JeanneAnne

dude! if you script the convoluted way you prose .. no WONDER theres lag !! Jeanne

corporations are parasites .. you say "I've spent a decade of my life, paying LL money - thousands of dollars a year - and putting in thousands of hours of work to build community and create content in SL. Every year that goes by, I feel that LL finds new and creative ways to kick sand in my face for the effort and expense." youre like a "blood doll" to a vampire you ask LL "Why are we your enemy?" you arent their "enemy" .. you are their host .. just like a pig is host to a tapeworm .. parasites dont usually kill their hosts until the host becomes so drained of life that they might as well .. LL is winding SL down while getting ready to move on to other projects .. isnt it obvious? why is all this so difficult to understand ?!? Jeanne

Darren Scorpio wrote: Oh so he lives! Now get him to pull his head out of his you know what and start making better decisions. okies .. ill hold him down .. you attach the come-along to his neck & start pullin !! Jeanne

Darren Scorpio wrote: Hitomi Tiponi wrote: Hopefully someone in LL will see sense. At least keep all reported issues visible - how will we know what is a new bug and what is being worked through without some visibility. No one wants to keep reporting what others have already reported (it's a waste of time for everyone) - or do you like to get hundreds of bug reports for the same thing. This was my first thought as well. Not to mention that comments allow people with a similar issue to add more details on the troubleshooting. This really doesn't make any sense at all. Where is Rodvik? Has he even been seen in the last month or so? Whose idea was this? is this him? from yesterday ... http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/Whats-your-favorite-thing-about-Sl/td-p/1659329 Jeanne Edt: message 8

Howard1985 Doghouse wrote: i think we need more groups then 42 because it get filled so easy for those who work at djs jobs and keep getting a dj job and plus do other jobs and use stores for vendors and all and each group u join have 2 or 3 groups and time it all said and done the groups are filled i believe it should be increase more we been having this problem for a while now i think it could be increase over 100 you must really enjoy being spammed !! when i was new i joined groups left & right .. once i realized that joining a group meant that the group would spam you .. i started deleting groups .. now i belong to very few .. & i dont play the changing group tags thing either .. even tho it sometimes means missing out on a few $L cuz i dont have the tag activated .. belonging to 100 groups would be a nitemare !! itd result in incessant spam Jeanne

Innula Zenovka wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: Before I got banned from this forum I argued for Second Life being wrested from the clutches of a greedy sociopathic corporation, and for the game to be run as a user owned cooperative.. Jeanne How did you propose to wrest SL from LL's clutches? I'm baffled. I mean, how did you suggest this change of ownership might best be achieved? late here Innula .. just let me say.. tier boycott !! for now .. ill be back 2morrow .. ~huggzzz~~ Jeanne Later: ok .. heres what i propose: i propose that ppl who actually love SL & are involved inworld set up a members-owned nonproft organization based on food or babysitting coops or on members-owned credit unions .. we would elect representatives from among our peers to serve as treasurer & secretary etc .. & NO i have no interest in being one of these ppl ~i lack the inclination & experience for it~ but once we have our consortium set up we start collecting membership dues or user fees or whatever you want to call it .. then we make LL an offer to buy SL from them .. heck even LL employees could join our group! so what if LL refused our offer? well.. wed negotiate but if they were stubborn wed call for a TIER STRIKE !! we would force them to accept our fair offer or go outuv business .. the way that SL is in decline i have a feeling that LL would jump @ our offer once we owned SL we would collect just enuf from each player or resident to pay the bills & keep SL online .. we would have to pay salaries to technicians of course .. & pay for electricity & maintenance & upgrades on the servers .. but we WOULDNT have to pay exoribtant executive salaries & dividends & capital gains to shareholders .. WE would be the shareholders .. hence overall operating costs for running SL would be reduced .. WE would set the ToS .. not have them imposed on us from "above" like they are now .. we would attempt to reach consensus & if this was impossible .. wed put it up to a vote .. i would hope that once we owned SL we would abolish the $L .. abolish private "ownership" of "property" ~which is only an illusion anyway~ & make all content available to everyone for free .. but all of this would be open for residents & members to decide ... this is what i propose & it will probably get me banned again but i dont care Jeanne

