work and social interaction like the Gor community?

I know you're being facetious .. but in trying to mock that group you kinda prove my point.

It's really ironic that I could not tell if they were being mocking or not! 

(If some of "us" - royal "we", "me", "I" - mock Gor, and other people say something actually supportive of Gor, it is hard to tell if they mocking Gor or not.)

It is nice that you have a really good argument for Gor. You've done a great job articulating it before, and now again. 

Thank you for contributing here, glad you replied to my page!  I'm pretty sure that I originally paged you because of the "social aspect discussion".

[Coffee Pancake]

1 hour ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

The ones demanding you call them Sir, and offering to "teach you how to roleplay being a slave" were all Sword n Sandals clones from Gor.

Actual Gorean roleplayers stayed in Gor the vast majority of players never left .. they were extremally insular.

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

It is nice that you have a really good argument for Gor.

Goreans are a good example socially driven cohort that basically up and left over night. The peal clutching seems to come mainly from people who haven't read any classic fantasy romance, or romance novels in general. The Gorean community is and always has been driven almost entirely by women (but heaven forbid girls have fantasies about stereotypical walking walls of meat).

The Furry and Anime cohorts are other examples that have come and largely gone, although they tend to move in waves so it's less clear cut and harder to define. 

Cultural blocks are the foundation of this platform.

The OP is representative of one such massive block, people here for adult entertainment and dating. As someone who met her spouse here. I do understand the dilemma.

His request is basically expressing frustration at social tooling .. even if in this case, the specific request is not something most need.

A similar social feature that would be broadly useful would be someway to pick languages in profiles.

Remember this .. 

Now what if this still existed, but was built out like you would find on a modern social network.

What if we could search for people who [x] Wanted to be found. AND were interested in ______, with ______ skills and spoke _______.

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Coffee Pancake

[Scylla Rhiadra]

49 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

The peal clutching seems to come mainly from people who haven't read any classic fantasy romance, or romance novels in general.

🙄

And here we go yet again . . .

[Zalificent Corvinus]

45 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

The Gorean community is and always has been driven almost entirely by women

Yeah, they ran most of the Gor regions but...

 

You found many of the men, loitering at info hubs, noob friendly adult hangouts, and places like the Open Collar temples.

They made visiting an OC temple a pain, walking slabs of meat shouting "*nadu *grab *strip" into local chat, and claiming that all female avatars were "slaves" for their use.

And don't get me started on the ones who claimed that because they were pixel humping a Sim owning female, they also owned all her female staff too, and most of her female visitors.

 

50 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

The OP is representative of one such massive block, people here for adult entertainment and dating

Conflation, people here for "adult entertainment" and/or "pixel sex" does NOT equal "here for RL hookups in a dating app".

 

The OP mentioned thay had tried RL Dating apps, searching for this hypothetical "Sexy single Hawaiian Gamer Girl", and that those had not worked.

Let's consider that for a moment, you create an account on an RL dating app, with MILLIONS of ACTIVE users, most of them in the USA, most of them under 40, and looking for RL hookups, and cannot find the Hawaiian Gamer Girl.

Then you come to SL, with maybe 600k - 800k active users, more than 60% of whom are not in the USA, and where many of the USA members are on the WRONG side of the continent. A platform where most users are over 40, and NOT looking for RL hookups, and are surprised that you still cant find that 20 something Hawaiian.

Dismayed by the lack of success in a NON dating App, with a much smaller population, most of whom are the wrong age, in the wrong location and just not interested, you then demand that people should give their RL locations so you can hunt down the HANDFUL of SecondLifers who might happen to live on a Pacific Island in RL

 

The phrase "Cruising for an Emotional Bruising" comes to mind, expect to be disappointed.

 

59 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

His request is basically expressing frustration at social tooling

Social tooling is an abomination. Heads up, SecondLife is NOT a dating app, nor is it a "social platform", it's a platform where people CAN be social, if they CHOOSE to. Trying to crowbar in manic schemes to FORCE people to socialise with those they don't want to, will only end in disaster.

 

[Dorientje Woller]

1 hour ago, Love Zhaoying said:

It's really ironic that I could not tell if they were being mocking or not! 

