JeanneAnne

16 wrote: with all the people who dont want to be in a commune style. is what I meant by anarchy. anarchism is an extreme form of self-expression. when is any effort made to coerce a true anarchist into commune style ways then most often they react quite violently i use2 call myself an anarchist but then i found a better word .. autarchy .. i dont see any conflict between communal living & autarky .. every1 governs his or her own self & every1 has a say in decisions that effect the entire group .. if some1 is so independant that they dont even want to live in a group .. nothings stopping them from going it alone .. i dont see why SL cant be a communal group of autonomous self governing individuals .. i think itd be a much better place if it was Jeanne

16 wrote: I don't get it when you say stuff like: if we all pay then we wont have to pay I sometimes think that you think that you some kinda marxist. doesn't really fit tho with what you say sometimes bc marxism->communism isnt about anyone paying. is about labour. you get fed and clothed and a roof. medical and education and thats about it. just have work after that. if not want to work in a commune style living then you have to anyway bc nobody will carry you when all everyone has is their ability to work. like you get made to if you dont work bc is no way you can contribute otherwise i dont know mucha bout Marx .. i do like his saying "from each according to ability, to each according to need" tho .. thats 1uv my favorite quotes .. when you say that communism is about getting fed clothed housed medical treatment & education .. that sounds better than many get under greed-based fascist corporatism .. but why does that have to be "about it"? why cant that just be the beginning? in exchange for what youre able to do why not get whatever you want .. so long as its no more than anyone else gets? Jeanne

Porky Gorky wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: iv never watched tv You mean you have never seen Dog the Bounter Hunter? You havn't lived! no .. i have not .. & i dont believe in involving dogs in police or military operations either .. its animal abuse! Jeanne

Melita Magic wrote: This is meant to be a fun game. Nothing too risque please, since minors can read this, and yada, yada. The object of the game is simply to state something you have never done. It is supposed to be something that 'everyone else has done' or 'everyone else is doing' or supposedly everyone has done, but that you have never, for some reason, done. Simple. So, I will begin. I have never...watched Grey's Anatomy. Not a single episode. Your turn! (Remember...G rated, or PG rated, please.) iv never watched tv

16 wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: Theresa Tennyson wrote: So, in other words, the only people who should be able to access SL are those who can spend $200 a year on "pretty cartoons"? Incidentally, that's well over twice what a premium account costs now. yep .. thats how it should be .. no "ownership" & no freeloading .. everyone contributes & everyone has equal access .. premium accounts are worthless anyway .. those who pay tier support everyone else .. this promotes classism conflict & griefing .. if everyone paid a user free & no one "owned property" & there was no L$ & all content was free .. sl would be a truly egalitatarian virtual society & everyone would be equal .. as it should be .. Jeanne but i dont want to pay anything at all ever to anyone. i just dont value community enough to be worth anything to me. community sux anarchy rulz or something i figure that many would leave SL if they had to pay .. thats ok tho .. others would be drawn to an egalitarian virtual world & wouldnt mind paying to be free of all the "linden love" nonsense .. im sure you could find free worlds online .. where you could seek community or solitude .. as you prefer Jeanne

Amethyst Jetaime wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: denying the love of drama is just another form of being dramatic Jeanne Coming from a self professed drama lover I can understand why you say that. You can't conceive of anything else. But that's ok. You world your imagination after all. My world my imagination has better things to do. if you had anything better to do you wouldnt hang out in this forum so much .. thats what i think !! Jeanne

Theresa Tennyson wrote: Indeed - an equal gathering a group of the leisure class Absolutely !! a bunchuv spoiled affluent 1st world whiners ... supporting rich 1%ers running a vampire CO2 spewing corporation Indeed! Jeanne

Knowl Paine wrote: 70% of the people on this Planet do not have access to a toilet. The same 70% do not have clean water to drink. One half of the World's population lives in the dark, without electricity. Hundreds of thousands of children on the continent of Africa, do not have enough food to eat. Now,... tell me about your problems. tier is too high !!! WAAAA ... :womansad: Jeanne

