wherorangi

i think that to advance your requests then you should also request that you pay tiers on your MP store, or alternatively a 35% sales commission to LL with a minimum payment of 30L per item am pretty sure that will get LL's attention

i think the first thing is for you to decide what it is that you think the investor can do for you, apart from give you money so that one day hopefully you can give them more money back when can answer this then a investor might listen to your proposal

when something feels bad then stop doing it for sure can be a bit trite this advice but is no other way really

mikka Luik wrote: You have my vote on the strength of I want a Potato Dali plus use of the word venal. Where do I put my X to ensure you are running the place =^^= is that X for yes, or X for no ?? jejejeje (: + either way am not sure would be a good idea if was the boss of SL at this time. The stockholders wouldnt like it at all. I spend all the revenues on the residents and staff, and the stockholders end up with nothing, except come to the meetings where I bestow my best smile on them like a blessing, and they will just have to be happy with that (: so i think will be best if one day when I got like a spare 600 million dollars, I will buy SL off them. They can keep all the other stuff. And then I will be the Governor Linden (altho I probably change the name to Elizabeth, Princess of Linden, Queen of SL, Empress of Everything. Some name like that I think, a little bit less grand sounding than Governor. bc I think is best to be modest) and each year I will have a Grand Progress inworld which goes on for like months each year. And all my subjects will like come and go oh! wow! you so amazing good for us your loyal subjects, bc I will give them like pretty much whatever their heart desire, so they will be happy as. And I will be pretty modest about that as well. Not like get all stuck up or anything like that (:

Rhonda Huntress wrote: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? I missed a few posts and tried to catch up but things are looking rather surreal. I'll just show myself out again. /me slowly walks backwards towards the door.. come back !! (: i hadnt finished telling about the cat what was distracted by the butterfly. Not about the butterfly what apparently got a bit traumatised being the attention of the distracted cat, but did managed to overcome the trauma by doing some yoga after the cat just like fell over and went to sleep. One minute the cat was try to bat the butterfly with their little paws and next minute just like fell over and zzzzzz! So that worked out ok for the butterfly. So not about the butterfly, about the distracted cat the distracted cat never got lost at all, which I never knew before until now, bc I never finished reading the story myself either until now the distracted cat was just having a really long nap apparently. bc they are a long cat, not like a short cat which has short naps. Sometimes apparently the long cat head wakes up first and by the time their tail wakes up then their head has gone back to sleep again. So end asleep for ages and ages. Which anybody what has a long cat can tell you all about. Like they just stretch out on the floor anywheres they like most of the time, with one end in one room and the other nearly in the next room. And their eyes open for a bit and then close again and then their tail wiggles a bit and zzzzzz!! again anyways seems the distracted cat managed to stop their head from fall asleep while waiting for their tail to wake up. So they just went home by themself. And the cat lady wasnt sad anymore. And the distracted cat saw the now not flea-bitten anymore cat and went. o.m.g !! is you ! my sister. oh! wow! this is so wonderful. And they both start to hug and go miau miau all happy as. Then they snuggle up all purring and that, and have another sleep. Turns out that the venal cafe owner separated them at birth, bc they just a horrible person, as we know already !! so was a really happy ending for everybody, except for the venal people. And is all bc of Mr Dali, who once drew some simple lines on a napkin in a cafe, and this whole story was told in the lines (:

i would suggest waiting for the new Bento avatar rig that LL are developing. Is curently in the last stage of testing/tuning and should be available sometime in the next couple of months most of the current mesh body makers are involved in the Bento development, as are many who already make fitted mesh clothes and accessories. As soon as Bento goes live inworld then am pretty sure the shops will be full of new stuff specific made for the new Bento mesh bodies so if money is a concern then best to wait a bit, or may end up buying two whole new wardrobes instead of one

q; (:

Theresa Tennyson wrote: Incidentally, that region is an M-rated region that also contains a landscaping store, but it's directly attached to an "A" rated region that specifically sells sexual items. Are you sure you didn't "wander" across the border into the "A" rated region? yes. and yes I think is pretty popular that beach. Is a kinda hookup place where people go to chat and well, hookup. Dot wise the M sim is always pretty full. And hardly any dots on the A sim next door, like almost zero. Except for the odd wanderer who has never been to that beach before

maybe but if the cat lady comes searching for her lost 746th cat which went out one day and got distracted by a butterfly and not been seen since. Then the cat lady will see the flea-bitten cat and she will go: oh! you poor wee thing, you better come home with me. And the cat will go miau miau like really happy, and so will be all good except for the venal cafe owner who is not happy at all. Like they dont have even any waiter anymore bc he went mental (the waiter) and ran away to the forest and doesnt do anything anymore hardly ever. Except just runs round and round this tree going dali dali dali. Which sounds a bit like he wants his fav curry when you squint your ears. Which some people maybe think he is meaning bc they dunno the back story, and dunno that he is actual gone mental. bc when he do stopping running round and round the tree to catch his breath, then he seems pretty normal to look at and will be really bad for the venal cafe owner when the cat lady takes the flea-bitten cat bc he (the cafe owner) wont have anything to eat. bc all he had left to eat was the fleas on the cat. And now with no cat to catch fleas for him to eat, then he most likely have to eat the waiter, if he can find him. Which will be really bad for the waiter, and he wont be happy either if the cafe owner catches him and Mr Dali wont know anything about this at all. Like what is happen to the cafe owner, and the cats, and what is maybe going to happen to the waiter. bc like you say Mr Dali left that town ages and ages ago with his friends, and they now having lunch every day in this other cafe in this other town and the only thing that will be different (apart from the mental waiter maybe getting eaten by the venal cafe owner, and also apart from the now happy not flea-bitten anymore cat living with the cat lady, and also apart from the cat which got distracted by the butterfly and is still lost which is quite pretty sad) So like apart from all that, the only thing different will be that Mr Dali now brings his own napkins to the cafe just so that nobody can trick him ever again. But also as well by bring his own napkins, even tho he doesnt know it, he will have saved the new town he is now in, from getting like total destroyed and ruined like the other town. Assuming that the waiter in the new cafe in the new town, is maybe the twin of the now mental waiter from the other town, and just as venal. Or worse even

on the contrary contrary if the friend of Mr Dali is wealthy then he will feel bad for his friend, and he will open a cafe across the road. And he will put a ginornous sign which nobody will miss, which says: "Salvador Dali is here, and not over there. So come over here ok". And all the people will go: ok. and they come over here and not over there and the venal cafe owner and the even more venal waiter will be all by themselves and get no customers, except for griefers who will just go over there and not over here, and order heaps of free water and drink them really fast, and then complain loudly about the service bc the venal waiter won't be able to keep up and if the cafe owner then goes: ok no more free water, you has to pay now. The griefers will go ok thats fair. Can we have a menu please. And then they will ask the venal waiter all about every dish on the menu, and what they recommend and then umm! ahh! ummm! dunno, can you tell us about the first one on the menu again please. And the waiter will end up go mental

if you mean that you signed in on the website and picked your new avatar and are now wondering what next ? SL is not played on a website like some other games. Need to download and install the SL viewer and then login and play on that can download the SL viewer here: http://secondlife.com/support/downloads/

Bobbie Faulds wrote: I actually have one on my working platform. It has a 20 meter range set and you get 10 seconds to leave or get booted; 10 secons should be plenty. Mind you my platform is at 2K up so no reason for anyone to really be up there. correct and agree. Is situational is absolutely no reason at all for anyone to be flying round in skybox territory + sometimes a person can show up bc they have a LM to the previous owner/tenant's place. But they werent going to stay anyways. So whether they leave in 0 or 10 or whichever is no biggie. For sure some people get miffed when they get summarily booted in these situations, but I think is yanno really

i think that as travellers then we should set up our own parcels the way we would like to be treated ourselves. Lead by example I think when I do have a mainland then is always next to a public right-of-way, set up so that: no banline, scripts and object entry on, rez on, auto return 15 mins. And is always 30 LI spare out of my 117 for anyone who wants to rez a vehicle. The 30 LI spare I use to rez stuff I might get for myself anyways as well. So is not a biggie this for me + when I am home myself then I always have parcel visibility off, and if getting nekkid trying on skins and that, then my banline goes up as well. Altho I divide my parcel so that my dressing room area is 8x8 with a posestand in the middle and just banline that to see me nekkid then a traveller has to be over my 8x8 and stopped and gawking. If they do stop then I will shoot them no worries (:

Phil Deakins wrote: You could claim that Dali was dabbling a bit in 'cubism' when he drew the box The waiter wouldn't have ended up in jail because he'd have asked the manager/owner if s/he could have a napkin - please. That would have covered it. like he was in his primitive period. jejjeje (: + it might of covered it but I think that Mr Dali and his friend be standing there also. The cafe owner would then have to weigh up what is more important to them. The continued custom of Mr Dali and his circle of his friends, and the subsequent attraction of others to their cafe as a consequence of Mr Dali's continued custom, or the venality of their waiter staff member if the owner of the cafe chose the venality, then am pretty sure the publicity would be such that people would stop coming to their cafe, and the livelihood of the cafe owner would then be at risk

yes is defo a lot of mixing of the two principles. Most jurisdictions have a mixture of both. Is just that as generational time goes by, then what changes are made are more toward the proscriptive side a lessening of any requirement to get permission from the others that make up our community/country to do what it is we want, provided that doing what we want does not cause harm to others basically, with freedom to do as we please comes responsibility. Which when we take on ourselves the responsibility along with the freedom, then this leads to a lessening of prescriptive measures (by law) to regulate harmful behaviour. The more responsibility we take onto ourselves then the less harm we do the outcome of this leads ultimately to no need for law at all. Freedom absolute + if we take the responsibility of freedom, and also accept the requisite obligation to do no harm that flows from this, then we would not shoot anyone who is crossing our SL water or land or sky, even tho it is in our power to do so while at the same time, is in our power and a exercise of our freedom and responsibility, and is ok to do, to shoot those who would do us actual harm. Like a griefer for example simply treating everyone on our SL property as if they are a griefer and shooting them out of hand is irresponsible. Irresponsible in the sense that we dont bother to take responsibility to identify our targets before unloading our weps on them. A such is antethical to freedom antethical in this sense meaning that freedom and responsibility are mutually inclusive. That while we are irresponsible then we can never be absolutely free

Phil Deakins wrote: wherorangi wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: I'm sure I've heard that story before, or one pretty much the same. The waiter could have taken the napkin for free, anyway, as it belonged to the cafe and not to Salvador Dali yes lol (: the waiter could have tried. But the artist could have then set fire to the napkin destroying their work, and then settled with the cafe owner for the price of a napkin the other person could then of bought their napkin from the cafe owner, and then tried selling it for a profit on ebay, with a sign saying: "Salvador Dali was nearly here" never know. They might of doubled their money jejejjeje (: Salvador would need to be very quick if he wanted to set fire to the napkin. Maybe there was a candle on the table, but that's unlikely as it was only a cafe, not a restaurant. I think the waiter would have succeeded in grabbing the napkin because Salvador wouldn't be expecting it. But then, of course, the waiter would have to pay taxes on that receipt of value, and he'd probably have been ruined unless he could sell it quickly. A better way would have been to just ask for an autograph on the napkin, and then draw a picture on it later, to pass it off as a signed work by Salvador Dali but then the waiter would of ended up in jail, for theft as a servant. He pinched a napkin that never belonged to him (: + i think the person what asked him to draw something was maybe a bit greedy. I wouldve just asked for a autograph like you say. But not like you say then stuck my own drawing on it. I dont want to go to jail either and also I dont think anybody will believe my drawing of a plywood box was a Dali work anyways (:

Phil Deakins wrote: I'm sure I've heard that story before, or one pretty much the same. The waiter could have taken the napkin for free, anyway, as it belonged to the cafe and not to Salvador Dali yes lol (: the waiter could have tried. But the artist could have then set fire to the napkin destroying their work, and then settled with the cafe owner for the price of a napkin the other person could then of bought their napkin from the cafe owner, and then tried selling it for a profit on ebay, with a sign saying: "Salvador Dali was nearly here" never know. They might of doubled their money jejejjeje (:

