Pussycat Catnap

Innula Zenovka wrote: The fact that at least half the major skin-sellers have their HQ shops on G-rated land, and always have done, tells me that LL doesn't, in practice, object to the sale of anatomically correct skins on G-rated land, whatever those employees of LL who run the marketplace do or don't do. Their choice of venue certainly restricts how they may advertise and display their products -- again, I know that is enforced -- but doesn't, it seems to me, restrict what they may sell. The current ToS did not always exist. And when its changed in past, people who did not change with it have been punished. It just takes an AR to have it happen. When I found my favorite skin shop moving to G land, rather than AR, I sent them a note about it and a week later their land had changed its rating to M... So they're safe from a jealous competitor now... Which is likely who will shoot off the first AR when and if this all ever plays out.

Amethyst Jetaime wrote: Even people that love mesh still wear system clothes. System clothing won't become obsolete for a very long time if at all.. If you wear a mesh jacket it is hard to find a mesh shirt or sometimes even a skirt that you can wear under it without sticking through. It is almost impossible to find underwear to fit under mesh clothes. So people wear combinations of mesh and system clothing. One final thing, is that not everyone can see mesh clothing because their older viewer doesn't render it properly or their computers don't or sometimes both. This number is down to about 3.25% now, as posted on the nwn blog I believe. At this point, essentially, everyone can see mesh. The remaining 3.25%, statistically: no longer matter. If that's someone reading this, sorry, but you're now a numerical non-factor. I wear mesh skirts and shirts under mesh blouses and jackets all the time. Easy to find. I've even got one bikini that works as underwear to wear under if so desired. And the standard sizes go up all the way into the 'obese' range - so the note about belly size and body fat is just from someone who has not bothered to look. If you've worked in 3D art, you will know that the coming deformer based clothing is going to look MUCH WORSE than what we have now... the simple question is: when deforming, what about the buttons. If you know 3D art enough to know what that means, you'll quickly see its a mathematical impossibility to solve the issue, and deformer clothing is going to be a mess. - So the stuff now is as good as it will get 'dimensionally'. Texture mapping might improve if they add things for that... but that's going to effect everything. I regularly buy mesh in the 100-200L range for an item. Only a few places are expensive, and of those, only one: coldLogic, lives up to its price. People who are wearing small from one shop and large from another may not have taken the time to learn which dials are effected by mesh - this information has been documented in many places. My blog among them. Look at the mesh articles I have on the top right side links list, everyone one needs to know is in those or linked from them. - In my other post in the other question this person asked, I also covered that, as well as the reason many shops do not fit 'Standard Sizes' - I did everything but name the person who is pushing the other size system... They do good work, but their failure to document their numbers means their templates need to be approached with caution (that said, of the major templae makers - each has a different level of skill in rigging, and this person is not good with rigging leg bends. The largest standard sizes template maker though, does that perfectly).

Innula Zenovka wrote: Pussycat Catnap wrote: The "I wouldn't really worry" argument won't go over well when somebody gets banned for violating a TOS. Patches like that for those MMOs - when found, result in deleted accounts. It would appear, though, that normal skins have been available to teen accounts since the merger of the teen, and sold in G-rated lands and, one must assume, worn by teens. Do we know about any vendors being returned to the merchants, or merchants being told to re-rate their land, or anything that would suggest LL are at all concerned about this? My shape in my shop was disabled because I rated it as M. So I shanged the MP image to not show nudity. My skins were at one point because I had them at G, so I've moved them to M or A. My note on patches was in reply to the comment that 'planty of games have nudity patches' that mentioned WoW - and people lose accounts over hacking the graphics of that. What should also have been said is just because something is done in one game does not mean it applies to what will happen in another "game."

See my post in your other thread about items popping through. It is very worth it to make yourself able to wear mesh. The difference is like the difference betweein getting a can of spray paint and painting colors on yourself, then going outside, versus going into your wardrobe and finding a nice blouse to wear...

