Pamela Galli Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Commerce/New-Merchant-Requirement/ba-p/2321469 I know it is a crumb, but it is SOMETHING! (ETA: Keep reading. Actually it is nothing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Pamela Galli wrote: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Commerce/New-Merchant-Requirement/ba-p/2321469 I know it is a crumb, but it is SOMETHING! Left out of that announcement was also the statement, "In the event of legal or other issues it makes it easier for us to know who the heck you are." Sadly, although this only effects new merchants at the moment, I would non be surprised if we hear an out cry from some non U.S. people. Though it is rare, there are some who despite trying to jump through every conceivable loop hole to get POIF, they have never been able to get a "verified" account. I have one such friend. Still, I do applaud LL's action if it reigns in some of the problems there have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Luminos Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Perrie Juran wrote: Pamela Galli wrote: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Commerce/New-Merchant-Requirement/ba-p/2321469 I know it is a crumb, but it is SOMETHING! Left out of that announcement was also the statement, "In the event of legal or other issues it makes it easier for us to know who the heck you are." Sadly, although this only effects new merchants at the moment, I would non be surprised if we hear an out cry from some non U.S. people. Though it is rare, there are some who despite trying to jump through every conceivable loop hole to get POIF, they have never been able to get a "verified" account. I have one such friend. Still, I do applaud LL's action if it reigns in some of the problems there have been. I think its good that it only applies to new accounts. This leaves existing genuine, non-thieving merchants safe to continue their business as usual even if they can't put PIOF. What it will do though, is prevent the situation where an account gets banned for having a store full of stolen goods, and promptly returns the next day with a feesh new anonymous alt selling the same merchandise. I forsee a purge of dodgy resellers in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffy Vella Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 YES!!! Oh wondrous thing! when one tiny, belated step towards cleaning up the fetid cesspool of stolen faeces that besmirches our otherwise shiny daisy-fresh Marketplace!! Oh glorious day! when the warm light of Linden love and care radiates benevolently upon our uplifted countenances, as we raise our faces up from our Blenders and Photoshops to sing praises to their names!! Glory to them!! Glory, glory, glory neverending!!!! snort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuria Augapfel Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 YAY!! SO happy with this notice :-)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darien Caldwell Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Too bad it turns out any alt can simply buy something with L$ and become PIOF. So now all they have to do is, give their throwaway alt 1 L$, buy a 1 L$ demo, and tada, they are PIOF and can open a store. This makes the new 'restriction' without any teeth whatsovever. Payment Info on File should mean just that: that they have a Credit card, Paypal or other form of identifiable payment associated with the account. Making PIOF just mean they spent an L$ someone gave them makes it useless as a protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Galli Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Well crap. Too good to be true after all -- although it was not THAT good anyway. Move along, nothing to see after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffy Vella Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Well, damn. I was happy for an hour there, and thought The Lab ,like, cared about us. (The skies cloud over, and the angels' glorious voices are all too quickly choked off. The usual wailing and gnashing resumes amidst the sulphurous fumes.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Darien Caldwell wrote: Too bad it turns out any alt can simply buy something with L$ and become PIOF. So now all they have to do is, give their throwaway alt 1 L$, buy a 1 L$ demo, and tada, they are PIOF and can open a store. This makes the new 'restriction' without any teeth whatsovever. Payment Info on File should mean just that: that they have a Credit card, Paypal or other form of identifiable payment associated with the account. Making PIOF just mean they spent an L$ someone gave them makes it useless as a protection. Holy boiled bananas Batman! This must be new. Maybe since they re-did the Cashier? My friend who has never been able to verify a payment Method and relies strictly on the exchanges now shows as "payment info on file." However, my account that I use for editing poses, which I have not made a purchase in about a year, still shows no "payment on file." Unless by Verified, they mean have a verified form of payment on record, CC or Paypal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Jetaime Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I don't believe that buying something on MP adds payment information to your entire SL account. It only adds it on your MP account which is only used as the default method of payment when you go to check out. Note that the announcement says to check using the dashboard and the Mesh Upload Status Page. Buying on MP does not add payment information here. The payment info on that page of my dashboard shows my paypal information while the checkout page on MP shows the payment method as L's because