Theresa Tennyson wrote: Amethyst Jetaime wrote: Your splitting hairs. The TOS says nothing about most everything in SL. The TOS explicitly allows certain things and forbids certain other things. Everything not forbidden is allowed. For example: Where for does the TOS allow pixel bumping? Where does it allow you to 'kill' someone resulting in a TP home? Further, there would not be the scripting ability to eject or teleport home if LL objected to that. Think very carefully - are you sure you want to say that? Are you really, really sure? this is a jurisdictional thing and is pretty interesting. It comes about historically thru how law is seen and evolves in different societies i first learned about this reading Prokofy's blog a while ago now. And has made quite a lot of sense to me as I read up further on it. Other academic and legal papers and writings also since + in countries that evolved from english common law (since the change from feudalism, Magna Carta) then the common law principle is Proscriptive. Meaning that all things that are not proscribed by law, are legal. Might sometimes not be moral, but when not proscribed are not illegal other countries/societies that never changed from feudalism in the same way, retained the principle of Prescriptive law. France and Russia are examples of this, and there are other European examples as well. Altho all these societies are evolving to the Proscriptive Principle as well, just not at the same pace as others when revolution came to these societies and the power was stripped from the Lords and given to the Commons, the Commons assumed to themselves, expressed thru their Parliaments, the Presciptive Principle once exercised by the Lords/Crown/Royalty Prescriptive Principle. Meaning that everything is illegal unless specifically granted by law. In practice this meant in the olden days we could never do anything unless we got a Royal Assent warrant to do so. And when the Royalty was depowered (or abolished) then the Commons (thru the Parliament) said that by law we have to get a Permit to do stuff, a permit issued by the State the USA in the main, follows the Proscriptive Principle, given that its legal history draws largely from english common law. The implications for SL is that the proscriptive principle also applies inworld, given that LL are subject to US law, both literally and in principle eta. typso and add i think a difficulty that we can sometimes encounter in SL is the technical permissions system that we can sometimes see and equate the technical permissions system as the equivalent of a Permit the implications of this are the powers that a State permit carries. Meaning that the possessor of a State-issued permit is backed by the power of the State provided that the possessor observes the requirements of the law governing the use of the permit the deeper issue is that the law, and what can be done with the power of a Permit when the law is set aside, are not necessarily the same thing. A reading of the ToS and Linden-written standards and explanatory guidelines, shows this

Darrius Gothly wrote: ... I also am capable of seeing the artistry embodied in its simple beauty. Like those amazing artists that can draw three curvy lines and make you see a wind-swept beach with two lovers walking hand-in-hand ... The richness that can be communicated with three simple lines is there ... Just like Gutenberg and Ben Franklin who saw the invention and use of printing presses as world changing things, I think we all can see how VR can change the world too. We just gotta stop messing with wires and code .. and start chasing the real beauty at the core of the idea. i quote as above to remove the references to LL so that I can see your argument more clearly + without the wire and codes, the mechanics, technicals, learning, discipline, the canvasses and tools, etc etc to express our art then all we have is oration oration is a rich and vibrant tool for sure. It works great for storytelling and communicating ideas and expressions, art and science even. Both practical and imaginative to move beyond this tho into other forms of expression, then we do need other tools and canvases as you say the canvases and tools dont always need to be complicated, altho when something complex is being created/built then while each tool might be simple dedicated, the range of needed tools grows as the work grows in complexity when look at what toolmakers focus on then can see is pretty much always about functionality, specificity for task, ease of use, and responding to those who use the tools made the toolmakers respond to the artists (tool users) and not to the viewers of the art/expression produced by the artist using the tools. Even when sometimes the viewer of the art might be interested in the techniques and tools used by the artist + about 3 lines. And the true cost of simplicity, as seen thru the eyes of a artist i read once a story about Salvador Dali as told by a friend of his they were having lunch in a cafe. A person approached them and kinda gushed all over Mr Dali, like what happens sometimes after a bit the person handed Mr Dali a table napkin and asked if he could draw something. He then say sure and drew something on his own napkin. The person reached for it and he said: that be $20,000 please. The person goes: wut!! you drew that in less than a minute. And he said: It took me my whole life to draw that

just on the way you have framed this + is not a binary choice for us. We can have both while it is true that the bar for creation in Sansar will be a lot higher, this doesnt mean that we cant learn how make stuff at this level is any number of people who already successfully create and sell product in SL who would back themselves to reach and exceed the Sansar bar in the same way that many SLers are whizzes with prims. Then mesh came and many of the many went on to learn mesh and have been pretty successful at doing this some of us (incl. me) never bothered. However I dont think that my want/inclination to stay in the past with what I am familiar and comfortable with, should have taken precedence over the aspirations of those who went over to mesh (and neither did it) nor do I think that our wish to stay with a SL-like creative environment can or should take any precedence over what Sansar is or can become

