Discuss or Comments about Child, Adult, Can't Tell Thread

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

22 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Cinnamon, since I find the androgynous example very attractive, I hope they are intended "Adult" (I don't want to be the "creepy type")!  I don't give a lot of compliments in-world since I'm not "that guy", but would probably be brave enough to do so if I ran into one of yours in-world.

I've never made a child avatar and never will.  I can act silly and immature as a full adult. (Just like RL)

And thank you for the compliment 😊

[Coffee Pancake]

27 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

It's more "opinion" than "guessing", I don't think most are trying to "fool us"! 

No, but there is strong feeling in certain groups that young looking avatars are explicitly created to fool and catfish men.

 

[Love Zhaoying]

10 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

39 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

It's more "opinion" than "guessing", I don't think most are trying to "fool us"! 

No, but there is strong feeling in certain groups that young looking avatars are explicitly created to fool and catfish men.

My own US$0.02 :

Some people who seem "paranoid" about the topic, may be afraid to be "caught" catfishing. 🙂

Hey, I'm just throwing it out there.

[Persephone Emerald]

5 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

You CANNOT reasonably expect "average non-otaku people" to have a sodding clue who who "Suki Kabuki" is, or how old they are supposed to be, [snip]

Inuyasha is one of the most well-know Japanese anime series. The animated tv series ran for 7 seasons on the Cartoon Network, Netflix, and Hulu in the US. Just because you don't read or watch anime doesn't mean nobody's heard of the characters from it.

Also, even though this character is a relatively minor one, he exemplifies how older teen and young adult men are often drawn in Japanese manga and anime. These characters are usually tall and thin, with slightly larger heads on thinner necks than in RL, and with youthful and somewhat androgynous features. In Japanese culture, this look is commonly considered attractive, so it features prominently across all media.

Edited May 11 by Persephone Emerald

[Love Zhaoying]

2 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Inuyasha is one of the most well-know Japanese anime series. The animated tv seriesran for 7 seasons on the Cartoon Network, Netflix, and Hulu in the US. Just because you don't read or watch anime doesn't mean nobody's heard of the characters from it.

Also, even though this character is a relatively minor one, he exemplifies how older teen and young adult men are often drawn in Japanese manga and anime. These characters are usually tall and thin, with slightly larger heads on thinner necks than in RL, and with youthful and somewhat androgynous features. In Japanese culture, this look is commonly considered attractive, so it features prominently across all media.

Irony:  In many of the most popular anime that I personally have watched (based on Manga of the same names), the main characters are still "school aged". 

Literally, the characters are still "in school". In some cases, they are the "teacher" but that is an "edge case" (in the example of "GTO", "Great Teacher Onizuka").

 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

11 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said:

is one of the most well-know Japanese anime series. The animated tv series ran for 7 seasons on the Cartoon Network, Netflix, and Hulu in the US

And you just proved my point, not a kid, don't watch cartoon channels, and don't lie in the US.

So I neither know nor care who "Suki Kabuki" is, all I see is a 10 year olds head on a 15 year olds body, I won't know she's based on some bit player in a cartoon I've never heard of or seen, so I'll not know she's "supposed to be 289", it's just a 10 year old head on a 15 yr old body, on an A rated sim, with some Otaku screaming that she's famous and therefore allowed to ignore the ToS.

 

Like I said it's an epic fail of an argument.

"But *cough* everyone *cough* knows [ never heard of them ] from [ never heard of it either ] on the [ never watched that ] in [ country I don't live in ] is 29, so ToS exempts!"

 

[Persephone Emerald]

1 minute ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

And you just proved my point, not a kid, don't watch cartoon channels, and don't lie in the US.

So I neither know nor care who "Suki Kabuki" is, all I see is a 10 year olds head on a 15 year olds body, I won't know she's based on some bit player in a cartoon I've never heard of or seen, so I'll not know she's "supposed to be 289", it's just a 10 year old head on a 15 yr old body, on an A rated sim, with some Otaku screaming that she's famous and therefore allowed to ignore the ToS.

 

Like I said it's an epic fail of an argument.

"But *cough* everyone *cough* knows [ never heard of them ] from [ never heard of it either ] on the [ never watched that ] in [ country I don't live in ] is 29, so ToS exempts!"

Maybe you have reading comprehension difficulties as well as cultural short-sightedness? The poster and I both said this is a male character.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

1 minute ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Maybe you have reading comprehension difficulties as well as cultural short-sightedness? The poster and I both said this is a male character.