I've only ever used L's to purchase from MP. If anyone sees on their Mesh Upload Status Page anything other than no PIOF or your approved RL payment information if you have it on file, please post that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartagan Shepherd Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Agree, it's something, as long as they haven't changed PIOF. Assuming there's enforcement and that links PIOF info regardless of avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrish Ashbourne Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Darien Caldwell wrote: Too bad it turns out any alt can simply buy something with L$ and become PIOF. So now all they have to do is, give their throwaway alt 1 L$, buy a 1 L$ demo, and tada, they are PIOF and can open a store. This makes the new 'restriction' without any teeth whatsovever. Payment Info on File should mean just that: that they have a Credit card, Paypal or other form of identifiable payment associated with the account. Making PIOF just mean they spent an L$ someone gave them makes it useless as a protection. Thats on the marketplace, I would like to think LL is talking about the PIOF in the dashboard. Thats where the link in the anouncment goes to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arton Rotaru Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 No wonder that there is so much ripped mesh content out there. Anybody can upload mesh without giving any RL info at all. Hopefully they fix this ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GERI01 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Amethyst Jetaime wrote: I don't believe that buying something on MP adds payment information to your entire SL account. It only adds it on your MP account which is only used as the default method of payment when you go to check out. Note that the announcement says to check using the dashboard and the Mesh Upload Status Page. Buying on MP does not add payment information here. The payment info on that page of my dashboard shows my paypal information while the checkout page on MP shows the payment method as L's because I've only ever used L's to purchase from MP. If anyone sees on their Mesh Upload Status Page anything other than no PIOF or your approved RL payment information if you have it on file, please post that. I just tried this with an account that had no payment info and (until now) had no MP history under the new payment system, to see if anything has changed. The same bugs are there as from a few months ago. Just a few minutes ago, a marketplace purchase for L$1 changed that avatar's payment info box to green on the mesh upload status page. It also made the web profile say "payment info on file". It did not change the payment info display in legacy (non-web) profiles. That avatar is still not allowed to enter parcels that require payment info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Galli Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 I know. It is hard continually making ourselves believe that LL can be as stupid as they are. It is really beyond our ability to comprehend. After all, if we or anyone we knew did their jobs this badly, we would be gone pronto. Yet at LL, bungling over and over is perfectly acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassy Romano Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Just to clarify for any doubters, I just took an avatar that I hadn't used for a long time, paid it L$20 and then with it bought an item for L$1. Payment method added as Darien described. Then created a marketplace store and made a notecard product https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/New-Note/5485367 Next, do the mesh IP tutorial and upload a mesh object https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Cube/5485379 It really is that bad. (minor edit: I just created a new avatar and was told that I needed to be > 5 days old, piof and agree to terms. Repeated the process to buy something for L$1 and refreshed the page to create a store. Page then asked only for > 5 days and agree to terms. Thus it's not because the other avatar was grandfathered in any way to not be required to have PIOF like a new avatar. I fully expect this new avatar to have a shiny store up in 5 days time.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertEroicaDupea Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I do not have any RL payment info associated with this account, but I do get $L from an undisclosed source I use the MP a lot, and I do have PIOF on my mesh upload status page. I went in-world to check my profile, and was surprised to see it said 'Payment Info Used. So ... I guess LL can try to get this right again ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Jetaime Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Sassy Romano wrote: Just to clarify for any doubters, I just took an avatar that I hadn't used for a long time, paid it L$20 and then with it bought an item for L$1. Payment method added as Darien described. Then created a marketplace store and made a notecard product https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/New-Note/5485367 Next, do the mesh IP tutorial and upload a mesh object https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Cube/5485379 It really is that bad. (minor edit: I just created a new avatar and was told that I needed to be > 5 days old, piof and agree to terms. Repeated the process to buy something for L$1 and refreshed the page to create a store. Page then asked only for > 5 days and agree to terms. Thus it's not because the other avatar was grandfathered in any way to not be required to have PIOF like a new avatar. I fully expect this new avatar to have a shiny store up