Always look for information to tell you these bits of information: Is the item sculpty, mesh, or "system clothes" / painted on clothing? 'system' / painted on clothing, aka old clothing, texture based clothing, normal, or whatever people might call it... sometimes just clothing... will anyone of any shape. But tends to look like body paint on a nude person... Because that is exactly what it is. Nevertheless its still very popular as it was the only choice for many years. Sculpty items can have decently moderate detail, but are solid pieces. You can only stretch them or shrink them. And only as a whole unless you grab single individual 'pieces' of them and shrink or grow those. But these are like wearing solid plastic sculptures on your body - they will not bend when you move, so it is very common for them to poke through during animation. Mesh items can have from poor detail to photoreal detail. Quality of the 3D modeler's skills and the skills of the person who textured them. They come as rigged and unrigged. Most clothing is rigged. If unrigged they behave exactly the same as sculpty does - right down to popping in and out when animated. If rigged they will move and bend with the body - but only as well as the maker of the 3D model "rigged" them (a process where they tell them where to bend when a part of the body bends - its common on low quality mesh for this to be a little off causing them to seem to rip or tear). Well made mesh will flow perfectly with the body. Mesh automatically changes its size in "some" dimensions to fit the person wearing it - things like height / length / width mostly. But do not for others - like body fat or muscle. This has to do with rigging. If the part of the shape would change where a rig point is - the mesh can understand that and resize to fit. If not, the mesh has no idea the shape has changed. Mesh items are all built to fit someone's particular shape. If you do not match that shape in the parts that are not rigged, it will pop through. To help this mesh pop through, designers have come up with two things: alpha maps and sizing programs. Alpha maps make parts of your body insivible so they won't show when they pop through. Even when a mesh item fits 100%, wearing the maps helps you animate better when moving fast like dancing, or extreme like curling up on a sofa. Sizing programs are meant to let you know what dials have what settings on shapes, so you can pick a size close to yours and adjust a copy of your shape to be exact. The most popular sizing program is called the "Standard Sizes". - It is almost the only sizing program, but at least one popular maker of mesh items has chosen not to follow it, leaving one second option out there... (this maker makes items that other people "texture" or color, and then sell. Templates... so while only one maker has refused to go along, her stuff is sold in many shops). To make it more complex, this one maker has not publicly given us the numbers she does use... And her "kits" for shops are the lowest priced ones available, so they are common enough... - I recommend everyone have three shapes... 1. Their personal favorite body dimensions. 2. A copy of that set to one of the numbers for the standard sizes. 3. A copy designed to fit the above maker, made from guessing and looking for pop through... If you have 1 and 2, and then buy only mesh clothing in the "standard sizes", almost all of the headaches of fitting clothing will vanish for you. - But this not always possible as there is still a lot of great stuff only made in sculpty form. But there's no reason to ever be buying texture-map old style clothes anymore... It looks dated, because it is... and it makes a person look like someone who has a computer that cannot run the current versions of Second Life.

The "I wouldn't really worry" argument won't go over well when somebody gets banned for violating a TOS. Patches like that for those MMOs - when found, result in deleted accounts. You're making a "its morally ok" argument against the rules. That's not really a winning stance to take unless you can make it out as "it is morally repugnant to not do this" (a civil rights style argument) - which just isn't the case here. And even then its an argument to demand a policy change, not one to clarify what policy is.

Calamari wrote: I get your point about the land impact count changing with mesh, and I do like my trees to be modifable, but knowing the land impact count is one of the first things I and many other people in SL look at. I would recomend listing the base count of the tree as it is when delivered and then make a note about the count going up as you increase it's size and list the count at 1 or 2 larger sizes. I very often sort marketplace by LI when browsing for things I will rez rather than wear. Trees? I want to know what the default LI will be, per rezzing of one of them, and how big it is (how tall for instance). People that don't list their LI, I will skip over unless and until I fail to find what I want in the places that did list it.

