Paul Hexem

I'll echo what others are saying. A disclaimer, no matter where you put it, isn't consent. Even if it's your autoresponse. Consent has to be "I agree" or "I consent" or "I give you permission", etc. This comparison is used a lot... Police pull you over for speeding, and you say "If you continue talking to me, that automatically waives the speeding fine"... Sounds even dumber in that context, doesn't it?

Xclusive has re-opened with new management, a new, better location, and a more user friendly build, and is looking for dancers to help fill the place up. The club boasts regular events, two dance floors, dedicated staff DJ's, listed in search, classifieds, and on the SL events page. Benefits include 80% tips, set your own hours, personalized tech support for SL related issues, space to sell your own items or put up affiliate boards, input in build and policy decisions, and even bonus pay for any ideas, concepts, or input that helps improve the club in almost any way. Come down and get an application in world at: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Lefabre/10/151/79 Or contact Sevyn Resident or Gadget Portal for more information.

LL has a policy of not getting involved in what they call resident to resident disputes. If you lost a substantial amount of money, I'd be talking to a lawyer, because LL won't help you.

It's possible that the region is set that way by the region owner. Alternatively, check your parcel windlight settings. If you enabled it to accept from friends (and I forgot the other options) that could be happening too.

The other thing is check script counts. Lots and lots of scripted objects will make it hard to move or TP from sim to sim.

Looks like there might still be an alpha channel in the texture, even though there's no actual transparent parts.

Are they on an up to date viewer? Clothes layers are clothes layers and you shouldn't have to do anything special.

Eric Castanea wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: You've offered no technical details or system specs. Seemed more like you were just saying V2 doesn't run well. I was offering evidence that it can, depending on your system and your settings. If you want helpful feedback, post your system specs and some of your settings, maybe we can figure out why your system is having so much trouble with it. Ok, then. Please tell me why I can only get 5fps with this laptop with LL's latest viewer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CPU: AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology ML-42 (2412.36 MHz) Memory: 2047 MB OS Version: Microsoft Windows Vista 32-bit Service Pack 2 (Build 6002) Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation Graphics Card: GeForce Go 7900 GS/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! Well, right off the bat, that's 5 year old technology. Single core and an old GPU, and only 2 gigs RAM. That can be partially to blame. That said, you are right, you should be getting better FPS than you do. What driver version are you using on the GPU, is that up to date? And the other troublehsooting question that has to be asked is if you're running other software, background programs, etc. With that system, you should be able to get at least 15. My partner has a much weaker system, and we greased 15 FPS (on a private estate, not mainland) out of it with some effort.

Catwise Yoshikawa wrote: I don't need to buy a new computer each year to work with 3d or video editing, so why should we need to buy a new computer each year just for SL? no sense, sorry. Would agree updating a 5 year old pc, but they can't ask people to update computers each year... I didn't say buy one each year. I said get a modern system. Every five years, for example. Or, even better, something that can be upgraded over the years. Get a basic 64 bit PC now, and as time goes, add more RAM or a better GPU, or perhaps a better CPU. One part at a time as the years go, to keep costs down.

Baloo Uriza wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: I never claimed it was well made. This is easily the buggiest, most poorly designed software I've ever used. You've never used Microsoft Windows, Internet Explorer, Autodesk AutoCAD or Microsoft Office? I mean, if we're going to talk about bloated, buggy crap, might as well point out the eggregious offenders first. I've used all of those but Office pretty extensively, although it's been some years since I used AutoCAD. My opinion stands. SL is still the buggiest system I've used. And I know 95 FPS is overkill. My point was that it's possible to get good FPS with V2. Doesn't matter if it's 45, 65, or eleventybillion. If someone is having trouble getting good FPS, they should post their system specs so that the problem may be more easily found.

Jayvell Villota wrote: All I have to say is look at how technology is advancing when it comes to software and computer graphics. It's getting to the point where if you don't have a decent computer to meet the requirements of most things, then there really isn't anything you're going to be able to do. I'm all in favor of LL's decision to remove V1 Viewer support, because honestly, it is their source code where they can do anything they want with it, regardless of any current TPVs being out there, it doesn't mean people can't develop TPVs for V2, like Firestorm currently is. I've had close to no issues with Viewer 2 other than the recent updates they've rolled out which removed the Lighting and Shadow's feature, where people have to use the Development/Beta client for viewer 2 until the issue has been fixed. Normally, I run V2 at ultra settings with all options on and it runs at around 20-30 FPS, but obviously lowers in places where there are a lot of people. All I can really say is - It's time for people to dish out their cash and invest in better rigs, meant for gaming, because I believe that somewhere down the line LL is going to try to turn SL's graphics into say something in similarity of CryEngine's sandbox and whatnot, and yes I know not everyone is made of money and can't afford the best hardware available, but I'm just saying. Someday LL will get it right, where they balance both the performance of their viewer & servers, along with making it look presentable to people that are enthusiasts when it comes to graphics. That's my two cents at least. I don't think SL will ever be in the same league as CryEngine- the user generated content (particularly the really bad builds) bring it down. That said, you're right about everything else. If you want to play in a modern 3D world, you gotta get modern hardware to do it.

Freya Mokusei wrote: Same reason Crysis doesn't work on Windows 98. SL viewer 1's old hat. :matte-motes-sunglasses-1: That says it better than anything else. It's old, outdated technology. Not used anymore.

zzyzxroad wrote: Secondlife residents should not "HAVE" to get used to a ui and features tehy clearly do not like. Linden Lab should accomodate tehir customers, not vice versus. So far secondlife residents have overwhelmingly voiced their thought by their choice of viwers. currenly 60-70% Phoenix, 15% Firestorm, 15% V2.x and a few V1.23, singularity, etc. I am not sure what serviwe side features are rumored to be eliminated, but current v2 'features' such as web based profiles are a problem for many users with modest computers. SecondLife has a technical savy and engaged user base that Linden Labs has repeatedly ignored and offended with development of v2. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. When software gets old, it gets phased out. Same thing with hardware. After a while, it doesn't matter what you want- it simply won't work anymore, and it's time to upgrade. If you computer can't run the latest software that you want to run... Time for a new computer. Or at least an upgrade. And really, it's not just computers, it's everything in the world. Cars, clothes, homes, tools, TV's... Computers are just faster about doing it.

Ishtara Rothschild wrote: Never buy attachments without modify permission. +1 for mod perms. Sounds like the creator put some bad scripts in there. I'd get a new one/updated version.

So if you don't need or want my help, why'd you complain that my post wasn't helpful? Clearly there IS something wrong with your system, if you're getting 5 FPS, but if you get better FPS with another viewer, just use another viewer? I'm not really seeing the issue, I guess.

Play SL? Sure. I just logged in with a username and password, loaded up a 3D character, walked around with the WASD keys, chatted in local chat, teleported around a bit, attached a sword to my hand, then logged out. I can do EXACTLY that in World of Warcraft, which you've already stated is a game. You're still not making an argument. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking you or flat out telling you you're wrong. I'm just asking you for some supporting evidence to your opinion that WoW is a game when SL is not. Simply saying "It isn't a game because I say so and that's fact" is the kind of thing a six year old would say. You're clearly not 6. Offer up some supporting evidence.

So all you've done so far is say that your opinion is fact, and that WoW and SL are both operating systems.. But not what makes SL NOT a game when WoW is. Either they're the same or they're not. Which is it?

Dogboat Taurog wrote: Peggy Paperdoll wrote: Operating system? Oh boy...............Dogboat don't say such stupid things. You don't know what an operating system is........and it ain't SL. I got to go pee now...............that was so funny. :matte-motes-big-grin: see above, im probably more qualified in IT than you will ever be. from the wiki: A distributed operating system manages a group of independent computers and makes them appear to be a single computer. The development of networked computers that could be linked and communicate with each other, gave rise to distributed computing. Distributed computations are carried out on more than one machine. When computers in a group work in cooperation, they make a distributed system. Well see, now you're talking about SL's server software and network... That's a different conversation entirely. Although if we're using that as our definition, frickin' World of Warcraft is a operating system.

Dogboat Taurog wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: I think the confusion cropping up is when you combine the word "play" with "game". You can't use those words together when talking about SL, unless you're playing a game within it. However, you CAN use the word "game" for SL for the same reason an MMO is called a "game". It's a virtual world. It's not real. Yes, you can have real experiences and real interactions and real relationships in Second Life... But you can do that in any MMO. So while SL is not a game that you play, it can still fall under the category of online world... Traditionally called an online game. What you do once you log in and how seriously you take it (sometimes to unhealthy levels) is up to the individual. the traditional view of online game does not apply to SL - it isn't an online game. its really rather simple and there is no confusion, SL isnt a game and its not played. think of it like a PC, you can play games on it but it doesnt mean every one does. Your third sentence could be made into a compelling argument. Your second sentence is opinion, just like mine, and we're both entitled. Your first sentence does make me ask- how is SL not an online game? I'm curious what makes you reach that conclusion. wiki describes SL as a virtual world. i and many others dont "play" SL. therefore SL isn't a game. its not an opinion, its a fact. SL ts an operating system. Wow, really? Normally I can agree with a lot of what you post in these forums Dog, but that was a little bit ridiculous. Just because you and a lot of other people don't "play" something, that doesn't make it not a game. If you don't play basketball, is it suddenly not a game? And yes... You just confused "fact" and "opinion" big time, there. Same thing with Operating System. Windows an Operating System. Linux is an Operating System. SL has very little in common with an operating system. Edit: If Second Life were an operating system, it wouldn't have to run on an... wait for it... operating system. If it were self booting and didn't require an operating system to run, then it COULD be an operating system.

I never claimed it was well made. This is easily the buggiest, most poorly designed software I've ever used. That doesn't mean you can't tweak it, or your system, to handle it better.

Dogboat Taurog wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: I think the confusion cropping up is when you combine the word "play" with "game". You can't use those words together when talking about SL, unless you're playing a game within it. However, you CAN use the word "game" for SL for the same reason an MMO is called a "game". It's a virtual world. It's not real. Yes, you can have real experiences and real interactions and real relationships in Second Life... But you can do that in any MMO. So while SL is not a game that you play, it can still fall under the category of online world... Traditionally called an online game. What you do once you log in and how seriously you take it (sometimes to unhealthy levels) is up to the individual. the traditional view of online game does not apply to SL - it isn't an online game. its really rather simple and there is no confusion, SL isnt a game and its not played. think of it like a PC, you can play games on it but it doesnt mean every one does. Your third sentence could be made into a compelling argument. Your second sentence is opinion, just like mine, and we're both entitled. Your first sentence does make me ask- how is SL not an online game? I'm curious what makes you reach that conclusion.

I think the confusion cropping up is when you combine the word "play" with "game". You can't use those words together when talking about SL, unless you're playing a game within it. However, you CAN use the word "game" for SL for the same reason an MMO is called a "game". It's a virtual world. It's not real. Yes, you can have real experiences and real interactions and real relationships in Second Life... But you can do that in any MMO. So while SL is not a game that you play, it can still fall under the category of online world... Traditionally called an online game. What you do once you log in and how seriously you take it (sometimes to unhealthy levels) is up to the individual.

You've offered no technical details or system specs. Seemed more like you were just saying V2 doesn't run well. I was offering evidence that it can, depending on your system and your settings. If you want helpful feedback, post your system specs and some of your settings, maybe we can figure out why your system is having so much trouble with it.

No, that's an exaggeration. It's closer to 50k than 100k. But the point remains.

That's actually a really good question. You can't just make it and then say "it's this big and this many prims, if you make it bigger it'll be primmier", because as you say, some merchants are going to make stuff ridiculously small to make the count lower. LL may have to offer some sort of system or allow merchandise to be flagged in those cases?