Don't know or care, how would I KNOW it's supposed to be male, or female or a dog, if I've NEVER heard of it?

What if I mention some obscure character you never heard of from some work of fiction you've never seen or read, will you automatically know it's supposed to be a certain gender or age? No. because...

You've never heard of it.

So you'll judge it on it's appearance. Does it look like it's over 18.

 

 

[Coffee Pancake]

56 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

My own US$0.02 :

Some people who seem "paranoid" about the topic, may be afraid to be "caught" catfishing. 🙂

... and i would put money on femboys being reported by previous sexual partners, shameful for succumbing to "the gay".

[Coffee Pancake]

16 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Don't know or care, how would I KNOW

But you're fine leaping to a judgement that if followed though, deprives someone of access to the entire platform, forever.

[Cinnamon Mistwood]

31 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Irony:  In many of the most popular anime that I personally have watched (based on Manga of the same names), the main characters are still "school aged". 

Literally, the characters are still "in school". In some cases, they are the "teacher" but that is an "edge case" (in the example of "GTO", "Great Teacher Onizuka").

 

I have experienced this as well.  Many of the anime series I've watched the characters ARE children and you can tell those child characters apart from any adult characters in the shows.

Yes, I'm a grown woman who watches anime.  I love all kinds of animated shows and movies, but even I can look at an avatar inworld and believe it is representing a child anime character and not an adult anime character. 

None of my opinions change how people see themselves inworld and they shouldn't.

The risk is their's to take.

[Persephone Emerald]

23 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Don't know or care, how would I KNOW it's supposed to be male, or female or a dog, if I've NEVER heard of it?

What if I mention some obscure character you never heard of from some work of fiction you've never seen or read, will you automatically know it's supposed to be a certain gender or age? No. because...

You've never heard of it.

So you'll judge it on it's appearance. Does it look like it's over 18.

@Devilgrey's picture and Miroku from Inuyasha both look like young adult Japanese males to me.

Is it the flowers on the jacket in the picture above or the Sengoku period priest robes in the lower picture that confuse you?

I also said in my post:

"...even though this character is a relatively minor one, he exemplifies how older teen and young adult men are often drawn in Japanese manga and anime. These characters are usually tall and thin, with slightly larger heads on thinner necks than in RL, and with youthful and somewhat androgynous features. In Japanese culture, this look is commonly considered attractive, so it features prominently across all media."

We're both referring to a male character.

p.s.

The title character, Inuyasha, is the half dog-demon. You can tell by his ears.

Edited May 11 by Persephone Emerald

[Ayashe Ninetails]

Anime's tricky because you've got to look beyond the face for context, in many cases, just given how they're drawn. There are some instances, though, where very subtle changes are made to shading, facial expression, face shape, or hair color that can help age them.

SL's a bit different as I'm not sure if anyone uses tricks like that in the form of BOM highlight/shadow and expressions with their anime heads to do it, but if not, then you go by the rest of the avatar (style of dress is a big clue, and AO/poses can help).

Whipping out good ole Phoenix as an example.

 

[Blush Bravin]

10 hours ago, Fluffy Sharkfin said:

 

I haven't posted in the avatar picture thread yet but as an example here's a slightly larger version of my profile picture (I would consider my avatar to be around late teens early twenties)...

...the person on the right (added for comparison and because I was surprised by the similarity) is 25 years old.

 

If you had posted this in that other thread, I would have said can't tell; however, I do see the resemblance to the RL pic you posted. To me the RL pic looks like a very youthful looking woman somewhere in her very late teens to early 20s. The reason I would question your avatar is the close proximity of your nose and mouth and the largeness of your eyes in comparison to your head. As we age our faces get longer which ages us. The issue in SL is that a large majority of people place the mouth pretty close the nose, me included.  

Edited May 11 by Blush Bravin

[Blush Bravin]

1 hour ago, Persephone Emerald said:

I'm familiar with the manga style of drawing. What I'm not familiar with is the lore that accompanies the genre. So it's very hard for me to gauge age on anything but the proportions used for the face and body.

For the pic above in indicated I was confused. To my eye this avatar could be as young as 16 and as old as 20. I'd need more info to make a judgement.

The two below look even younger than the one above mostly due to the mouth and nose in relation to the eyes.