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: Naw...........I'm out of beer. Drank it all last Sunday evening watching the NASCAR race. I typo a lot.........you should see me when I'm mad and try to type fast. LoL 'K Love you Peg! Thanks for disagreeing w/ me.. Jeanne

Innula Zenovka wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: I contribute when I can Innula. My sisters make enough $L in one or two DJing gigs to cover rent. I make $L in various ways, inworld. I help them at their gigs, win contests, do this or that to earn a few $L now & then. My husband would KILL me if I spent real money on a computer game. Jeanne You don't have to defend yourself to me -- it's none of my business. All I'm saying is that you can't infer that no one need pay for SL from the fact that you personally don't have to pay anything to enjoy SL. Almost all the places you enjoy exporing, or clubs you enjoy going to, are only there because other people pay for them. I'm not trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't do -- I am just stating what seems to me the completely self-evident fact that if it wasn't for people paying almost US$200 a month for a mainland region or almost US$300 a month for a private region, most of SL wouldn't be there for you or anyone else to enjoy. You're absolutely correct Innula. Under Linden Lab's business model there would be no Second Life if everyone played the game the way I do. No argument! Before I got banned from this forum I argued for Second Life being wrested from the clutches of a greedy sociopathic corporation, and for the game to be run as a user owned cooperative. That idea went over like a turd in the punch bowl among those inculcated with corporatist loyalties. As things currently stand, I appreciate those of you who buy into Second Life's toy economy; the content creators, the vendors, those who run the venues.. Without you folks I couldn't have as much fun as I do, under the prevailing circumstances. Does this make me a parasite? Perhaps. But I guarantee you that I'm a very small parasite compared to Linden Lab corporate executives and major shareholders. If you want to dis SL parasites go after them, not me. Jeanne

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: "... Sexual ageplay and other evil doing would happen anyway, with or without banlines. Banlines only make it easier for it to happen. Sure, any form of communication has the potential for facilitating evil doing...." ----------------------------------------------------- By that line of thinking child avatars should be banned too. I mean, afterall, a child in an grown up invironment faciltates sexual age play (BTW, why not call it what it is? Pedophilia). You keep backing yourself in a corner.........it's getting comical now. Good call! It IS pedophilia. And it goes on in Second Life behind banlines. So should Linden Lab ban child avatars? Naw, I don't think they should. After all, most of the pedophiles are adults running child avatars. If they should ban anything I'd think it should be actual children lying about their age. I'm not sure what corner I've backed myself into Peggy. What's comical to me are your typos as you proceed to get drunk. :smileywink: Jeanne

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: "...And there are going to be some who exploit this privacy in order..." to enjoy SL completely free of any monetary output on their part. Tha's freeloading. It's perfectly okay for anyone to do that.........what's not perfectly okay is to demand that LL make the norm. You enjoy SL for free because of those limitations, such as banlines, that people who support SL in a monetary manor can protect their part of SL for themselves. If I want banlines on my land, I can put them up.......if not, I have a choice not to. What you want is to take away a choice for me........all for your seffish reasons. BTW, even if you were nice I would not open my doors to you for you to do as you please.............I don't even do that for my sister. She can come and visit........but she visits at my pleasure (not hers). All I have is your say so that you are nice..........from the posts I've read from you I'm not convinced. Tha's freeloading. It's perfectly okay for anyone to do that....... Then what's your issue with me? ..what's not perfectly okay is to demand that LL make the norm. Second Life couldn't survive if my approach to it was the only way anyone ever played the game, could it? At least not according to Linden Lab's current business model. So long as LL's current business model remains in effect, I don't want the way I approach SL to be the norm. If it was, LL would go out of business. I appreciate all of you who pay for Second Life. I really do! Without you there would be no Second Life. So keep up the good work! I won't even ask you to consider a different business model. There'd be no point. You enjoy SL for free because of those limitations, (my emphasis) I'm glad that you consider such things as banlines to be "limitations." Indeed they are. They limit freedom. If I want banlines on my land, I can put them up...... Of course you can. What I really have to question, though, is why you'd want to. What are you hiding? What you want is to take away a choice for me........all for your seffish reasons. LoL So you turn my argument around on me. You're secretiveness and exclusivity is all well and good, and my call for openness is what's selfish. Good job! Have you considered going into politics Peggy? What with your talent for twisting reason you'd go far! :cattongue: BTW, even if you were nice I would not open my doors to you... Somehow, this does not surprise me. All I have is your say so that you are nice..........from the posts I've read from you I'm not convinced. Good point. I probably don't come across as all that nice in the forum here. But, then, I mostly only respond to the posts of others. It's difficult to be as nice as I should be in the face of so much bitterness, paranoia & sarcasm as is displayed here. Sorry. You're still welcome to come on over though. I bet you're nicer, too, inworld & in real life, than you've came across as being in some of your snarkier posts. :womanwink: Jeanne