One sim east of my water lot (see my picks - in Claret) which is south of Blake Sea, they recently added a chain of islands on the east side of that sim (and those near it above and below) into what was open sailing sea. But this isn't like what the posts above described. However it may be what he meant to refer to. Far as I know nobody's pannicked and moved out as a result - though it was annoying to lose the "endless water" view. I'm still a little house boat on the water, nobody's given me a reverse-Noah-beaching.

Innula Zenovka wrote: There's certainly plenty of skin stores on G land. There are plenty - but if you read the ToS on it, there's no carve out for them. And their images are in direct violation where they don't cover those parts up. Blondin said a "lot of stuff" which was often later contradicted, though some of it did eventually get codified into the ToS in one form or another. I would advise against relying on the things he said to get the people in those meeting to stop using them for flame wars. The vast bulk of all of those meanings was just a screamfest... and his answers could be read as popping pacifiers into people's mouths... Quite often the meetings would end at the point where he'd give up and just go chat-AFK on people until everyone TP'd out or he faked a DC... Look to the ToS and EULAs, and no further.

These templates are FREE and legal: https://sites.google.com/site/another/resources - and they form the basis of what's underneath the vast majority of pre-2010 or so skins sold in SL.

solstyse wrote: For example. Oriental shapes tend to have relatively small noses. If they're realistic, the eyes tend to be a bit smaller than usual too. Having lived in Asia, Korea to be exact - I'd say the eyes tend to be noticeably larger, and different shaped. It was very common for people there to refer to the Caucasian expats you'd see with polite versions of 'beady eyed'. Rounder faces of many people can offset the larger eyes and make them seem smaller. Noses are often wider and flatter (so smaller in profile, but larger from a frontal view). Much as with Africans. But there is variety and you can easily also find people with thinner noses - especially if they know plastic surgeons...

This has been a frustration point for me. Going to plenty of skin shops with 'full view' ads, on G rated sims. - and knowing I could be AR'd if I tried the demo they offer up... But these are the listing guidelines for SL, not for the products themselves save for that note about 'the inworld item' on skins that are G. M and A skin listings can be of the same product - the difference being the listing itself on marketplace. A 'no-nudity' listing that when purchased delivers a skin with anatomy is M. A nude listing that delivers a skin with anatomy is A. Inworld... skins sold on G land need to be of G content. At the southeastern tip of the sim Torch there is a mall facing out onto 2 G rated water sims. At the sim corner - a series of giant nude ads facing out to G land... AR'd it almost a year ago... still there. - So I guess its ok to display nudity towards G-rated areas, as long as you stand on the other side of the sim border... It'll both rez and be purchaseable from across that border... As it gets harder to find actual G-skins, you could either look in shops for child-AVs (which I seriously hope use G-rated skins), or go furry. Almost every furry avatar comes with a G skin. Many only with G skins. But most are sold on A or M rated land... - Still, can often buy them on Marketplace. (Of course that's probably not at all what the OP wants... its a big identity change too after all.)

Theresa Tennyson wrote: Knowl Paine wrote: As an avid Map viewer, words cannot fully express the pain, of hundreds of unspoken voices, whose former places of residence in SL, were on a Mainland Shoreline. Yeah, in RL people just have their kids get shot. Unrelated is unrelated...