(If some of "us" - royal "we", "me", "I" - mock Gor, and other people say something actually supportive of Gor, it is hard to tell if they mocking Gor or not.)

It is nice that you have a really good argument for Gor. You've done a great job articulating it before, and now again. 

Thank you for contributing here, glad you replied to my page!  I'm pretty sure that I originally paged you because of the "social aspect discussion".

 

[Rolig Loon]

1 hour ago, Coffee Pancake said:

A similar social feature that would be broadly useful would be someway to pick languages in profiles.

When profiles included that Interests tab, I wonder how many people actually filled in that field. I can easily imagine a newbie wanting to find other Spanish or Japanese speakers in SL. On the other hand, I suspect that most Spanish or Japanese speaking residents probably wouldn't want random people searching for them just because they share a language, so they would leave the field blank.  I really don't know whether the field was "broadly useful" or not, and I wonder whether making it searchable would really be popular.  I'm just guessing it wouldn't be.

In the same vein, I have wondered occasionally why almost nobody posts in the International sections of these forums. There are thousands of SL residents who speak Spanish and Portuguese, for example, but those forums get two or three posts a month on average. I can understand why few people post comments in those languages in the rest of the forums, where English overwhelms them, but why not in the International forums?  Language is a basic component of social networking, but not there. 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Rolig Loon
typos. as always.

[Rowan Amore]

4 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said:

When profiles included that Interests tab, I wonder how many people actually filled in that field. I can easily imagine a newbie wanting to find other Spanish or Japanese speakers in SL. On the other hand, I suspect that most Spanish or Japanese speaking residents probably wouldn't want random people searching for them just because they share a language, so they would leave the field blank.  I really don't know whether the field was "broadly useful" or not, and I wonder whether making it searchable would really be popular.  I'm just guessing it wouldn't be.

In the same vein, I have wondered occasionally why almost nobody posts in the International sections of these forums. There are thousands of SL residents who speak Spanish and Portuguese, for example, but those forums get two or three posts a month on average. I can understand why few people post comments in those languages in the rest of the forums, where English overwhelms them, but why not in the International forums?  Language is a basic component of social networking, but not there. 

I've read thousands amd thousands of profiles over the years.  Since the Interests tab was introduced, I'd say less than 10% of those profiles I've read had anything on that tab.  

[Zalificent Corvinus]

6 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said:

When profiles included that Interests tab, I wonder how many people actually filled in that field.

Web profiles still do, generally it seems to be ignored,

If most people used the features of the web profiles, LL wouldn't be deprecating them in the newest Official Viewer versions, would they?

[Scylla Rhiadra]

4 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Web profiles still do, generally it seems to be ignored,

If most people used the features of the web profiles, LL wouldn't be deprecating them in the newest Official Viewer versions, would they?

4 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

I've read thousands amd thousands of profiles over the years.  Since the Interests tab was introduced, I'd say less than 10% of those profiles I've read had anything on that tab.  

I may well be entirely wrong about this, because I have no stats, and no insights into LL's internal discussions on this, but I suspect that if LL had found a better way to integrate the "Interests" tab into search and other in-world tools, it might have become quite a useful and well-used tool. It was surely designed to feed into algorithms that sorted by things like language, skills, and interests, but I don't have the sense that they ever did anything with it.

[Rolig Loon]

2 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

If most people used the features of the web profiles, LL wouldn't be deprecating them in the newest Official Viewer versions, would they?

That's exactly where I was going, and it's in line with your earlier comment that

15 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

SecondLife is NOT a dating app, nor is it a "social platform", it's a platform where people CAN be social, if they CHOOSE to.

This is a social environment but it's not one where people seem to like social engineering. They prefer to find their own groups and companions.

[Scylla Rhiadra]

2 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said:

This is a social environment but it's not one where people seem to like social engineering. They prefer to find their own groups and companions.

This this this this this.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

3 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said:

This is a social environment but it's not one where people seem to like social engineering. They prefer to find their own groups and companions.

I added a new friend to my list on sunday afternoon.