Theresa Tennyson wrote: So, in other words, the only people who should be able to access SL are those who can spend $200 a year on "pretty cartoons"? Incidentally, that's well over twice what a premium account costs now. yep .. thats how it should be .. no "ownership" & no freeloading .. everyone contributes & everyone has equal access .. premium accounts are worthless anyway .. those who pay tier support everyone else .. this promotes classism conflict & griefing .. if everyone paid a user free & no one "owned property" & there was no L$ & all content was free .. sl would be a truly egalitatarian virtual society & everyone would be equal .. as it should be .. Jeanne

Theresa Tennyson wrote: Actually there are a variety of ways people can approach SL. People can play completely for free, people can pay money in if they choose and people can actually make a living at it. It all depends on what you want to do. Actually a setup like that seems more egalitarian than models that some people propose like asking everyone to pay what would quickly end up to be hundreds of dollars a year to maintain the system and then forbidding them the chance to get any of that reimbursed. i think that if everyone paid roughly $200 per year it would cover SL operating expenses & no one would have any advantage or disadvantage over anyone else as is .. some pay $295 per month to rent (excuse, to "own" LoL) a sim while others play for free nothing "egalitarian" about the current situation whatsoever Jeanne

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: Haha. I can understand what you are saying.......but in my life's experience I've found that there are some people who actually are honest and have a very different view on life. If Ametthyst says she tries to avoid drama at all costs, I tend to believe her. My "honesty" is that I seek out drama when the mood strikes. And then, only the drama I want to participate in. Everyone has a different view. I can respect that.....and hope others (such as Amethyst) can respect my stand. Somehow I think she can. oh .. i agree w/ you Peggy .. & maybe in Amethys'ts case she truly is as she claims to be .. but all so often its like .. >> I'm not like the rest of you drama queens, I'm above all that gossip .. she said what ?!?! << LoL im just being cynical tho :cattongue: Jeanne

denying the love of drama is just another form of being dramatic Jeanne

Perrie Juran wrote: ..h my Avatar. He always sympathizes with me and takes my side. no kidding ?!? my avatar constantly criticizes me & gives me **bleep** .. i want an avatar that takes my side .. Jeanne

Coby Foden wrote: One other thing what I have noticed while sailing. Very often there appears somebody else's boat floating in the air, not moving anywhere. The minimap shows that the avatar is there too. Even the viewer radar (Firestorm) tells that the avatar is there. But mystitool radar shows no avatar. Well, when you right click on that boat floating in the air.. poof it vanishes, so does the avatar too. I wonder what causes those ghosts up in the air? Near airports there are even similar planes floating in the air. Right click on them and they're gone. If one stays a long time in one spot near airport there will be many ghost planes in floating (not moving anywhere) in the air. One more thing, when sailing together with somebody, the other person might drop off the boat or even crash. The strange thing is that I know nothing of the other avatar being dropped off or being crashed. As I see it, the avatar is still with me in the boat. If we have been chatting (in general chat) I just wonder why the other person went suddenly so silent. What ever I say, no reply. Only when IM the other avatar and if the avatar just dropped off the boat I get a reply "Where are you? I'm at the bottom of the sea." I answer "No, you are still with me in the boat". Well, when I offer TP and the avatar comes back, their ghost vanishes from the boat. Again the viewer radar and minimap showed all the time that the avatar was with me in the boat. i only just went sailing this one day .. i saw boats w/ no avatars in them @ sim crossings .. & i saw avatars hovering in the air w/ no boat .. on the other hand some of the sailors i was attempting to follow made the sim crossing w/ ltl or no trouble .. i actually made the crossing or seemed to a few times but then had no control over my boat afterwards .. so it all seems so arbitrary .. im sure it has something to do w/ script load or boat speed or type or inv size or pathfinding or something .. but it all just seems so arbitrary & bizarre .. sailing might be fun IF IT WORKED !! Jeanne

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: I like drama.........always have. I don't like drama that leads to personal attacks but otherwise I do sort of "thrive" on drama. I don't start drama threads but I admit to seeking threads out started by others.....it's entertainment. Sometimes better than reallity shows on TV me too .. Jeanne