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

In the pics below, I would most certainly see these as adults. Our noses never stop growing as a result the older you are the large the nose. The relation of nose/mouth to eyes seems much more mature to me.

 

*Please see my comments inside the quotes. For someone reason, maybe because I need a nap, I didn't type in the right area.

 

Edited May 11 by Blush Bravin
Sorry! I typed inside the quotes. duh

[Love Zhaoying]

11 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

The reason I would question your avatar is the close proximity of your nose and mouth and the largeness of your eyes in comparison to to your head. As we age our faces get longer which ages us.

Yep plus, the tiny button nose! 

[Persephone Emerald]

10 hours ago, Fluffy Sharkfin said:

Yes, for me the distinction between an actual child and an adult using a child avatar is quite clear and I don't see how anyone could argue that there's a grey area in that respect at all. My only issue with the TOS in regards to toddler type avatars is their potential loss of inventory but I think that is, to at least some degree, unavoidable.

The area I do see as grey is the fact that this, by necessity, extends to teen avatars that might be presenting as adults but are in that "are they or aren't they" category.  I haven't posted in the avatar picture thread yet but as an example here's a slightly larger version of my profile picture (I would consider my avatar to be around late teens early twenties)...

...the person on the right (added for comparison and because I was surprised by the similarity) is 25 years old.

As I said I would consider my avatar to be around late teens to early twenties but I can see how some residents who have very different perceptions of how an "SL adult" should look could estimate it to be younger.

[snip]

As @Blush Bravin says in the post above mine here,^ noses keep growing a bit as we age, so I think if your avatar's nose were a tiny bit longer and down-pointed, she would look older.

RL: The woman behind the counter at my gym this morning looked younger than your RL example picture.

[Ayashe Ninetails]

8 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

In the pics above I would most certainly see these as adults. Our noses never stop growing as a result the older you are the large the nose. The relation of nose/mouth to eyes seems much more mature to me.

Noses are very tricky for me as in some cases, they're just a lil cute > or < or ' lol.

[Love Zhaoying]

23 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

Anime's tricky because you've got to look beyond the face for context, in many cases, just given how they're drawn. There are some instances, though, where very subtle changes are made to shading, facial expression, face shape, or hair color that can help age them.

SL's a bit different as I'm not sure if anyone uses tricks like that in the form of BOM highlight/shadow and expressions with their anime heads to do it, but if not, then you go by the rest of the avatar (style of dress is a big clue, and AO/poses can help).

Whipping out good ole Phoenix as an example.

 

The ages seem reversed. The character without (sunken?) lines around the eyes "should" normally be the younger one!

[Ayashe Ninetails]

4 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

The ages seem reversed. The character without (sunken?) lines around the eyes "should" normally be the younger one!

Go peek at Edgeworth if you think that's mixed up. His 24 version has much lighter gray hair than the 35. Guess he's using Just for Men hair dye these days. 😂

[Love Zhaoying]

15 minutes ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

23 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

The ages seem reversed. The character without (sunken?) lines around the eyes "should" normally be the younger one!

Go peek at Edgeworth if you think that's mixed up. His 24 version has much lighter gray hair than the 35. Guess he's using Just for Men hair dye these days. 😂

Yeah, the hair was a bit confusing too (although I initially looked at the post on my phone).

ETA: I'm reminded of the scene in the Spiderman movie where Dr. Strange was found to use dye!

Edited May 11 by Love Zhaoying

[Devilgrey]

7 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

 

Fixed that for you.

This is without a doubt one of the WORST "but it's JAPANESE, off course it's ADULT" arguments Anime fans reliably give..

 

You CANNOT reasonably expect "average non-otaku people" to have a sodding clue who who "Suki Kabuki" is, or how old they are supposed to be, or why an alleged "29 yr old" is wearing a costume that implies she's only 10 in the "tentacle gangbang scene that's integral to the ARTISTIC theme of the piece and highlights important social issues regarding the flavour sachets on instant ramen packets in Californian High School canteens blah blah blah" because the non-otakus JUST DON'T CARE.

 

Looks like a 10 ear olds head on a 15 year olds body, AR it off the adult regions.