MariaLag wrote: Hi. After reading all the posts and links ,I still don't know why I'm flagged as A. Could you see something that I am not seeing? Thanks I don't see any legitimate reason - to me it looks like you should be rated as G. So I'm going to guess at a few things that could be, but shouldn't be... As in, if they messed up, these might be the things they judged wrong about you. "pedidos" - the filter, which is likely English, may be just flagging on 'pedi'. "Brazilian" - People in SL have some crazy opinions on your countrymen having to do with claims of innapropriate conduct. It would be wrong for LL to flag any self-labeling "Brazilian" as A-rated... but I've seen plenty of SL users who seem to think that should be the case. I do not believe this is it, because if it was, that would be very upsetting to learn. "Gentileza" - when I first read that I read it as 'genitaleza'. If the flag was human placed and not with software... maybe they just need to pay attention to what they're reading... Your group: "Eliz Watanabe's Friends" - is G rated, but has a photo that may be M rated, and someone not looking enough might see as A. Still the group itself is G, so this shouldn't have been the reason. Hide this one from your profile and see if it helps. Check all your groups and picks to see if any of them are rated as A. If they are, hide them from view in your profile. They all looked good to me, but its always a possibility. My own opinion is, nice profile. You've got a lot of things in there that have got me curious now. Lots of music places I'd love to learn more about. I see no reason why you'd get labeled as A. I'm thinking its a mistake... Maybe fixable with a support ticket... or you might have to wipe out your profile and put it back one by one until one of them causes it to change and you know what did it, if not why...

Search turns up no thread entitled "Mapping the Mainland". I'm very confused about what's going on here.

Faye Feldragonne wrote: SL logged into my account to help me last summer, but it was done this way. 1. They sent me an email asking for that authorization. 2. They told me when they'd used it. 3. When they were done, they sent me another email. So those pics of you at that place on Zindra with all those furries... that wasn't you? :matte-motes-silly:

As a long term neko in SL, you're pretty much out of luck on this one. I get by with careful choice of hair or hats that cover the spot. NO matter what you try there will be a small gap there, or a mini-ear. While difficult, you could make a covering. Use an alpha map to get rid of it, and a prim or mesh to cover the spot, textured to match your skin.

Czari Zenovka wrote: Pussycat Catnap wrote: A 300-500 laptop can run SL just fine in medium settings. Many places will let one get that on credit / financed. And its been normal for a long time now that a computer really won't last more than 3-5 years. This is a prime reason to never buy the top end model. People with normal incomes should settle for mid-range. People on rough times can get by with careful choice of lower end systems. This is, in the modern era, a bit like owning a car: you can get by an a 20-year old junker, but its not wise, and it is a vital necessity in modern society. . . . a basic computer, chosen wisely, can make that 5 year gap on a small budget. Ah but you're forgetting a segment of the SL population that may be larger than you think - people living on disability who are not able to work, thus retraining to something that better pays the bills is out. I will also add in here people who have lost their jobs during the recession and either have not been able to secure another one yet (not talking about people here who aren't diligently looking) or who are under-employed to the point they are just making ends meet. Many of those people have already cut down to bare bone necessities. As for one should not be in SL if she cannot afford a new PC, virtual worlds are a lifeline to many shut-ins who can do online what is now impossible in RL. You make an interesting point about purchasing a mid-range PC. My thinking has been that by purchasing the best PC one can afford it will last longer, but I've been rethinking this and wondering if it's better to purchase less expensive PCs more often considering the hyperjumps in technology. I'm glad you mentioned that and would enjoy hearing types of PCs (ie. basic stats) that are mid-range but would still run the V3 viewer on higher than 64m draw distance. I don't mean what I say to be cruel. But as a reality check. I recognize these things are lifelines to many. But technology won't stop for that. Thus my note about the mid-range low priced PC. I grew up in a ghetto, and I've had rough periods. I know about limited incomes. I recognize the face of that person digging through a trashcan for some hipster's castoff: its my younger self. I bought my last PC in the middle of a multi-year span of unemployment. It was rough - but I knew that in this modern era, that is a vital device. Before 1996 a PC was a luxary. Even by 2000 many people could still say that. Today - its a basic household appliance needed to function. So I looked for one from a good brand with a low price. In the past, I have bought top end machines. Their lifespan is often not any longer than the mid ranger, they're just more powerful during that time. But often this power is wasted nicety on all but extreme users. My 2009 $350 Toshiba laptop can get about 20 fps in SL on low-mid settings... and its nearing the end of its viable for modern tech lifespan. In a year I would shopping again - if things had not improved for me. But I have an Apple desktop now, so I won't need a laptop unless I feel the need to be mobile again. (Even on a nicer machine, I often keep draw distance down to 64m btw - just to be able to have more control over my visual experience. In a bit of reverse logic, I only go up high when racing along in vehicles - to preload as much of what's ahead as I can. Usually I range from 64 to 128 with particles off or at minimum. Upping things only in screenshots.)