Phil Deakins wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: once i had "land" offered to me for free .. i was kinda naive .. not too sure how tier worked .. so @ 1st the idea of free land sounded appealing .. but then i was informed or realized somehow that i would have to pay LL "tier" on "my" land .. whats w/ this? i thot .. is tier like property tax you pay to the government then? but property taxes are less than the value of the property & tier is much more than the value of the property .. so how can you say that you "own" virtual land when you constantly must pay the real owner for it ?? renting server space for coded cartoons is very much an affluent 1st world phenomonon .. only ppl rich by world standards could even contemplate paying for pixels .. with so much poverty in the world is it even ethical to pay for pixels? thats a question ppl who pay for the privilege of pretending to "own" someting that isnt even real will have to ask themselves sometimes i expect to wake up & find that overnite people will have collectively had a fog lifted from over their brains .. & they will feel silly & sheepish for having taken a cartoon world so seriously that theyve been paying real money for ther colorful illusions .. if this ever happens sl dies .. so i hope it doesnt happen .. but i really hav2 wonder what ppl are thinking when they pay that tier Jeanne You seem to forget that different people use SL in different ways. Your way is fine for you but others prefer different ways. For some people, 'owning' land for various reasons is the prefered way, and the monthly cost of it is very cheap. It's extremely cheap entertainment. You've no need to worry that the fog you mentioned will lift. It won't - because it doesn't exist. You seem to imagine that you are smarter or cleverer than those who actually put money into SL, but you're not. Just like you, everyone who puts money in is well aware that it isn't actually necessary, but they do it because they want to - because it's extremely cheap for their own particular SL entertainment. Using SL and never putting money in isn't smart or clever. It's merely a choice that everyone knows. of course different ppl use sl in different ways .. thats 1uv the virtues of the game .. but whether you use it for music or still fotography or video or building or sailing or for virtual combat or for romance or kinky pixel slex or games or historical / fantasy RP or for whatever .. theres no need to pay for any of it when you say that "the monthly cost of (sl) is very cheap" you sound like Romney saying that middle class income begins @ $200K per year .. you sound very elitist ... when millions of Americans go hungry & billions do around the world .. paying anything for cartoon entertainment doesnt seem so cheap im not worried about the collective fog of self-delusionment lifting from around the brains of elitist ricos .. not because it doesnt exist but because its so deeply ingrained in the minds of the likes of you .. paying for pretty cartoons when you dont hav2 isnt smart but it must be very ego gratifying to the narcissistic personality ... you dont pay because you have to .. but because you can .. mwwah !! wallowing in privilege so you can convince yourself that you deserve the privileges you enjoy .. & boasting about how cheap it is for you .. while many go hungry .. maybe someday youll realize how sick this all is Jeanne

Chaeli Eyre wrote: Drama, what is its definition and why to people abhor it so much? In Hollywood people love it, they get paid millions of dollars to make movies, and people watch them. There are countless magazines with "what happened with Bradd Pit and Angelina". But we are not allowed to talk about what's going on in our own lives. My question is why? And what if someone joins a group and is new to SL and doesn't know what drama means, should they be beaten and banned for their ignorance? Seems to me that's more dramatic. And how can you tell if you will be called dramatic if you do not know what another persons definition of it is? And before someone sends the SL police after me for posting this is it so bad to have discussions like this to empower people's self esteem and give them knowledge. I mean if people didn't talk about their "drama" to their therapists they would be out of a job. And psychologists would not get their paycheck, and people would be worse off with out their ant-depressants wouldn't they? ppl dont "abhor" drama .. are you kidding? ppl LOVE drama .. & thrive on it .. if not for drama ppl would be utterly bored .. i know ppl say they dont like drama .. but theyre lying .. of course they do .. so dont be fooled Jeanne

Haha !! i was given this boat awhile back .. itsa nice one .. very fast & easy to sail .. but its worthless .. cuz it wont cross sim boundaries i took it out today for the 1st time .. every time it tried to cross sims it either ended up sinking ... or flying !! here it is spinning in circles in the air @ a sim boundary .. LoL thers a whole sailing community & this is the best LL can do ?!? Jeanne

madman626 Fall wrote: If it was`t for ppl who do rent or buy L$ , become Premium Members ,, or is a land lord you wouldn't have a free SL to start with pretty sure LL don't run for free so has you call us * people will have collectively had a fog lifted from over their brains * you are very welcome to play SL for free thanks to us that do put money in to sl with out us there no free game . thank you very much for your generosity madman !! please do continue to pay for my free cartoons i surely do appreciate it Jeanne

you know .. if youd just play SL for fun .. & not worry about the toy economy .. none of this would even be an issue .. the way SL is set up thers goin2 be ppl who play the metagame of getting over on the game .. to some thats more interesting & exciting than the game itself .. so just dont participate in any of that stuff & you wont be griefed theres plenty of fun to be had in SL w/out being involved in any of this stuff Jeanne

