Persephone Emerald Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: A question, if you were beaten up because someone thought you were gay, but you were actually straight, is it still a hate crime? heaven forbid the supreme court rules in favor states rights 😂 Yes. This is still legally defined as a hate crime. Someone might be attacked for seeming to be something other than what they actually are. That's still a hate crime because of the motive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 3 minutes ago, SabrinaCooke said: 5 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Chris confronted about this and I liked his post. I'm not not accepting a gentle correction because I thought she was Japanese instead of Korean. What I'm not accepting is your onslaught of trying to control me. Please stop. LOL trying to control you by offering a correction when you mentioned it *again*? Onslaught? Dramatic much, Luna? Talk about reaching, especially when this entire thread has been about identity politics and peoples reactions to it. Her nationality is as much a part of her as her orientation, and you seem fine with acknowledging that, so why can't you acknowledge this? Oh for sure, Sabrina -- her identity is as important when considering issues of oppression - but that's not what this thread is about. This is a thread about a bad experience with Pride (meaning LGBTQ+ issues). I certainly don't like the fact that I mislabeled her, but I don't feel bad about it. It's difficult to tell the difference (for me) between Korean and Japanese characters: HOLO Being alone is being still 홀로 있는 게 가만히 있는 게 is it difficult 어려운 일인가요 Alone or together 홀로 있어도 같이 있어도 I feel lonely 외로운 건 같아요 One day it will stop One day it will stop as you say as you think 말하는 대로 생각한 대로 isn't it 되는 것 아닌가요 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJBear Bitey Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Question: Why do people keep talking about a Chris or Christiano? I thought the person posting in this thread was a Cristiano. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PJBear Bitey said: 36 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I actually introduced her as a Japanese lezbean woman (as I said before, I'm not sure if that word is censored on the forum, and so I said 'gay woman' here). Honestly, I think that word freaked her out (lezbean)...maybe she's a closet lezbean..lol. But seriously, apparently hearing this was just too sexual for her to deal with, given sex is 'icky' to her. Did you block everyone who happened to point out that she is not Japanese, and is, in fact, Korean? no...not sure what you mean here...why would I do that? Or are you making a joke? Edited June 16 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJBear Bitey Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: no...not sure what you mean here.. Yeah, the thread got away from me. I was responding to something you already, later, addressed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Alpha Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) 27 minutes ago, SabrinaCooke said: Maybe because misidentifying someone as a completely different nationality that was oppressed for so long by the one you called her by is insensitive? Many Koreans still have bad memories of the war. I thought your agenda was supposed to be love? Where is the love--or indeed, the humility--in your refusal to acknowledge that you made a mistake, or to accept a gentle correction of it? Or you could have made it fun and everyone would laugh. Pull a Bobby Lee "I'm Korean, you idiot, look at my eyes, do I look Japanese to you?" He is funny as hell, and knows how to 'educate' people with a laugh instead Here is a similar video: I always love how he reacts on his podcast when this stuff comes up from time to time. Hilarious. Edited June 17 by Codex Alpha 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabrinaCooke Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Oh for sure, Sabrina -- her identity is as important when considering issues of oppression - but that's not what this thread is about. This is a thread about a bad experience with Pride (meaning LGBTQ+ issues). I certainly don't like the fact that I mislabeled her, but I don't feel bad about it. It's difficult to tell the difference (for me) between Korean and Japanese characters: You don't *like* that you misrepresented her nationality, but you don't feel bad about it? But you do feel bad about others mislabeling her orientation? That doesn't make much sense to me. Not to mention, you were able to do a deep enough dive to find out her sexual orientation, but didn't bother to check her nationality. Very odd. Whatever, Luna. You do you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 4 minutes ago, PJBear Bitey said: Question: Why do people keep talking about a Chris or Christiano? I thought the person posting in this thread was a Cristiano. Haha...the US is a Christian nation would be my guess. Or pretends to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SabrinaCooke said: You don't *like* that you misrepresented her nationality, but you don't feel bad about it? But you do feel bad about others mislabeling her orientation? That doesn't make much sense to me. Not to mention, you were able to do a deep enough dive to find out her sexual orientation, but didn't bother to check her nationality. Very odd. That's right...I don't feel bad about it. Like I said, it was an innocent mistake -- I can't read those unusual characters that denote the