Darrius Gothly wrote: When Philip first envisioned Second Life, he had this head full of grand ideas about a Utopian World where everything was free, everything was possible and eventually the rest of the world would catch up technologically and philosophically. We caught up in the Tech sense, mostly caught up in the Philosophic sense .. and pretty much turned his Grand Plan into daily activity. But it was more than a decade ago that he first tasked his team with making Utopia. Since then the forces of Business, Finance and Reality have been steadily grinding it down, further and further. While not necessarily a "bad thing'', it has had some side-effects that we now see evident in Linden Lab's decision making process. i just come in on this part from a philosphical pov, in a visionary sense that has a profound effect on the future shaping of the human race, then I will not disagree with the basis of your point is the kinda thing that sorta goes: reach for the stars, spend trillions of dollars and hours consuming the efforts of the best and brighest people that the world has to offer, and end up with a mobile phone can be a little bit disappointing that after all the last 70 years about, then we never got to the stars already. Yet the mobile phone (and apps on it) has changed/shaped the world quite profoundly from each users own unique pov. And for the better I think. Far more so than a handful of astronauts who maybe might have made it to another star somehow + what will the future of VR actually be ? We dont know. What we do know tho is that whatever does come out of it will be driven by the choices that the most number of users make, as it benefits them personally a similar philosophical posit when considering/wondering/searching for big answers. Why is FB so big, and SL so small comparatively ? the simplist explanation is that more people see an actual personal realworld benefit for themselves in FB. 1.3 billion active users vs 1 million (about). Is a reality this. Might not be great reality, but is what people have chosen for themselves + i think also that something that we can sometimes miss when wondering about the future of VR is that people just arent into it i think is mostly bc people cant see any practical realworld benefit in it for themselves at this time. Other than maybe as a form of entertainment, exotic entertainment even maybe. There might be a practical VR benefit one day, but they dunno what the might be, might be. And nor do the people pioneering this stuff, at this time in a we dunno what we dunno sense. So just have a go, make something and see what happens LL in this sense is no different to anyone else. They dunno either, so they just having a go at making something, and what happens will happen. Can be a bit fatalistic this way of doing things. But sometimes there is no other way + about Philip Linden His vision for SL as vehicle for a alternative future for humankind, was over when nobody who was paying the tiers accepted his philosophical view that without conflict there is no life. The people never saw any point or benefit for them in paying for conflict just to live Philip Linden I think did try to accommodate/resolve this in his own thinking over the next few years. But he gave it up in the end, and walked away from SL, his own creation, as the vehicle to express his own philosophies. I think that he was not able to fully reconcile this with the fact the most number of SL users/people disagreed with him on this pretty fundamental philosophical point, and find happiness/peace in this for himself i think he realised and came to accept, that we (the users) had changed SL into something other/different than what he had hoped for and envisaged. In a from stars to phone kinda analogy + i can tell you about the only ever time I met Philip Linden personally was inworld and was only by random bc I only went there just bc nosey. Was only for about 30 minutes altogether Torley Linden was there as well to start with. Was pretty interesting what they were talking about. Philosophy and the implications of this for humankind after Torley Linden had to go them I spend some little time with Philip Linden alone. Was pretty interesting for me what he did and said, how he responded to the questions I asked him my questions were: how come you have a mansion and yet you sitting up here on this hill ? His answer: The mansion was a gift from a friend. It is a lovely thought and they are a very talented builder how come your island is owned by M Linden and not by you ? His answer: I was wondering the same thing myself you know that your feet are stuck in the rock you are sitting on ? His answer: So they are. I will have to do something about that and he did. He changed the sculpt map to a log. So I just sit beside him on the log for a while and never said nothing more after that like I never asked him why did he do what he had just done (leave SL) and what now ? He already had answered that in the 3 questions I already asked, so I didnt want to bother him any further he never said nothing either after that. We just sit there quiet silent watching people coming and going into the mansion. Nobody came up by us some little time later he said he had to go do stuff in the RL. I say ok, take care and be happy. And he say ok. thanks. you too. bye bye. And cool name btw. And poof he was gone. And I never saw him again forever more forever after i hope that he is happy with what he is doing now ps Torley Linden took a pic of that day. So I end up in it. I delete that account after that bc some people saw the pic on the internets and thought that maybe I knew something about stuff I never. Was just a random thing that happened, among all the other random stuff that happens when we a little bit nosey sometimes