 

why'd you change my quote to be so rude? pretty uncalled for. also like @Persephone Emerald stated inuyasha is pretty well-known.

i realize ppl not familiar with the style aren't going to be easily able to tell the ages bc usually in anime anyone under 30 looks young, past 30 they usually start looking more realistic but it ultimately depends on a particular anime/manga artists style how they depict old/young people. even cartoons character kinda fall into that too, it's usually height, clothes, etc that give away age.

example is Roy revant (age 45) and his daugther rose (young adult 18-22) from solty rei.

cased close which is more cartoony, has distinct ways to draw different ages. this is literally the same character as a kid vs a late teen. then i have kogoro who is middle aged underneath.

also jousei and seinien genres exist in anime/manga and feature adult characters because the demographic is for adult women/men. which unfortunately, most ppl even fans seem to not realize exist. everyone assumes anime/manga is strictly shonen/shoujo which the demographic for that is teens, so the characters are typically teens. Spice & wolf is a popular example of jousei/seinen genres.

 

7 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

you CANNOT reasonably expect "average non-otaku people" to have a sodding clue who who "Suki Kabuki" is, or how old they are supposed to be, or why an alleged "29 yr old" is wearing a costume that implies she's only 10 in the "tentacle gangbang scene that's integral to the ARTISTIC theme of the piece and highlights important social issues regarding the flavour sachets on instant ramen packets in Californian High School canteens blah blah blah" because the non-otakus JUST DON'T CARE.

also what you're describing is is hentai, porn. (lolicon specifically since you mention she's implied to be 10). not all anime is porn, don't water it down to be that. when it comes to lolicon, it's one of the most hated genres even by fans. this particular comment gives vibes that you just don't like anime fans & anime more than anything because of stereotypes.

 

[Coffee Pancake]

Stop using AI to age check pictures of SL avatars.

They have not been trained on SL avatars. They will hallucinate and vary based on lighting, camera angle, background, etc etc.

[Devilgrey]

2 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

And you just proved my point, not a kid, don't watch cartoon channels, and don't lie in the US.

So I neither know nor care who "Suki Kabuki" is, all I see is a 10 year olds head on a 15 year olds body, I won't know she's based on some bit player in a cartoon I've never heard of or seen, so I'll not know she's "supposed to be 289", it's just a 10 year old head on a 15 yr old body, on an A rated sim, with some Otaku screaming that she's famous and therefore allowed to ignore the ToS.

 

Like I said it's an epic fail of an argument.

"But *cough* everyone *cough* knows [ never heard of them ] from [ never heard of it either ] on the [ never watched that ] in [ country I don't live in ] is 29, so ToS exempts!"

I really dont know why you keep bringing up lolicon when we aren't talking about it. you keep getting mad over a un-related scenario. what aboutism much?

2 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:

Maybe you have reading comprehension difficulties as well as cultural short-sightedness? The poster and I both said this is a male character.

thanks, my avatar is literally a dude. he's literally wearing the legacy m body and has masc clothes on. idk why whoever this "suki kabuki" character is keeps getting brought up. also agree @Persephone Emerald, these comments are coming off as culturally short-sighted. being ignorant of the culture doesn't excuse being a jerk about it.

2 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Don't know or care, how would I KNOW it's supposed to be male, or female or a dog, if I've NEVER heard of it?

What if I mention some obscure character you never heard of from some work of fiction you've never seen or read, will you automatically know it's supposed to be a certain gender or age? No. because...

You've never heard of it.

So you'll judge it on it's appearance. Does it look like it's over 18.

it's not necessary to know if someone's avatar is based on a character to decide their age. ppl making avatars based on characters in media isn't a problem, it's basically cosplaying virtually. i feel like you're using a single personal experience to cloud your reactions based on this topic.

[Devilgrey]

6 hours ago, Ayashe Ninetails said:

You absolutely could, but don't be surprised if some struggle aging you. We know anime is difficult already, but furries are kind of impossible to tell when you're looking at late teen vs. adult - and I say that as someone who wears them. All you'd really be able to change is hairstyle, dress, accessories, and body size/shape - and when you're a mouse or a duck, how would one know where we fall exactly? I'm assuming in that case, LL would only be interested in obvious "child" furries and not people playing 17 year old kangaroos, but who knows, lol.

my furries are more beastkin-like avatars. i use the mekot head for both the dude and the girl beastkin. I do own a furry dog head but never managed to get a result i loved, so it's in the bin for now.

I can post my other dudes though. i feel like my other anime character would fall under teen reactions bc she uses the roidchan head, which is moe-style. she aint supposed to be past 16 to 20 yrs old anyways. i'm probably not going to bother with her honestly.