difference between Korea and Japan, and I'm afraid I know nothing about the strife between Japan and Korea. Have no idea what you mean about my feeling bad about others mislabeling her orientation, or what you really mean here. Others (that woman) simply didn't like her sexuality being mentioned. It's not much of a deep dive to know she's a lesbian if you watch the song we've been discussing, and I was researching for LGBTQ+ songs, not researching or looking for other oppressed groups. Edited June 17 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineffable Mote Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 5 hours ago, Luna Bliss said: Elan, really? Trying to make the world a better place by showcasing the talent of oppressed people is totally about love. Really, and Japanese people aren't Koreans, even when you present them as such in your Second Life classes. I realize that it's illustrative of certain people's self-serving low effort gibberish, and routines like that have nothing to do with love either. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 8 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I don't love shock value. I love being silly sometimes. Like that time on SLU with your posted picture of the sacrificed goat? Fun time that I got a kick out of but you certainly had the old SLU residents incensed! Quote I provided the information necessary to make my point at the time, people questioned and I provided more if it was needed. I see no need to write a dissertation in the beginning of a thread, in fact many have expressed they hate that. Yes on the TL;DR stuff but in this case enough information was left out that it begged the question whether this was an actual Pride issue or just an issue of a resident having problems with descriptions of graphical slex. As you pointed out later, you did pass out a notecard upfront that it was in support of LGBQT artists but that still leaves a lot of room for going too far in your description of it in class that those who are overly sensitive to the slexual to consider it crass and not in good taste for a yoga class. The question is did the class help or hinder the LGBQT's at the end of the day. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 50 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said: As if you were the only trans person who reads these forums? It's an offensive word to most transsexuals or those who love them. If you're fine with it, that's ok for you, but that doesn't make it ok for a public forum. Um, you need to be careful with generalizations. Especially without evidence to back up your claim. I honestly don't know how many don't like it compared to who doesn't mind it, to who actually likes it. But please don't make massive generalizations like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabrinaCooke Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: That's right...I don't feel bad about it. Like I said, it was an innocent mistake -- I can't read those unusual characters that denote the difference between Korea and Japan, and I'm afraid I know nothing about the strife between Japan and Korea. Have no idea what you mean about my feeling bad about others mislabeling her orientation, or what you really mean here. Others (that woman) simply didn't like her sexuality being mentioned. It's not much of a deep dive to know she's a lesbian if you watch the song we've been discussing: They're not "unusual characters," they're another writing system completely. And if you'd actually taken the time to learn more about the artist, then you'd have known that she's Korean. While I applaud the attempt at trying to be more inclusive with your songs/playlist, I also lament that you mislabeled her nationality, plus took offense at a gentle correction as "trying to control you." I wasn't trying to control you, I was trying to educate you on the difference. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moles Dyna Mole Posted June 17 Moles Share Posted June 17 7 minutes ago, SabrinaCooke said: You don't *like* that you misrepresented her nationality, but you don't feel bad about it? 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: That's right...I don't feel bad about it. 2 minutes ago, Ineffable Mote said: Really, and Japanese people aren't Koreans, even when you present them as such in your Second Life classes. I realize that it's illustrative of certain people's self-serving low effort gibberish, and routines like that have nothing to do with love either. That's enough. There's a serious misunderstanding here, but this is not resolving it. Move on, please. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codex Alpha Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Like that time on SLU with your posted picture of the sacrificed goat? Fun time that I got a kick out of but you certainly had the old SLU residents incensed! Yes on the TL;DR stuff but in this case enough information was left out that it begged the question whether this was an actual Pride issue or just an issue of a resident having problems with descriptions of graphical slex. As you pointed out later, you did pass out a notecard upfront that it was in support of LGBQT artists but that still leaves a lot of room for going too far in your description of it in class that those who are overly sensitive to the slexual to consider it crass and not in good taste for a yoga class. The question is did the class help or hinder the LGBQT's at the end of the day. No, it smacks unfortunately of hyper-sensitivity to anyone