JoeBahama Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 After weeks of GoH, we got a lovely water front traditional, but didn't know about the problems with the Hammond Park region. We contacted support and they acknowledged the issue as something that can't be fixed. The lovely waterfront view has this nasty artifact in it which is unaffected by draw distance. Apparently there is a lake in the middle of the region with a water level of about 26 meters. This is higher than the surrounding ocean, so when rendered the difference in water level causes the artifact. According to support there is nothing that can be done. Oh well...back to the drawing board. After we abandon this, if you get it next you'll know what this artifact is all about. Happy hunting! 1 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureWaves Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 that's unfortunate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakura Sands Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 How interesting. Hammond Park was such a sought after location. I’ll have to go have a look on game and see how much the problem irritates me. It’s a lovely region! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nika Talaj Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 You have come upon the reason why most of Logland is edged by mountains, not by coastal properties. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BellaBorneBradley Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) It's such a shame. Hammond Park region is lovely. Hopefully, someone will come up with a solution to this eyesore of a problem. Fingers crossed! Edited March 7, 2023 by BellaBorneBradley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Starlight Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 I had that same parcel and saw the line too. It is a shame. I also see that line on SE Victorian Coast as well as on the West Coast of the Victorians around the Barstough Region area. I have even noticed it in the Log Home regions--mainly on the ones with big lakes. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBahama Posted March 7, 2023 Author Share Posted March 7, 2023 And here is another especially significant example. From the top of the Barton Dam looking north you see a huge artifact that represents the difference in water level between top and bottom. I suppose the real solution is a change in the way all the viewers renders a water level mismatch. Seems like treating the difference with transparency might be better than that ugly blue line. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Starlight Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Wow, it LOOKS like they fixed it all! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Starlight Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, JoeBahama said: And here is another especially significant example. From the top of the Barton Dam looking north you see a huge artifact that represents the difference in water level between top and bottom. I suppose the real solution is a change in the way all the viewers renders a water level mismatch. Seems like treating the difference with transparency might be better than that ugly blue line. Go back to Hammond, don't toss it yet, I went there and to the other areas I saw lines and I don't see them anymore! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BellaBorneBradley Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 I'm back in Hammond Park and still see the line. It's not fixed! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBahama Posted March 7, 2023 Author Share Posted March 7, 2023 It's still broken. You have to be IN the region with higher water looking at regions with a lower water level. We still see it in Hammond. What view are you using. I'm Firestorm, latest version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Starlight Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Yes, latest Firestorm and I was on all the regions. I went to Barstough, and Mermaid Frolic as well. My friend said she couldn't see it either!? hmmm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBahama Posted March 7, 2023 Author Share Posted March 7, 2023 How about Gentle Grove facing east? Basically anywhere on that island on the east side of original bellisseria. There are bunch of lakes with linden water at a higher elevation than the ocean. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBahama Posted March 7, 2023 Author Share Posted March 7, 2023 Mermaid Frolic is fine for me, but if i go to Peu Corner and look back at Mermaid Frolic we see this: 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nika Talaj Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Short thread on this: I believe there's a fuller explanation buried somewhere in the SSP thread. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eowyn Southmoor Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I explained this years ago. What you are seeing is two water levels because the default water in SL is 20m, and this "layer" projects across every region in SL. So, whenever you have a region with a higher or lower water layer than the default height, you'll see both layers being drawn. However, you will only see this IF you are standing in the region with the "non-default" water height. If you are standing on a region with only the default water height, even if you look at the region with the high water level, everything will look completely normal - that's because the non-default water level doesn't get drawn past the region it is in. SL has always been like this - you can see this effect not only in Bellisseria, but in southern Sansara where some of the lakes there have the water layer set to 70 or 80m. At the Linden Memorial park in northern Corsica - you can see the opposite effect, whereby one region there has the water let set lower than the default 20m. As Nika said, this is the exact reason the Log homes are ringed in mountains - to hide this oddity after many complained about it when the Vics were released. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBahama Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 Thanks everyone. Seems like there would be some sort of solution after all these years: IF (current-region-water not-equal default) THEN render differently....but I'm just an avatar and not a programmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond Marchant Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 3 hours ago, JoeBahama said: Seems like there would be some sort of solution after all these years The solution would be to redo the lake in the middle of the region and lower the water level to the standard 20m. I did notice that draw distance does effect the anomaly, which occurs because regions beyond the draw distance are filled in with water, using the water elevation of the region you are in. So if you TP to the lake in Hammond Park with dd of 128, you see the anomaly. If you then reset your dd to 1024, the anomaly persists but moves away from you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBahama Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 Well if you want a nice water view of this artifact - come and get it. We are abandoning it right now..... http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Hammond Park/10/20/29 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureWaves Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I'm sorry you had to abandon. It seems to be an easy fix, if the moles could just patch up that lake and turn it into a park area/garden, then lower the water to match the region in front. Why not? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moles Abnor Mole Posted March 11, 2023 Moles Share Posted March 11, 2023 On 3/8/2023 at 2:31 PM, AzureWaves said: I'm sorry you had to abandon. It seems to be an easy fix, if the moles could just patch up that lake and turn it into a park area/garden, then lower the water to match the region in front. Why not? Hmmm.. looks more like an easy way to make everyone else in the region livid we filled in their lake to make one house have a nicer view to me. Maybe someday they will change the way water off in the distance to the horizon in unrendered regions is displayed. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marianne Little Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 I had never thought it was a technical reason for it - other than me who failed to use the better windlight/whatever. 😩 So it wasn't my fault. Bad LL, bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymn Celestia Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 I love Hammond Park so much; I'd have happily taken that house if I'd seen it soon enough ❤️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond Marchant Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Abnor Mole said: looks more like an easy way to make everyone else in the region livid we filled in their lake to make one house have a nicer view to me I would replace that lake with fake Linden water. My favorite is Edo Freshwater from Konoha. You can see some in my koi pond here http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Airashii Mogura/161/15/34 The lake appears to be decorative so this could work. I used this water to fill a double wide parcel at SL19B and it looked great. Edited March 11, 2023 by diamond Marchant 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nika Talaj Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 9 hours ago, Abnor Mole said: Hmmm.. looks more like an easy way to make everyone else in the region livid we filled in their lake to make one house have a nicer view to me. QFT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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