Kelli May wrote: (and rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!) i think maybe that rigidly defining this kinda stuff is pretty questionable like I am uncertain of and would be a little bit doubtful of any conclusions. bc Trump (:

Darrius Gothly wrote: ... it seems the population of those "invited" into creating for Sansar has been limited to a very specific subset of Creators that meet certain quality standards. As someone who is very artistically challenged (the stuff I make looks like .. umm ... ugly stuff) this smacks of artificially filtering out those that don't match the personal likes and dislikes of an unknown and invisible Elite ... is actual good reasons for why this is. I try to explain the Sansar criteria was that a person a) was a expert with Maya (the industry-standard professional content creation toolset) b) they had time to devote to the project c) that this project stage is technical design of the world model fundamentals and not artistic design as such d) that the person has prior experience working on this stage of similar business projects. People with this experience are typically academic researchers and industry professionals expert in the design of content delivery world model systems basically this is the alpha stage + i think that before end this year then it will move to beta, and opened to a large pool of content designers and users/players/testers. In other words open to amateurs and self-employed crafters, grafters and grinders at which time their content design feedbacks will influence changes to specific components of the model, introduce new tools, improve existing tools, without fundamentally changing the design of the world model delivery system itself + the fundamental design of the world model is a business decision, not a artistic one. LL as the business have already determined what that business design/decision is some of the specific business components have still to be decided on for sure also, if/when/how they might be introduced. The whys of have already been decided tho, in these kinda major business projects + basically the last thing you want in the early stages is a whole bunch of amateurs who dont know much about anything amateurs are better to come in later in the process. A example is the Bento project i am a amateur in this field. I never got involved in the early design phase of this bc is not my expert field. I left it to the actual experts of this. And they got most of it pretty right then when I did get involved it was over a specific component. And the technical experts took what I (and others also) said about this specific component, reassessed the technicals of it, and made subsequent changes/adjustments to compensate, without breaking the model design

Aethelwine wrote: wherorangi wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: I don't think the KB has the same force of law as the TOS, the CS and other LL Official documents, but still here we have the phrase. "provide adequate warning." So how much time is "adequate?" is pretty interesting when stuff gets written by a Linden which this article was. What does it imply and stuff like that + ....... + "Scripts or no scripts, you cannot use land ownership as a way to unfairly restrict another Second Life Resident's personal freedoms" i think this one (by origin) has more to do with building out our neighbour (either manual or script) in a way that can be seen as harrassing. From mainland wars I think Maybe they mean above 800m where they say in the same article individual bans don't work? maybe yes now. The individual parcel ban thingy at any height is a relative recent thing am pretty sure tho that the no-scripts limit is still 70m above terrain

Qie Niangao wrote: wherorangi wrote: like tie it to Avatar Complexity. If over some limit then can pay X amount to enter the rest of the sim. Or change outfit to under the free limit. Or go home I quite like this. It would be even better if the script could say something like: "To stay on this parcel for one hour, please pay L$63, and here's the breakdown of what each item you're wearing contributes to that cost...." i could go with this personal confession: I am a total bling monkey (: i have never seen any jewellery and attachments that i never liked. I am a walking jeweller store (: about a zillion ACI pretty much all the time i do try to be reasonable sometimes but somehow stuff just wants to attach to me, all by itself seems like + if I went to a fair or event and the doorkeeper goes: Hi welcome to our high fashion event. That be like 100,000L please for your own private viewing, unmolested by all them riffraff lagging you with their grandma outfits then I probably choke a bit and do the whole: but I am fabulous dahlinks !!! and you should accept my deigning to come to your now obvious 2nd-class event, and let me in for free. To help raise the tone of the place but yanno (: