JeanneAnne

Leia36 wrote: Gesture spaming drives me insane, yesterday I was with a few girlfriends at a live jazz club, the singer had to stop the show to ask a few gesturbators to quit or leave and it seems to be getting worse. That's what I like about Ambrosia, the gestures are regulated and muted, the people and staff are very friendly and the music and DJs are in my opinion the best in SL. My favorite live shows to go to with my partner are Gina G's. She gets my vote, wherever she performs. I love Frankys as well, dancing to the classics with the one you love has a dream like quality all its own. quite thrilling. thank you Leia! .. ill check out Ambrosia & Frankys !! :womanwink: Jeanne

Charolotte Caxton wrote: Everytime I come across an interesting discussion, I see a post by you and I have to bypass it because of your insistence in typing like an imbecile. You do the community a disservice by trying to be cool. Type normal, it is ok. i dont care if you read my posts or not Charolotte .. my self-expression doesnt need your approval :catvery-happy: Jeanne

Perrie Juran wrote: This is why all children should be kept in straight jackets and on a leash and /or in a cage until they are certified to be safe to unleash upon society. But then again, many of us adults would still be waiting for certification. I probably would. My favorite RL T Shirt reads: "I'm Only Disguised As A Responsible Adult." i have 2 younger brothers ... i woulduv certainly agreed about keeping them leashed or in strait jackets when they were ltl !! Jeanne

Perrie Juran wrote: One of my favorites used to be this one SIM that had this giant Blender/Food Processor thingy. I loved taking new friends to it. You'd sit on the pose ball and find yourself being lowered into the blender as the blades spun around. The visuals did get a little gory and I know sounds weird, but it was funny as hell when you got spit out of the blender onto a giant food cart. Maybe you had to be there to see it. I'm not sure if that SIM exists any more. Will have to see if I can find it again. Haha !! yeah .. @ halloween theres things like that .. a refrigerator that will eat you .. & Seymore the ppl eating plant .. pretty gory !! but all in fun Jeanne

Perrie Juran wrote: Last night when I logged in all my fiends were either preoccupied or not on. After moping around my (not finished) skybox for a little bit I found myself walking in circles in it. Not good I thought to myself. So I decided time to go explore. I had an awesome time. Saw some great things and learned some fascinating Second Life History. Like for instance, did you know that in the early days of SL the Residents used to pay a 'prim tax?' I had such a good time that once I get myself organized I plan on starting a thread about my adventure last night. All you have to do is take a little bit of time and look. There is always something to do in SL. i was bored the other day so i went to this elven sim .. it was very pretty but was deserted .. so i went exploring around & found these places where i could pose for fotographs .. so i took a pic of myself looking sad .. then crying .. then looking really sad .. & then i jumped in the water where there was this crockagator thingie .. i went to the bottom so i "flew" up to the surface & hovered there like i was treading water .. then i lined up the cam angles so that it looked like the Crockagator was after me w/ its mouth open .. then i 'sat' on the gater & took a pic of it eating me !! i titled this series of pics "Goodbye Cruel SL" & posted em on FB .. 2 fb friends IMed me asking me if i was ok .. was i depressed or something? was i really leaving SL? i told em im fine .. that it was SPOZED to be funny ... ~sheesh~ well .. @ least i wasnt bored for a few minutes ... Jeanne

Zaphod Kotobide wrote: whats the point of having a rating system then ?? To inform consumers about the nature of the content, and to assist parents in making informed parenting decisions. At the end of the day, it is still entirely about being a parent. Ratings systems don't replace that. if it doesnt inform the consumer about user created content then its fraudulent parents often are @ work when their kids get home from school & get on the computer .. or kids have their own laptops in their bedrooms w/ the doors shut .. or parents are exhausted or drunk or out partying while kids are online .. or parents are just ignorant when it comes to computers compared to their kids ..... so some parent sees a mature rating on a game & tells their kid not to play that game .. so the kid becomes intrigued & the next time the parent isnt looking they lie about their age get an account & start blasting one another or having pixel slex .. great system !! :catlol: Jeanne

Venus Petrov wrote: Many residents enjoy listening to music...be it by a live artist or spun by a DJ. What are a couple of your favorite venues to hear music and why? It is no secret to those who have read the forum that I am a DJ. I have worked in several clubs, many which, sadly, are no longer. The club I have worked at the longest (3 years) is Ambrosia Dance Club. It is open 24/7 with DJs from around the world. The music is diverse as are the patrons. While it is on an M-rated sim, the dancers do not strip. The club opened over four years ago and is still going strong. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ambrosia%20Dance%20Club/196/121/686 Where do you like to go and why? my sisters are DJs who mostly play private gigs & fundraisers .. i follow them to their gigs & dont usually go to clubs unless they are DJing there .. the one exception was the Riverside Blues Club .. i continued to go there even after my sister quit DJing there .. it was fun & the ppl were very friendly .. sadly Riverside closed last sunday .. i will really miss it so the past few days iv been TPing to clubs .. i want to find somewhere to hang out to replace Riverside .. so far iv yet to find a place i can even tolerate .. leta lone like .. the clubs iv been in have been cliquish, the gesturbation incessant & annoying, &/or the music insipid & repetitive .. i have my own 24/7 icecast stream as do both my sisters .. plus i have the urls in VLC for several DJs i liked from Riverside .. i know of no club that plays as consistently good music as we stream ourselves .. i would be perfectly content to just dance @ my own place w/ my own music streaming ..... cept .. its lonely id love to find a nice club w/ friendly ppl & good music i could hang out @ .. so if you know of any please let me know & ill check it out !! Thanks ... Jeanne

zwagy wrote: Can someone explain to me how to build with a free account? I can't figure it out. How can I contact that blind lady I read about somewhere on here, I guess in the blogs section, who is also mentally ill or challenged who had someone upload recrodings of her thoughts that were originally on cassette tapes? I'd like to meet her. Does someone else have to do everything for her? I sure have a hard enough getting around in this place and I have a normal mind! That last statement isn't to put that lady down. go2 a sandbox .. open the build tools .. rezz a prim .. move, rotate or stretch it just like editing shoes to fit .. then slap a texture on it .. if you want it to move or do anything you need to attach a script & i dont know anything about that .. if you dont rent or own land to put your thingie you built on youll need to save it to inv .. or just delete it .. if you practice & get good @ building stuff you might find someone who wants to buy what you build .. but as others have pointed out .. it isnt worth your time .. get a job flipping burgers & just buy stuff that someone else has already built Jeanne

Zaphod Kotobide wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: anything less than an Adult rating would be lying thers Adult content on G sims .. & its uber easy for kids to lie about their age if Steam rates SL less than A the rating system is meaningless Jeanne There isn't a game in existence in the entire Universe that has adult content which isn't "uber easy" for kids to access. Second Life isn't unique in that regard, by any stretch. That would include ESRB rated games currently in the Steam catalog that might contain user-generated Adult content. I think that's probably why ESRB seems to focus on the game publisher's content in determining its rating. whats the point of having a rating system then ?? Jeanne

Aethelwine wrote: ... I sit back on my boat Open sea I make a couple of sim boundary crossing before just losing all control and plowing forward in a straight line on to land and through peoples houses ... ... Haha! a boat that sails on land & plows thru houses !! i want a boat like that! sounds like lag tho ... i have a shark that comes outuv the water & swims on land .. i think i dont have it set properly but i dont want to change it .. a landshark is kinda cool i have a ray that isnt set properly either .. it flys up outuv the water & dives back in & my gull flies into the mountain & comes back out in a different place i like it when things dont work like theyre spozed to .. but are all that much cooler cuzuv it Jeanne

Monti Messmer wrote: Pardon 1920 and Nazis ? 19twentIES Monti .. could be 1929 .. there were Nazis by then .. werent there? i dont really know .. was be4 my time Jeanne EDIT: ok .. sorry .. just read Jo's thingie about Nazis in the sim .. personally .. i HATE Nazis .. im glad that LL doesnt allow neo-Nazis & skinheads & swastikas .. but on a historical sim that strives to be authentic .. its a different story .. if there were Nazis they would be someone to spy on .. not necessarily fight outright .. but they would allow intrigue .. espionage .. would lend a dramatic tension .. could be fun! if handled right .. Jeanne

cool project Jo .. & good job! Thanks !! Jeanne

hey Jo .. i visited your sim !! was goin2 post a pic i took there but its too big .. anyway .. heres some comments .... i dont much like sims where i cant fly .. you should enable flying Berlin Project sim wasnt very 'pretty' .. but then i suppose Berlin in the 1920s wasnt a pretty place .. run down old euro city .. i saw some rats running around .. some dumpy places .. some nice stuff too tho i was goin2 say that the sim was completely deserted but as i wandered around pretty much @ random some other avatars came into my 96 m radar .. so there were @ least 3 or 4 other ppl there .. i didnt approach any cuz i figured theyd boot me for not being in costume .. actually i was goin2 say i was a Gypsy .. or a Bohemian .. if any1 got after me whats w/ "NO NAZIS" !?!? i expected Nazis .. specially since 'harm' is enabled .. why is harm enabled if there are no Nazis to fite? who do you fite with if not Nazis? i think you should have Nazis to spy on the sim was a bit laggy .. which surprised me .. specially w/ no1 else nearby .. im not too use2 lag w/ my new computer .. not unless im in a really crowded place .. the health meter said the reason for the lag was 'images loading' so yeah .. if i stood still it went away .. but then became laggy again when i started moving around anyhow .. just some impressions off the topuv my head .. good luck with your sim !! Jeanne

oh cool !! ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn !!! Jeanne

Aethelwine wrote: I bought a boat and got myself a parcel with water access to the blake sea a couple of months ago. Not once have I managed to sail there. I made it three quarters of the way once before crashing. Today it took me nearly 5 mins to get out of the harbour across the sim boundary and then struggled over a couple of sim crossings before crashing. I have tried to fly back to where i started thinking it possible i might find my yacht to get back in or at least retrieve it so as not to be littering the place and in a no scripted outfit I have crashed twice trying to cross boundaries. The problem just seems to get worse and worse. I can't be the only one suffering these problems? Is this something to do with pathfinding and Magnum servers or something? When will Sim crossings get better? i belong to a sailing club & have a sailboat that was given to me .. i dont even bother sailing it cuz every time the club goes out i read in group chat all about how horrible sim crossings are & how many times everyone is crashing .. so i just go to the dance parties afterwards .. many who try to sail end up just giving up & tping to the party anyway Jeanne

Celestiall Nightfire wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: What gives you a right to know? What stake do you have in LL? How would you determine what is a "bloated" amount? What would you do or say if you discovered that the compensation was actually sub par? I'm assuming you have a job. Did you settle for a minimum wage position or did you look for something more lucrative? i have a right to know how much the parasites are sucking 1) LL is not a parasite. A parasite relationship is where only one participant benefits, and the other is harmed. A parasite if something that feeds off of a host. Usually weakening, irritating and damaging the host in small increments, but not enough to kill it. This arrangement varies for length of time, but normally ends when the host either dies, or the parasite moves on to a different stage in it's life-cycle. Examples for humans are tapeworms, head lice, and bed bugs. A parasite attaches to, bites, or enters the host and is not wanted by the host. 2) LL is a symbiont. In symbiosis, two of more biological species interact with a mutualism, which benefits all participants. People log into SL of their own free will. No one is forced to be in SL, nor are they forced to spend money in SL. Each person that logs into SL does so because they benefit in some way. Some people have businesses, some do education, or socialize, performs or listen to music, etc. Jeanne, you have stated many times in these forms that you enjoy SL and you and your sisters do all manner of things inworld, including DJ jobs, family RP and other activities. Businesses, whether they are small or large, only exist because people do business with them. The relationship is one of mutual benefit. One voluntarily exchanges money for good or services. But, it does not even have to be traditional "money" that is exchanged. One can exchange labor or other goods. There are lots of business models that vary from the traditional one of currency exchanges. But, what they all have in common, is that they are voluntary, and each participant benefits in some way. good post CN !! the distinctions between parastism & mutualism are never absolute .. whatever favors the Darwinian fitness of each symbiont involved will be selected for .. what favors fitness depends on many factors such as vertical or horizontal mode of transmission, population size, host specificity .. etc .. sometimes its in the fitness interest of the parasite to kill its host quickly .. sometimes not .. likewise its often in the fitness interest of the host to tolerate a certain parasitic burden for the sake of maintaining some degree of immunity .. thanks for discussing biology with me !! youre correct about there being a degree of mutualism involved to the relationship between me & others to SL .. i do enjoy the fun i have in SL .. i still contend that this mutualism is so one sided that it constitutes parasitism tho .. while i may enjoy some entertainment from SL there are others getting rich off it .. & what do those parasites really contribute? its the programmers & technicians actually involved in the nitty gritty of keeping the grid running .. not the bigshot money suckers who make the poor decisions that negatively effect us all Jeanne

Sassy Romano wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: as for running costs .. a very rough estimate made months ago in this forum came to about $15 per month each .. some assumptions went into that estimate & i dont know how reasonable those assumptions were .. but i think that $15 per month is in the ballpark Which is more than the current premium membership of which many, such as yourself, choose not to pay. How would you then propose to make this idea viable if there are those who carry the cost while others play for free? LL certainly won't give it away, that's not a thought out rational idea at all, they have capital investors who will want an ROI and giving away their investment isn't it. The reality is that you have no stake in SL. You don't pay, nor are you a shareholder so cannot vote. The costs involved are really not something that seems to come naturally to you, datacentre running costs and software developers (more than just "technicians" to change back up tapes here) are required and by the time you've ended up with a team on board to look after it, you have effectively re-employed the LL staff. Others have commented about there being no need to disclose financials but where I live, I can request the financial records of companies from the office where they have to be registered annually, i'm sure the same exists in the US. Go through the accounts and bring some realistic figures to the table, I suspect you'd be somewhat surprised. paying a premium membership fee gives you no say in how the corporation is run .. being a member of a members owned cooperative would give you a say in how the cooperative was run .. i would expect a certain number of people to leave SL if they had to pay a membership fee .. but i would also expect other people to be drawn to a virtual world in which they had a say in how it was run .. i would expect that most of those who chose to leave would be non-paying users & those with a major stake in the toy economy .. which wouldnt exist anymore im not so sure .. SL is in decline & a positive feedback is in operation: the more SL declines the more the factors contributing to that decline predominate & the faster the decline occurs .. a tier strike could accelerate this process to the point where LL might be willing to give SL to a users consortium since they were going bankrupt anyway .. or at the very least it might make the price they ask for SL more affordable yes i do .. my stake in SL is the enjoyment i receive from playing SL .. which is considerable .. & the risk of loss of that enjoyment .. LL mismanagement risks all of us who enjoy SL loosing the stake we have in it .. & the fact is that you currently have no vote even if you do pay to play SL .. my proposal would change that i would say that i have a clear view of the real costs involved in running SL because i count those costs as carbon footprint & other environmental costs that most "externalize" & dont even consider .. if we rehire the LL staff i propose giving them a raise & increasing their benefits thats a good suggestion Sassy .. i wish someone would go to the trouble to do the research you suggest .. not me tho .. too tedious Jeanne

Celestiall Nightfire wrote: LL is a privately owned company. As such, they have no obligation to share company information with the public. I've worked off and on for my mother's company (which is privately owned by her and her business partner) and she doesn't even share all the details with her own family members. Nor, should she have to. Privately owned means just that...private. If you want to contact LL and make an offer to buy the company, and if your offer is serious, then perhaps they would share information with you. If you want to start a user owned Co-Op type virtual world, then Open Sim, would be the place to do it. There are already several co-op type grid arrangements out there...I belong to a Sci-Fi grid which operates under a similar umbrella group. & i have no obligation to give em a cent of real money .. so long as LL is a secretive authoritarian sociopathic cash sucking corporation .. they dont deserve a cent of real money from me .. if you dont mind transfering wealth to em then please do! same goes for your moms company i dont want to make LL an offer .. i want residents & players to organize, set up a non-profit consortium, collect dues or fees .. & for the non-profit cooperative to make the offer i talked to my brother about hosting an open sim type grid .. he has 2 young children & doesnt have time for it .. i prolly will explore other virtual worlds eventually .. & if i find something i like better than SL ill be thrilled .. for the time being tho .. i like SL .. i just dont like the corporation that milks it as a cash cow w/out dealing w/ griefers or providing any useful user assistance & who arbitrarily imposes ToS w/out any input about what WE want Jeanne

anything less than an Adult rating would be lying thers Adult content on G sims .. & its uber easy for kids to lie about their age if Steam rates SL less than A the rating system is meaningless Jeanne

Perrie Juran wrote: What gives you a right to know? What stake do you have in LL? How would you determine what is a "bloated" amount? What would you do or say if you discovered that the compensation was actually sub par? I'm assuming you have a job. Did you settle for a minimum wage position or did you look for something more lucrative? i have a right to know how much the parasites are sucking .. why shouldnt you & i know? if they werent ashamed of themselves over how much theyre exploiting their employees & those who support them by paying tier .. they wouldnt wouldnt hide this information i have a stake in SL because i like it .. LL rules SL like some 3rd world dictator .. i have a stake in knowing what theyre up to so i can oppose them .. i wouldnt care if i didnt like SL anything above the mean reimbursement of the population is bloated "sub par" compared to what? to the minimum wage? to the mean wages of the People? sub par relative to the online gaming community? wouldnt surprise me one bit that LL pays ther employees less than most gaming companies do i took a job that was offered to me & i was qualified for .. it pays more than minimum wage but doesnt pay all that well .. especially since i had to move away from home & pay rent in order to take it .. it pays just enuf to cover my expenses & ltl more .. iv thota bout looking for something that pays better but iv thot even more about quitting & just going home & living like i use2 Jeanne

Innula Zenovka wrote: JeanneAnne wrote: some assumptions went into that estimate & i dont know how reasonable those assumptions were ..<snip> overall operating expenses would be reduced when bloated corporate salaries & shareholder dividend payments were eliminated Jeanne What assumptions did you make about "bloated corporate salaries & shareholder dividend payments" that Linden Research may or may not be paying? I don't think that information is publicly available. When do you say they last paid a dividend to shareholders and how large was it? why isnt this information publically available? what are they hiding ?? the assumptions i referred to have to do with how many residents & players would buy into a user owned cooperative .. how many we would have to divide operating expenses between .. what percentage of concurrent players would contribute .. things like that Jeanne

Innula Zenovka wrote: It's a well-known fact that mathematics is all a plot by the bourgeoisie to hoodwink the workers! its true Innula! or rather .. the keeping of the proletariate intentionally innumerate via piss poor public mathematics education is the plot .. i have a Bachelors of Science in Applied Math / Stats & i appreciate you recognizing one of the myriad ways in which the ruling economic class exploits the working class by depriving them of mathematical competency Jeanne

Sassy Romano wrote: Drake1 Nightfire wrote: So tell me, since you think it should all be free in SL, who would be paying out of their own pocket for these servers, tech support, and maintenance? No I read it that it should be owned by "us" as a cooperative. Hypothetical back of a postage stamp sums. Lets say LL want $10,000,000 (a ridiculously LOW figure for SL) Lets say that there are 250,000 active users who would be willing to pay (a ridiculously hugely optimistic figure) That's $400 EACH and that's before the running costs. All of a sudden it's not very "free". Open Grid is over there... i have no idea how much SL is "worth" .. i actually think that LL could be induced to GIVE SL to an user owned cooperative .. it might be a better option for them than bankruptcy .. but even if we had to contribute $400 each to buy SL .. thats not bad .. id pony up 400 bucks to be a co-owner of SL along w/ all the brothers & sisters who love it .. as is .. im not contributing one CENT to the corporate vampire as for running costs .. a very rough estimate made months ago in this forum came to about $15 per month each .. some assumptions went into that estimate & i dont know how reasonable those assumptions were .. but i think that $15 per month is in the ballpark no .. SL wouldnt be expense free if we owned it .. techicians salaries & electricity bills must be paid .. but overall operating expenses would be reduced when bloated corporate salaries & shareholder dividend payments were eliminated .. as is tho .. SL IS free for me .. i dont contribute one cent so long as a parasitic corporation imposes the terms .. i would be willing to pay tho .. if WE were the ones making the decisions Jeanne

Drake1 Nightfire wrote: You really don't think that people in your "brave new world" wouldn't want privacy and the ability to keep strangers out of their homes? You really think the general populace of SL could buy out LL? you honestly believe the teir paying people of SL would go on a "teir strike" because you said so? You're nuttier than a fruit cake. So tell me, since you think it should all be free in SL, who would be paying out of their own pocket for these servers, tech support, and maintenance? why would they? i have plenty of privacy where i live .. no1 ever comes there unless i invite them .. if someone showed up id chat w/ em .. my sisters & i dont have ban lines up or any sortuv 'security' nonsense set up .. its paranoid .. ppl cant make messes in other ppls spaces .. they cant steal anything .. so what difference does it make if others hang out? why even consider it "mine"? this possessiveness & paranoia is ridiculous .. its just a game remember ?? yes! why not? yes! what do they have to loose besides an expense? by boycotting tier the People could bring the corporate ogre to its knees .. you think im nuts because you cant see beyond the very mindset or socioeconomic paradigm that oppresses you .. youre so thoroly inculcated to the dominance/submission culture thats collared you that you think that freedom is nuts .. whats nuts is people like you submissively accepting your subordinate status to your corporate overlords .. you have had your thinking so utterly twisted by your socialization that you think that life on your knees is freedom and that freedom is nuts .. & i say THATs "nuttier than a fruitcake" all of us who play SL would pay .. in an earlier thread i very roughly estimated that it would cost each of us ~$15 per month to pay tech salaries & cover electricity & other expenses .. each of us would pay a monthly user fee & the toy economy would be abolished .. each resident would be equal, thered be no private 'ownership' of 'property' & no L$ thats my proposal .. mock it if you will .. but remember if you do that your reactionary objections only mark you as someone so abjectly submissive unto your oppressor that you appear pathetic to your free minded peers Jeanne

Salem Loxely wrote: I was curious about getting a premium membership because of all the "perks." Can those of you who have Premium tell me what your likes and dislikes are? I also thought maybe it would be a good way to meet some new friends, going to the Premium only areas. Thoughts? iv never had a premium membership so maybe my opinion doesnt count .. but i dont see the point of paying a membership fee when you dont hav2 .. the house is cheap .. the ltl piece of land doesnt allow enuf prims for it to be useful & if you need that L$300 per week just go ahead & buy lindens .. personally i think its really very easy to have a quality SL experience w/out spending any real money on it .. if you want to support the corporation thats up to you .. but you dont hav2 .. you can play for free if you want Jeanne