Sassy Romano wrote: No, as I said, I don't have the mindset that assumes that everything I cannot see must be hiding evil. My point being, that regardless of banlines, it would happen anyway, with or without banlines. Banlines have absolutely nothing to do with it, in fact SL has nothing to do with it. Skype, Twitter, MSN, Yahoo!, you name it, any form of communications will be a facilitator. Ban everything. It would be paranoid to assume that everything you cannot see must be hiding evil. I don't assume that. I only assume that when people intentionally hide what they're doing they might be hiding evil. Who knows? Yeah, I agree with you. Sexual ageplay and other evil doing would happen anyway, with or without banlines. Banlines only make it easier for it to happen. Sure, any form of communication has the potential for facilitating evil doing. Ban everything? Ban nothing, I say. Jeanne

I'm impressed but not heartwarmed as I used to be. I'm the opposite Melita. I'm heartwarmed by Second Life but not impressed. It's the people, not the builds or pixel stuff that's important. I'm sorry that more people didn't express their appreciation for what all you did. Come & hang out with me & my sisters, if you want. There are some caring people in Second Life. But you're right, of course. SL is no replacement for RL. Best wishes! Jeanne

Sassy Romano wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: Banlines don't allow people to engage in illegal sexual age-play...... Yes they do. By being able to secret your sick lifestyle behind banlines you're able or "allowed" to get away with it. Well no they don't. They faciliate "privacy", as does the following NON exhaustive list:- A skybox or platform at some arbitrary height Parcel privacy settings such that you don't even appear on the map A private region that nobody can access 100% alpha layers Using IM only Skype for chat People generally like privacy. I definitely don't assume that because I can't see it, it must be the reason that people choose privacy. Wow. Yeah .. all these thing facilitate privacy all right. And there are going to be some who exploit this privacy in order to engage in sexual ageplay and otherwise break the law and violate Linden Lab's Terms of Service. Wow. Is this only now dawning on you? Jeanne

Innula Zenovka wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: Nope. I don't. I don't have to. I enjoy Second Life for free, besides what my computer has cost me and my share of the electricity bill. I'm sorry if you feel some need to pay for Second Life when you don't have to. I'm not sure why you feel like you have to though. I guess you must have convinced yourself somehow of that. Or maybe someone convinced you of it because you're gullible. I don't know you beyond this forum so you'll have to answer that question for yourself. You said earier in the thread that you've "mostly lived on sims that are squares out in the middle of what looks like the ocean." Someone's paying for those sims, at the rate of US$295.00 a month, plus VAT if they live in the EU. They might not be asking you to contribute, but the only reason you don't have pay is that someone else is paying. Otherwise the regions wouldn't be there. I contribute when I can Innula. My sisters make enough $L in one or two DJing gigs to cover rent. I make $L in various ways, inworld. I help them at their gigs, win contests, do this or that to earn a few $L now & then. My husband would KILL me if I spent real money on a computer game. Jeanne