in 5 days time.) Well that totally negates any security from having PIOF! LL's incompetance never fails to amaze me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuria Augapfel Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I guess it was too good to be true...i hope they fix this bug soon, if not the new requeriment of PIOF have NO sense :-S *This bug has been there for weeks, i think that the first time that happened to me with an alt (get PIOF just by purchasing something in the MP) was about 2 months ago or more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Galli Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 Amethyst Jetaime wrote: LL's incompetance never fails to amaze me. Isn't it the truth! I have NEVER seen anything like it, even in government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czari Zenovka Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Tiffy Vella wrote: YES!!! Oh wondrous thing! when one tiny, belated step towards cleaning up the fetid cesspool of stolen faeces that besmirches our otherwise shiny daisy-fresh Marketplace!! Oh glorious day! when the warm light of Linden love and care radiates benevolently upon our uplifted countenances, as we raise our faces up from our Blenders and Photoshops to sing praises to their names!! Glory to them!! Glory, glory, glory neverending!!!! snort You made my day, Tiffy. *Grins* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czari Zenovka Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Amethyst Jetaime wrote: I don't believe that buying something on MP adds payment information to your entire SL account. It only adds it on your MP account which is only used as the default method of payment when you go to check out. Note that the announcement says to check using the dashboard and the Mesh Upload Status Page. Buying on MP does not add payment information here. The payment info on that page of my dashboard shows my paypal information while the checkout page on MP shows the payment method as L's because I've only ever used L's to purchase from MP. If anyone sees on their Mesh Upload Status Page anything other than no PIOF or your approved RL payment information if you have it on file, please post that. Unless something has happened in the last six months (which is entirely possible), I added payment info to an alt by adding a credit card and it still showed as no PIOF on the website *until* I purchased something and then it "clicked in" so PIOF appears to take two steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czari Zenovka Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 GERI01 wrote: Amethyst Jetaime wrote: I don't believe that buying something on MP adds payment information to your entire SL account. It only adds it on your MP account which is only used as the default method of payment when you go to check out. Note that the announcement says to check using the dashboard and the Mesh Upload Status Page. Buying on MP does not add payment information here. The payment info on that page of my dashboard shows my paypal information while the checkout page on MP shows the payment method as L's because I've only ever used L's to purchase from MP. If anyone sees on their Mesh Upload Status Page anything other than no PIOF or your approved RL payment information if you have it on file, please post that. I just tried this with an account that had no payment info and (until now) had no MP history under the new payment system, to see if anything has changed. The same bugs are there as from a few months ago. Just a few minutes ago, a marketplace purchase for L$1 changed that avatar's payment info box to green on the mesh upload status page. It also made the web profile say "payment info on file". It did not change the payment info display in legacy (non-web) profiles. That avatar is still not allowed to enter parcels that require payment info. Ok, that's odd. My main account has PIOF (as in a credit card & my RL info), and I have purchased a number of things from the MP, including after LL changed the payment system but when I went to the link provided by LL per this recent announcement I am still showing that I am unable to upload mesh. ETA: Ok, I read your post too quickly. You said it changed the avatar's *payment* info bax to green *on* the mesh upload status page; so I'm assuming it did *not* change the ability to upload mesh. Sorry about the confusion. Doing too many things at one time. :matte-motes-bashful-cute: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czari Zenovka Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Well gah. Thanks for checking that out, Sassy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Sassy Romano wrote: Just to clarify for any doubters, I just took an avatar that I hadn't used for a long time, paid it L$20 and then with it bought an item for L$1. Payment method added as Darien described. Then created a marketplace store and made a notecard product https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/New-Note/5485367 Next, do the mesh IP tutorial and upload a mesh object https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Cube/5485379 It really is that bad. (minor edit: I just created a new avatar and was told that I needed to be > 5 days old, piof and agree to terms. Repeated the process to buy something for L$1 and refreshed the page to create a store. Page then asked only for > 5 days and agree to terms. Thus it's not because the other avatar was grandfathered in any way to not be required to have PIOF like a new avatar. I fully expect this new avatar to have a shiny store up in 5 days time.) Please let us know in 5 days what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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