I was in a store checking out the new products, and so where they, I saw the dress she had on, and ASKED her where it was from, as I liked the look of it, I *could* have right click/inspected it, I *could* have rummaged in my inventory for a whatisshewearing hud, but instead I asked, like a normal human being.

Her profile showed we were in some of the same groups, and had some interests in common, it turned out she's in the same timezone as me, we chatted, now we're on a friends list.

Social interaction. 

What I didn't need was an RL location box, an RL Timezone box, and "generic category interests" box, or any of that Social Tooling drek.

 

[Rolig Loon]

4 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

It was surely designed to feed into algorithms that sorted by things like language, skills, and interests, but I don't have the sense that they ever did anything with it.

Perhaps, but I somehow suspect that they never intended it to be more than a handy way for people to share information one on one. SL was fortunate to have been conceived in the era before Facebook, Twitter and the rest created the expectation that everything should be universally shareable. We make our connections the old-fashioned way, one or two people at a time, on our own terms.  That explains SL's appeal to the older demographic, I suppose, and it also explains why it doesn't appeal as much to people who are primarily drawn to the world of Musk and Zuckerberg.

[Ayashe Ninetails]

To address the OP's interest in finding gamers, I've had only some occasional luck finding them here. SL's audience is rather broad and many don't read profiles. Same issue with dating sites - there's potential, but it's harder to filter out all the rest.

Rather than SL or dating sites, I've found the most reliable way to seek that population is via regional servers in actual MMOs. RL hookups and marriages abound in WoW, FF14, Guild Wars 2, and elsewhere without need of changing any of those platforms into dating sites. Pick a regional server, find a social guild, and bam, now you've got access to hundreds of chatty gamers in your corner of the world.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

20 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Rather than SL or dating sites, I've found the most reliable way to seek that population is via regional servers in actual MMOs

LMAO, Suggesting people searching for Gamerz (tm) should consider looking on Gamez (tm), whatever next?

Silly idea, looking for people where they might ACTUALLY be found, NO "Social Tooling Stupidity Points" for you!

 

[Ayashe Ninetails]

12 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

LMAO, Suggesting people searching for Gamerz (tm) should consider looking on Gamez (tm), whatever next?

Silly idea, looking for people where they might ACTUALLY be found, NO "Social Tooling Stupidity Points" for you!

Lol, figured it was a good time to state the obvious.

Another obvious set of opportunities - go to TwitchCon. Go to PAX. Go to BlizzCon. Go to DreamHack. Etc. That's where my people can most reliably be found out in the wild if the whole online thang ain't workin' out. Finding gamers online is pretty dang easy, though, so I dunno why SL is even an option (no offense, SL).

[Zalificent Corvinus]

10 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

I dunno why SL is even an option (no offense, SL).

Hmm, interesting question, let me see if I can postulate an answer to that.

/me coughs

"Hey y'all, I done seen that folks come on this SL game-thing to pixel-hump, so OBVOUSLY, they must be lonely sex starved gamer babes looking for RL Hookups with a REAL man, am I right?"

"Wait, what do you mean they don't all live in California? What? Most of them are over 40? OMG! And you tell me there's filthy TROLLS here from that You-Rope place, where the commies live? What next? Mexicans and Canadians? Ewwww... Freedumb! Eat me you commies!"

/me coughs again.

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Zalificent Corvinus

[Love Zhaoying]

1 hour ago, Rolig Loon said:

On the other hand, I suspect that most Spanish or Japanese speaking residents probably wouldn't want random people searching for them just because they share a language, so they would leave the field blank.

But..but..it could help find a real Waifu!!

[Zalificent Corvinus]

12 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

But..but..it could help find a real Waifu!!

Why ASSume that anyone who happens to speak Japanese is ACTUALLY looking for an RL "Waifu", or that they don't already have one, or several?

I have an SL friend, who lives in Tokyo, she doesn't advertise her location, timezone, or linguistic abilities on her profile. Her being in Tokyo, isn't a "Secret" you can easily find out in conversation. but she doesn't advertise it to complete strangers shes never spoken to, who MIGHT stumble on her profile..