So, you dislike (hate?) banlines for entirely selfish reasons. Entirely? I don't think so. I think that the reasons I hate banlines apply to everyone, not just me. The reasons I listed for hating them affect everyone oppressed by them. I don't like selfish, self centered, and free loading prople. Guess that makes you a hater. Enjoy your bitterness Peggy. Yeah, I'm a Second Life "freeloader" alright. I enjoy Second Life and I don't pay a cent of real money for my enjoyment. I should care that you don't like that.. Why, exactly? Banlines don't allow people to engage in illegal sexual age-play...... Yes they do. By being able to secret your sick lifestyle behind banlines you're able or "allowed" to get away with it. Ban lines don't foster a "mine vs yours" attitude......it's a fact of life that the people who possess something that they feel has value, they will protect their possessions (look at you and your cat for instance). I would gladly share Ramona with you if the selfish content creator who made her had enabled "share." It isn't my fault that selfishness premeates the mindset of people inculcated with the pernicious "mine vs yours" attiitude. We could both have a nice Zoobie cat if I could share her with you for free, which I would be more than happy to do if I could. Banlines don't interfer with your ability to explore around......they only prevent you from exploring where you are uninvited. Why should I be "uninvited"? I do no harm. What's with this selfish "you're not invited.. na nana naaaa na" crap? According to you it will be perfectly okay for me and my friends to walk into your house (in RL), raid your refridgerator, tune into your Pay-per-view channel on your TV.. I don't own or view TV Peggy, which is perhaps why my mind isn't as infected with the hateful, selfish attitudes you're displaying in your post to me. Have you been drinking? If you want to "walk into" my house, by all means do! So long as come in a spirit of friendliness and peace. The way you're coming across though, I'd just as soon you stayed away. Once you can be nice I'd love to have you over! ...and leave all the dirty fowels on the floor for you to pick up and wash. Oh please! Like I could leave a mess in someone's Second Life home, even if I wanted to, which I don't. Try a better strawman Peggy. This one doesn't flush. That's what you are saying........... Thanks for clarifying what I'm saying for me! ..what's yours is mine and you should allow me to do as I please because, after all, it's equally yours. Certainly! So long as you're nice. The way you're acting though, I'm not so sure I'd really want to be around you. But you don't pay a red cent for any of it..... Nope. I don't. I don't have to. I enjoy Second Life for free, besides what my computer has cost me and my share of the electricity bill. I'm sorry if you feel some need to pay for Second Life when you don't have to. I'm not sure why you feel like you have to though. I guess you must have convinced yourself somehow of that. Or maybe someone convinced you of it because you're gullible. I don't know you beyond this forum so you'll have to answer that question for yourself. ....that's not your responsibilty. You're correct. It isn't. I have enough responsibility in real life. I come to Second Life to escape from responsibility. Pay for Second Life, try to make money selling pixel crap, be bitter.. Or lighten up and have fun! Do what you will Peggy. I wish you only the best! :heart: Jeanne

thanks Qie & Innula .. i guess then probably the reason i never see griefers & their stuff is cuz iv mostly lived on sims that are squares out in the middle of what looks like the ocean ~altho i cant fly or sail my sailboat outuv them~ i TP all over but seldom look at the map to see where i am .. im sure iv been to mainland places but couldnt tell you exactly where .. sounds like i just seldom go where griefers do their thing i do know that at some of the clubs where i dance & hang out .. the hostess or host sometimes has to boot or ban someone .. what iv seen sometimes is that they just rezz some big prim thingie that swings around & annoys ppl .. i just figured they did it by accident .. another thing i use2 see @ Seaside was that there were these Portuguese speaking guys ~mostly~ who would hang around & ask to friend you .. being new & naive id accept & then theyd bombard me w/ tp requests .. sometimes id accept & end up @ some club or somewhere & the guy who sent me the tp wouldnt even be there !! my sister said that they get paid for doing this by the owner of the venue for the sake of traffic & to unfriend them & dont accept any more requests unless i knew them .. i figured that was a sortuv griefing .. Jeanne

Ed Palletier wrote: I am so damn sick of this, why does linden labs allow this? The bite request is harassment TOS 8.2 sec 5 I did not join SL to be hunted by vampires, I refuse to wear the garlic neckles! I could care less if you want to be a vampire, but why are we force to play there game? Bloodline is the only game in SL we have to opp out of. wheni was new i was warned about vampires .. i expected them to be lurking around every corner waiting to attack me !! i was kinduv disappointed that i didnt encounter any .. & then when i finally did they were kinduv wimpy & asked politely if they could bite me & i just said no .. i havent even seen a vampire in quite awhile .. now that you mention it my housemate tried to play SL but gave it up because her laptop just wouldnt handle it well .. but when she was trying to play SL a vampire tricked her into letting it bite her !! i heard her yelp & ran to see what was the matter .. she was like "a vampire bit me" !!! i almost laughed but caught myself & played along ... "OMG" !! i said ... "now the vampire owns your soul" !! "what should i do" ?? she asked .. i told her that the only way she could get her soul back was by buying this majik potion .. & it was REALLY expensive .. finally i couldnt keep from laffing & she knew i was just **bleep**tin her ... then she bit me :catlol: lighten up about vamps Ed .. its just a game Jeanne