who simply doesn't agree, or isn't 100% onboard with "The Message". If not then it is the delusion that any ideology will get 100% acceptance ever, and getting upset about it when a disagreement happens again. The result is a chilling effect, or 'walking around eggshells' around these kind of groups, then they wonder why the divide remains. Edited June 17 by Codex Alpha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Just now, SabrinaCooke said: They're not "unusual characters," they're another writing system completely. And if you'd actually taken the time to learn more about the artist, then you'd have known that she's Korean. While I applaud the attempt at trying to be more inclusive with your songs/playlist, I also lament that you mislabeled her nationality, plus took offense at a gentle correction as "trying to control you." I wasn't trying to control you, I was trying to educate you on the difference. I was about to say, that is Korean. Specifically South Korean, not Japanese. That is Hanja, not Kanji. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 This has given me ideas for my next class on Goddesses. Easy enough to find songs for those, but I want to include the cultures these Goddesses sprang from, and their views on sexuality. Often male-female is seen as the same divinity. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istelathis Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: This has given me ideas for my next class on Goddesses. Easy enough to find songs for those, but I want to include the cultures these Goddesses sprang from, and their views on sexuality. Often male-female is seen as the same divinity. This sounds like a fun pursuit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabrinaCooke Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: This has given me ideas for my next class on Goddesses. Easy enough to find songs for those, but I want to include the cultures these Goddesses sprang from, and their views on sexuality. Often male-female is seen as the same divinity. 🙄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Quote I provided the information necessary to make my point at the time, people questioned and I provided more if it was needed. I see no need to write a dissertation in the beginning of a thread, in fact many have expressed they hate that. Yes on the TL;DR stuff but in this case enough information was left out that it begged the question whether this was an actual Pride issue or just an issue of a resident having problems with descriptions of graphical slex. As you pointed out later, you did pass out a notecard upfront that it was in support of LGBQT artists but that still leaves a lot of room for going too far in your description of it in class that those who are overly sensitive to the slexual to consider it crass and not in good taste for a yoga class. The question is did the class help or hinder the LGBQT's at the end of the day. Sinse you are so sexually focused in SL (and not in a good way, IMO) it's likely you think others are. I'm not, however, and would never post a porn song for gods sake. Reaching much? Edited June 17 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said: This has given me ideas for my next class on Goddesses. Easy enough to find songs for those, but I want to include the cultures these Goddesses sprang from, and their views on sexuality. Often male-female is seen as the same divinity. Depends on the culture though. I think Greek and Rome have gods that are either male or female. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Just now, Luna Bliss said: Sinse you are so sexually focused in SL (and not in a good way, IMO) it's likely you think others are. I'm not, however, and would never post a porn song for gods sake. Reaching much? Whoa whoa whoa. What gives you the authority to state what this person does is either good or bad? I mean you are tolerant right? This does not come off as that. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 4 minutes ago, Codex Alpha said: No, it smacks unfortunately of hyper-sensitivity to anyone who simply doesn't agree, or isn't 100% onboard with "The Message". If not then it is the delusion that any ideology will get 100% acceptance ever, and getting upset about it when a disagreement happens again. The result is a chilling effect, or 'walking around eggshells' around these kind of groups, then they wonder why the divide remains. Everybody else liked it...it was just this one woman with sexual issues that had a problem. And as I said earlier, I hope she developed some awareness regarding what Pride is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said: 6 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Sinse you are so sexually focused in SL (and not in a good way, IMO) it's likely you think others are. I'm not, however, and would never post a porn song for gods sake. Reaching much? Whoa whoa whoa. What gives you the authority to state what this person does is either good or bad? I mean you are tolerant right? This does not come off as that. I think you missed out on a thread where this was defined well. No more underage stuff allowed. Edited June 17 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Huntsman Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Just now, Luna Bliss said: I think you missed out on a thread where this was defined well. Maybe try and recap me on what I missed please? Just give me the TLDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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