Phil Deakins Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 I want to log into SL with a Raspberry Pi 4 with 4G ram, and I'm thinking that a slim system like Radegast will do it. But Radegast doesn't come in a Linux flavour. Is there a Linux slim/text viewer out there that can do it? Note I did try both Firestorm and Singularity but they wouldn't even open, so I couldn't try logging in. I thought I might have been able to log in and just stand still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 This isn't a Linux problem. This is an ARM problem. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) Ok. But it's a Linux system (Rasbian - modified Debian) and Linux viewers can run on the Raspberry Pi, or so a page of installation instructions would have us believe Edited September 25, 2022 by Phil Deakins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Legion Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 It. Isn't. A. Linux. Problem. SL/TPVs will run on Linux. They will not run on ARM. If you're finding installation instructions for an SL Viewer for ARM, that's nice. if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work or you may need to do some tweaks. Put bluntly: It is not the OS that is an issue. it is the CPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted September 25, 2022 Author Share Posted September 25, 2022 I understand what you're saying, but I'm still inclined to go with the step-by-step instructions to run a viewer on the Raspberry Pi. I can't say that it works. All I can say is that the instructions indicate that it does. If nobody comes up with a thin client, then it's academic anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) Try the ARM build of the Cool VL Viewer (the corresponding forum thread is here)... No guarantee, but worth a try. You should also be able to build the viewer from its current sources on your Pi (instructions for building are the same as for x86_64 Linux builds, i.e. merely untar the sources, change to the linden/ directory in a terminal, and type ./linux-build.sh) Edited September 25, 2022 by Henri Beauchamp 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profaitchikenz Haiku Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 The main problem you'll encounter with the Raspberry Pi is there is limited OpenGL support for it, which is going to be a bit of a hindrance to even low-Graphics programs like Radegast even when built from source. There are reports from people like Jeff Geerling about workarounds for this, and I also believe that the Dayturn forums might have some advice on implemtations. The newer Pi4Bs are offering a 64-bit OS and there might be openGL support on the way for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Profaitchikenz Haiku said: The newer Pi4Bs are offering a 64-bit OS and there might be openGL support on the way for that. Yes, I am assuming a PI 4B, here (my viewer no more supports 32 bits builds, especially under Linux, due to crash bugs in modern boost fiber/context 32 bits libraries). Edited September 25, 2022 by Henri Beauchamp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Hird Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Is there a link to the install instructions for an SL TPV viewer on a RPI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 51 minutes ago, Gavin Hird said: Is there a link to the install instructions for an SL TPV viewer on a RPI? See above... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) Many thank to all who posted. I do appreciate it. First I'm going to try Henri's ARM build, and then, if needed, the other suggestions. My purpose is to reduce the power I use for my computing. I've turned the tower off and I'm using the Pi4 for email and browsing. I'd like a way of logging into SL as well, but only to be around for IMs and such, which is what I normally do anyway. It may be that anything else might still need to be done with the tower. ETA I'll post how it turns out in case anyone is interested in doing it. Such as @Gavin Hird. Edited September 26, 2022 by Phil Deakins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindens Monty Linden Posted September 26, 2022 Lindens Share Posted September 26, 2022 Very interested in how this turns out so looking forward to hearing the results (good or bad). I haven't used radegast but cinder is updating it (https://github.com/cinderblocks/radegast) and it looks possible. OpenGL support and fmod wrapping might be challenges. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Monty Linden said: OpenGL support and fmod wrapping might be challenges OpenGL is fine with modern ARM64 SoCs under Linux. FMOD is not needed (we have OpenAL support as well under Linux for TPVs, and my build scripts automatically select it for ARM builds). It's good to see a Linden interested in this. It still puzzles me that LL did not yet change their stance about Linux support... You know, mobile platforms are mostly ARM-based, and Linux works very nicely with them, not to mention Android is just ”Linux by Google”, so an Android version of the viewer (with OpenGL ES) should be possible, after LL adapts what TPV devs have done for years for the viewer under Linux... Just imagine the perspectives it would open for a wider SL adoption. Edited September 26, 2022 by Henri Beauchamp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Official Second Life for Linux AND the Raspberry PI is a great way to get younger people, even if they don't stay on that client .. seems like a solid business case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said: Official Second Life for Linux AND the Raspberry PI is a great way to get younger people, Unfortunately, you can't buy a new Raspberry Pi these days. I think it's to do with chips being scarce, or something like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said: Unfortunately, you can't buy a new Raspberry Pi these days. I think it's to do with chips being scarce, or something like that. If you're in the US, microcenter 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 Here in the UK, you can't get one anywhere. They are anticipated to be available sometime next year, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 36 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said: If you're in the US, microcenter Amazon has a lot of choices, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, Phil Deakins said: Here in the UK, you can't get one anywhere. They are anticipated to be available sometime next year, I believe. That's interesting, because wasn't the RPi conceived and developed in the UK? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) I will probably buy an ARM SBC next year... I am waiting for RK3588-based boards to be widely available (and with proper Linux support): this SoC is a little beast, and these boards will have 8GB of RAM or more, making them suitable for running a full-fledged SL viewer. The Banana Pi BPI-W3, for example, looks very promising... Edited September 26, 2022 by Henri Beauchamp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindens Monty Linden Posted September 26, 2022 Lindens Share Posted September 26, 2022 Henri, all the cool kids are moving to Risc-V... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henri Beauchamp Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Monty Linden said: Henri, all the cool kids are moving to Risc-V... Thing is, it's been decades I'm no more a kid ! 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeromFranzic Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I bought my Pi 3's and 4 4GB model from a store in NYC called Tinkersphere. Just looked them up and the 8 GB currently sells for $180 USD. Yipes... that one used to sell for about $70-75 from that place IIRC. I live in the area so I've gotten my Pi's directly from the shop. Still a bargain for a SoC IMO. (Don't have them RN... still looking for a new place to crash long term... it's all in storage, boo.)https://tinkersphere.com/raspberry-pi-orange-pi-boards/3046-raspberry-pi-4-model-b-15ghz-64-bit.html#/ram-8gb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeromFranzic Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: That's interesting, because wasn't the RPi conceived and developed in the UK? Yes, but the production for RPi is split between the UK and China. I have one board from the UK, and two from China. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share Posted September 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said: That's interesting, because wasn't the RPi conceived and developed in the UK? It was, and is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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