what is it that you all must do to get attacked by "griefers" ?? iv been in SL a year now & iv never seen any "griefer objects" .. maybe id see the point in all these ban lines & restricted access & stuff .. if i ever saw griefers attack .. but why do they? you must piss them off somehow .. even when i lived @ Seaside Rendezvous .. which sadly no longer exists .. the entire sim was open to the public .. far as i know ~& admittedly i wasnt in charge & may notuv been aware of all that went on~ nothing serious ever happened there .. worst thing was when Iky used that avvie magnent on me .. when i told my sister she was goin2 ban him but i asked her not to .. so what do you all do to get griefers after you ?? Jeanne

onewith Slingshot wrote: Mine is all the ceatived .... OMG I am amazed every time I go exploring and seeing what people have done here....all the wonderful people from all over the world bring their creative to the table called sl..Please tell me what is your favorite part or place in sl.I love all the photographers toooooooooo OMG ((((((Just Awesome)))))):smileyhappy: im still amazed at being able to fly !! flying was the very 1st thing that amazed me about SL & it still does .. i like being able to fall hundreds or thousands of meters & not be injured .. i like being able to breathe underwater .. i like being able to dance all evening & not be worn out .. i LOVE all the music i get to hear in SL .. & the interesting & cool ppl i get to meet & chat with .. from all over the world! i love the parties iv attended .. like HippieStock 2 back in Jan .. thanks Hippie !! .. & the new yrs eve ball .. & other great parties .. i like that theres no dirt in SL .. no messes .. nothing to clean up .. i like taking pictures in SL & posting them to facebook .. i like exploring around & seeing different sims .. i like being able to have sex & not worry a bout stds or pregnancy ~well unless you & your partner has the Mama Allpa hud .. & then an abortion is as easy as clicking the mouse~Haha !! i DO love my Zoobie baby Jaques tho i like putting outfits 2gether & being blonde 1 day & a redhead the next .. i love the castle on the Lexicolo sim that has the shrine to my Lady Vanadís .. most of all i love my SL sisters who are DJs & have been so very generous & kind to me .. Thanks! CJ & Leslie .. LOVE YOU ~~♥³ @Peggy: great post !! Jeanne

Innula Zenovka wrote: I think what must have happened, from your description, is that you and the cat hit the 80 meter barrier. To my mind, unless you'd been banned from the parcel by name, you should have been able to fly up to 90 meters, then flown over to where Ramona was and tried to get her to follow you back into your sister's parcel. See https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Limits (the section on Land). Certainly, though, the controls on object entry are completely separate from those limiting the entry of avatars. Ah! yeah .. i bet youre right .. she wasnt all that high up .. i didnt think to go higher & try to get her .. thanks !! Jeanne

Innula Zenovka wrote: It sounds to me, from your description, as if your problem with your cat wasn't so much to do with ban lines as with the parcel owners not allowing objects that weren't set to their landgroup to enter the parcel. That's a basic bit of land management for people who want to avoid griefing objects being dropped there (which would have been just as much a nuisance for you and your sister as for the owners of the land -- more so, in fact, since you'd have had to wait for the owners to return them). thanks Innula .. im sure youre right .. but Ramona was on the other side of those ban lines & was bouncing up & down in the air & she was on follow so she should have flown away with me but she didnt seem to be able to cross the yellow lines or bars .. im not exactly sure how CJ got her back but i dont think she had to ask the other ppl to return her .. i could be wrong about that tho .. once when i was swimming i had Ramona on follow & she was swimming beside me & i swam up close to the edge of the sim & she disappeared .. my sis got her back that time too .. a club owner who has a white Zooby cat said that yeah .. its possible for them to "fall off" the edge of the sim & that has happened to her cat be4 .. but up in the air was in the middle of the sim .. where the 4 quarters come together .. i have 'land management' privileges but my sister has been in SL for a long time & knows all about stuff like that .. so i just let her do it Jeanne

Drake1 Nightfire wrote: 1. you lost your cat because it landed on someone elses property. 2. you can camm into other parcels and see exactly what is going on, if you see a violation report it. 3. s, you wouldn't mind if came and squatted on your land with my skybox then? 4. kinda like locks in RL doors huh. I bet that pisses you off too. Not being able to walk into someones house and watch their tv and eat their food, play on their bed. Grow up. 1. Jessica Chung "owns" the entire sim .. she just has it divided up in2 quarter she rents to ppl .. but you know very well that theres no "property" to be owned .. its just a simulation coded for on servers owned or leased by Linden Lab 2. i cant see what goes on behind walls .. and i dont file ARs .. theyre a waste of time .. 3. i wouldnt mind at all .. my skyhouse is @ 600 m .. put yours @ 1000 m if you want .. but youd better clear it w/ my sisters 1st .. i dont know if theyd mind or not 4. LoL me & my 1st SL bf use2 have sex on ppls virtual beds when we explored around deserted sims .. it didnt leave a mess .. RL would be a different story !! :catlol: if we Grew Up wed all stop playing cartoon games Drake Jeanne

Robert69 Little wrote: Yes.. 4 months.. long months.. I even attempted to protest against these people at the welcome areas where they hangout...in hopes they would leave me alone.. draw attention from Linden Lab.. it's was all a waste of time... they abused me at the welcome areas as well.. without any fears of Linden Lab doing anything of abuse reports.. following me now to venues.. crashing the sims... telling their victims.. I payed them to do it....changing display names to mine.. so people think it is me at first glance of these attacks.. rezzing prims they managed to get that have my name on them. A few accounts have been banned.. but they just create new ones time and time again.. it's an endless problem.. Linden Lab.. does nothing... they are sitting in the welcome areas laughing at their victims. It's truely sad.. with all the problems going on in real life.. these people have nothing better to do than to ruin a game that was meant for fun. So the last time I attempt to speak about these problems here in the forums.. I was told.. I bought these problems into myself.. yeah.. I opened a live music venue, lost a live music venue.. and I'm still being harassed.. and Linden Lab does NOTHING to get this problem resolved once and for all...They have no control over these NONE. sorry to hear Robert .. ~hugggzzz~~ ~ ps .. i love live music in SL !! Jeanne

Theresa Tennyson wrote: So, what you're saying is you don't like ban lines because the interfered with a piece of imaginary "property" that you "bought" in SL? ; ) i dont like ban lines because they made me lose my cat i dont like ban lines because they allow people to engage in illegal sexual ageplay and to violate LL's ToS in other ways i dont like ban lines because they foster this "mine" versus "yours" mentality that i find detestable i dont like ban lines because they interfer with my ability to explore around & see things in SL Jeanne

Robert69 Little wrote: I'll try not to attract trolls now.. but how many people are there to handle abuse reports on any given day? Would you consider it Harassment if someone changed their display name to "yours" and then goes around causing trouble at venues? I don't understand why Linden Lab has done nothing to address the fact people are getting around being banned by generating a new IP address/ second life account.. only to cause people problems. How many more years will pass before Linden Lab can get Second Life under control/block generated IP addresses and disable the ability to change a display name to match that of someone else? This is truly ridiculous.. millions of dollars earned per year.. as Linden Lab sits back and allows a select few people ruin the game and the reputation of others (me) who worked very hard to promote not only Second Life Live Music.. but Second Life in general... after 4 months of abuse without any help/concerns shown from Linden Lab.. I may need to find another virtual world where I can live my life in peace. sorry this has happened to you Robert .. as you may know in 2010 Linden Lab laid off 30% of their employees .. @ the time they had ~350 employes so these layoffs reduced their staff by ~100 ppl .. they said that the layoffs were intended to "strengthen our profitability." with such a small staff .. mostuv whom presumably are techies who keep the servers running .. how many ppl do you think they can devote to reading & responding to ARs? a handful? few or none on any given day ?? i dunno .. but it cant be very many i look @ SL as being the Wild West .. anything goes! unless someone files an AR against it & IF LL reads it & does something about it .. sometimes they do but usually not .. in your case apparently not .. this is why i never bother to file ARs .. what good do they do? its not like iv ever been seriously griefed tho .. i had someone give me a robot that took all my clothes off in a dance club once .. & i had a guy use an avatar magnet on me .. big deal !! in your case the harassment you describe is a much bigger deal & LL ought to deal with the situation .. but will they? maybe maybe not if you find a better virtual world than SL .. please let us know !! Jeanne