GothGirl Demonia wrote: Second Life is done for, in my eyes its dead as a simulator, or game the only people really still playing are addicts and a ton of alts/their friends really at least this is the way I see it. Lots of people are leaving lots of my friends have left Second Life because of how bad it is, bad decisions made by Linden Lab, and reasons like griefers. kthxbye Can I haz UR lootz? DJQuad Radio wrote: The fad is over and has been for several years. Cut your losses and move on. I did that a year ago after running a very sucessful estate company, and haven't looked back since. Unfortunately I have yet to run a very successful estate company. So I'm not allowed to leave yet.

Syo's point rings here as well. If you are trying to pick the link with which to hook into SL's social scene - content creator is not it. You need something which is indicative of social. That some merchants or creators are social is great. But its not indicative of them. I do feel that the common trait for them might be 'less social - but even if I am wrong, I am still right... Being social is -not- an indicative trait for the creator or merchant scenes, regardless of its opposite being one or not. I would say club owners are not it either though. They're a very unusual bunch. A pack of people dedicated to losing as much money as fast as they can, and in finding out how to hurt their wallets the most for as little reward as they can possibly derive from it - it takes an unusual brand of person to -stay- in the SL club business. You need a motivation that sticks like the NRA on a politican, or a pink poodle in a socialite's handbag... Most people just aren't that nuts. Even in SL. You really do -not- want to be narrowing down to one scene or you are failing to analyze cultures... and just getting 'one culture.' A sample size of 1 does not make a trend... -IF- you must say "from these kinds of residents" then you need to socialite types. You need to hit the clubs, shops, infohubs, hangouts, and so on... listen to chat... and start bugging anyone who's active... - of course some of them will get nasty or AR you for hassling them... which is one lesson about SL culture itself... And none of this will give you an accurate picture. The only way to do that is to be a resident yourself. Not just somebody holding onto a dead account from almost 4 years ago... but an actual member of the active community. You need to be beyond just embedded... you need to actually get in here and join SL. Not make an account, but join.

"Not" politicizing something is by its nature politicizing. It is a way of saying that what many feel should be done is not right. Silence is never the answer to crisis or tragedy, and least of all, to villainy. This is exactly the right time to get hyper-political about it, and force all of those "leaders" to come to solutions before they can move on to some other issue. For me, of late, this is the song that has been in mind in regards to this. A call for action and change. World Cry - Sizzla Kalongi Singing in 2011 about stopping all the killing of the children in gun violence, and the need for togetherness in Jah's love. "World cry and the children die, they spend the money on the wars and the lies." "World cry and the children die, and the parents been asking why?" "World cry and the children die, they spend the money on the drugs and the lies." I understand that some feel a need to pause in lamentation and ask how or why. But before our leaders can sneak off again with no answers, we need to keep attention on it and get some meaningful change out of them. It should be less about making us feel better, and more about making sure the next children are not gunned down.

Perrie Juran wrote: Qie Niangao wrote: It's worrisome that so many have doubted this story and offered remedies for a compromised account and through all that not a single poster has berated the OP for missing a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to engage in BDSM with a Linden. Well sometimes dealing with Linden Lab can feel like having a BDSM experience all on its own. So um... Can one of you please remind me what the safe word was?