M4SK22 Melody wrote: First world problems eh? This is the most laughable forum thread in the known universe. no kidding !! when hundreds of millions of ppl are hungry .. to complain about cartoons costing too much is just kinda ..... sick once i had "land" offered to me for free .. i was kinda naive .. not too sure how tier worked .. so @ 1st the idea of free land sounded appealing .. but then i was informed or realized somehow that i would have to pay LL "tier" on "my" land .. whats w/ this? i thot .. is tier like property tax you pay to the government then? but property taxes are less than the value of the property & tier is much more than the value of the property .. so how can you say that you "own" virtual land when you constantly must pay the real owner for it ?? renting server space for coded cartoons is very much an affluent 1st world phenomonon .. only ppl rich by world standards could even contemplate paying for pixels .. with so much poverty in the world is it even ethical to pay for pixels? thats a question ppl who pay for the privilege of pretending to "own" someting that isnt even real will have to ask themselves sometimes i expect to wake up & find that overnite people will have collectively had a fog lifted from over their brains .. & they will feel silly & sheepish for having taken a cartoon world so seriously that theyve been paying real money for ther colorful illusions .. if this ever happens sl dies .. so i hope it doesnt happen .. but i really hav2 wonder what ppl are thinking when they pay that tier Jeanne

Sonja Smedley wrote: Hello everyone. I am loosing blood and need people who want to get bitten by me.:smileytongue: Ähm....well I would prefer males...If here are any voluntary, please leave me a message. Thanks:0) cant you get a priest to turn some wine in2 blood for you? Jeanne

Ceka Cianci wrote: if i ever get back in world longer than just to pay my tier i'll give it a listen..i haven't really been back inworld very much this summer.. i've been burning up the trails and the sun onmy horses and the boat hehehehe i've been Ipad'ing it for the most part on the move hehehehe oh ya and Real world shopping!! =) cool !! thanks .. you dont hav2 be inworld to lissen tho .. eventually i intend to DJ inworld but for now im just streamin over the innerwebz Jeanne

Ceka Cianci wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: i dont care if you read my posts or not Charolotte .. my self-expression doesnt need your approval :catvery-happy: Jeanne Oh YA?!! I'll give you sumtin to Expression about !! \o/ :matte-motes-evil-invert: hehehehe THIS IS NOT BOOOORING!!! it's Awesome in a jug!! hehehe you da RwwwwKer Ceka .. thanks !! hey .. if you didnt know .. i hava stream up ~Annie's Majikal Muzikal Medley~ can find it on AudioRealm or .. http://chuska.org:6009/annie.m3u its up 24/7 .. unless SAM or my puter craps out on mondays i play Celtic .. i intend to do Blues on tuesdays .. long 'epic' tunes on weds .. Favs on thurs & Pagan Spiritual on Freyja's Day .. but so far i only have the Celtic playlist organized restuv the time it just plays the general playlist @ random .. ~10K songs i may have mentioned but i bought this machine that digitalizes vinyl albums & cassette tapes .. i finished all moms old vinyl albums so i have some kinduv obscure late 60s / early 70s hard rock you prolly wont hear anywhere else ... bands like Blodyn Pig & Fat Mattress & Cat & 2nd Coming & Mt. Rushmore & Alexis Korner & Juicy Lucy & stuff like that .. along w/ more familiar stuff from those days .. im still working on all her cassette tapes too .. theyre harder i also have quite a bit of World stuff .. Afrikan & Sami & Spanish language stuff .. & folk & blues .. also a lotuv Witch or Pagan stuff .. i want to sortuv specialize in this .. cuz my mom has older stuff that you dont usually hear .. anyhow .. give a listen!! if you want .. thanks Jeanne

these times are hard compared to when? compared to the Great Depression? compared to the flu epidemic of 1918? compared to the Civil War ?? quit your whining over 'hard times' XXX .. times aint so hard if you dont like the prices LL charges .. dont pay them !! i dont if you pay what LL charges you do so of your own free will .. if you dont like what LL charges dont pay it simple as that Jeanne