16 wrote: i think is better to have a system that encourage single issue parties (fringe if you like) to participate in the elective process is a true measure of their mandate. so when they claim to have one then everyone says: well put it to the test and stand in the election get support from the people and you can go to the Parliament and represent the mandate given you. like cant claim a mandate. has to be given to you The existence of fringe parties is healthy for a Republic. But low participation - low voter turnout among the citizenry, is dangerous in that it allows dangerous fringe parties like the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or the Tea Party to sweep into power and create toxic conditions. Higher voter turnout means it requires your message appeal to a larger percentage in order to make it through. This is usually a good thing. Unless the majority has genocidal notions, as seen in 18th and 19th century USA, or in modern day Sri Lanka's Sinhala versus Tamil conflict... - Thus the need for a -strong- central government that upholds rights and justice above 'liberty'. Liberty can often just mean that those with power will trample those without. Contrast the 'Indian Wars' against the Civil Rights movement. In both situations, the Supreme Court often (but not always) backed the victim - Indians and Blacks. But the court of old lacked the power to get its ruling adhered to. If Jackson had been as noble as Eisenhower, and sent in federal troops to back the Court, my ancestors would never have walked the Trail of Tears. Thus the mixed bag... High voter turnout can lock out extremism, but it can also lead to the tyranny of the majority. Thus the system of divided powers / checks and balances of the US. But even that, as history shows, has dramatically failed at times.

leliel Mirihi wrote: I wrote that in another thread a few weeks ago. It's nice to see that the reality distortion field is still in full force three years later. People still try to split hairs on that one and pretend it was just the one dev, and only at the very last final moment. But yeah - there was almost a year long process of red flags going up. Some of us got burned pretty hard by people who defended that team... and the conveniently pretend nothing happened until that moment... It says a lot about character and integrity when folks are willing to defend wrongful conduct merely because its good for them. For me, it began when I asked a simple question about how something worked, and got in reply what looked like a hate-mail, rather than a simple "a does b resulting in c"... - That told me rational heads were not driving the bus... and as I watched that pattern got repeated with more and more folks, and a number of strange things began to emerge regarding people's privacy and 'god complexes'... Things were done, at the end, that people in other industries are serving prison time for doing... Denial of Service attacks -ARE- "serious business". Something folks should take stock of before defending anything about Emerald and its team. Phoenix is not Emerald... and its team claims to be a clean break. Many have chosen to trust that. I've seen some good from them - but Emerald should still serve as a reminder that blind trust is never a good idea. This applies for -ANY- TPV though. As for LLs, well they have all our info and L$'s anyway - if they wanted to screw us over, we'd simply be screwed... But they're not likely to do anything criminal - regulations keep that mostly in check.

Amethyst Jetaime wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: Now if only there were a way to get people to update their computer hardware, too. Marie Antoinette, climb down from your Ivory Tower and look around at the state of the economy. Not everyone can afford to run out and spend even a few hundred on a new computer. Luckily there are still going to be TPV around to accommodate most of them. A 300-500 laptop can run SL just fine in medium settings. Many places will let one get that on credit / financed. Technology goes one way: ------------------> And its been normal for a long time now that a computer really won't last more than 3-5 years. This is a prime reason to never buy the top end model. People with normal incomes should settle for mid-range. People on rough times can get by with careful choice of lower end systems. This is, in the modern era, a bit like owning a car: you can get by an a 20-year old junker, but its not wise, and it is a vital necessity in modern society. If one cuts down some of the texting on the cellhphone(s), drops cable TV (which is obsolete anyway), puts off the tablets, and adopts a plan - a basic computer, chosen wisely, can make that 5 year gap on a small budget. You don't need all the devices and toys to be functional today, but keeping one computer per household within that 3-5 year window pretty much has become a necessity. If you can't afford that machine, you probably shouldn't be in SL - its not a webpage, its a bit higher end than that. But not by much frankly... At a minimus, you should be at your local community college getting retrained to something that better pays the bills.