Marketing/Advertising person - any suggestions?

[FelicityAurora Noelle]

I have been really trying to grow my store.  I am not looking for it to be huge - but it would be nice to get a better feel for what customers do and do not want, and hopefully make the store profitable.  In discussing with some friends, I have come to realize that my marketing/advertising efforts are pretty bad, and I need to hire someone, because I am never going to do it myself.   I was hoping maybe someone here could suggest a person, an agency, a budget...some place to start with in my search for an advertising person.

I am thinking that this person would help run my Facebook Page, primarily being responsible for getting ads out there and shared in Facebook land.  I would ideally find someone who could offer suggestions/collaborate on how to market, not just click the share button a ton of times.  I would love to find someone who had the time to follow up with customers via notecard or IM...not nagging them, just sending a follow up in case they have problems or questions.  Once, I released something with wrong permissions and it took over a month for someone to say something.  I work full time RL, which pays for my SL addiction, but I just don't have the time or inclination to really market my store.

I know people do this kind of work; I just have no idea where to start.  Hoping someone can give me some direction.

Felicity

[TessaPaige Jupiter]

On 9/6/2023 at 10:09 PM, FelicityAurora Noelle said:

I have been really trying to grow my store.  I am not looking for it to be huge - but it would be nice to get a better feel for what customers do and do not want, and hopefully make the store profitable.  In discussing with some friends, I have come to realize that my marketing/advertising efforts are pretty bad, and I need to hire someone, because I am never going to do it myself.   I was hoping maybe someone here could suggest a person, an agency, a budget...some place to start with in my search for an advertising person.

I am thinking that this person would help run my Facebook Page, primarily being responsible for getting ads out there and shared in Facebook land.  I would ideally find someone who could offer suggestions/collaborate on how to market, not just click the share button a ton of times.  I would love to find someone who had the time to follow up with customers via notecard or IM...not nagging them, just sending a follow up in case they have problems or questions.  Once, I released something with wrong permissions and it took over a month for someone to say something.  I work full time RL, which pays for my SL addiction, but I just don't have the time or inclination to really market my store.

I know people do this kind of work; I just have no idea where to start.  Hoping someone can give me some direction.

Felicity

I have a few friends who use smartbots for inworld advertising (send group notifications/IMs). Apparently the service has a lot of other features. This is the website. https://www.mysmartbots.com/ I believe you have to have an alt dedicated to being the bot.

[FelicityAurora Noelle]

Thank you Tessa, I will look into it!

[QuincyJohnes]

Feel free to also try out https://ads-o-matic.com - A newly launched project for advertising in SL. (From creators of SmartBots)

Edited September 25, 2023 by QuincyJohnes

[Stephanie Misfit]

On 9/25/2023 at 9:57 PM, QuincyJohnes said:

Feel free to also try out https://ads-o-matic.com - A newly launched project for advertising in SL. (From creators of SmartBots)

I notice on their website - "The pay-per-click does not work in Second Life." Practically admitting that nobody pays attention to ad boards 😂

 

 

[QuincyJohnes]

On 9/27/2023 at 9:39 AM, Stephanie Misfit said:

I notice on their website - "The pay-per-click does not work in Second Life." Practically admitting that nobody pays attention to ad boards 😂

 

 

Hello Stephanie, I'm the Head of Project at Ads-O-Matic and I would be happy to argue the point.

We're working with different Second Life advertising projects (Earn2Life, Slbiz2life, MetaBizList, etc) since 2009 and we've found that: 

Advertisers often seek creative ways to engage residents because traditional pay-per-click models used on the web may not fully apply here. Ads-O-Matic has been designed to align with the Second Life environment, offering a more effective and immersive advertising solution.

For example, here's one of our AdBoards located within the range of central visibility of Crystal Haze (Unique traffic increase game, generating genuine traffic)

Adaptation to User Behavior: While it's true that some residents might not engage with ad boards in the same way they interact with web-based ads, Ads-O-Matic utilizes an innovative approach to ensure that the ads placed on these boards are seen by residents who have a genuine interest, we work closely and intuitively with locations hosting our boards. The platform leverages various metrics, including traffic grades and click-through rates, to provide advertisers with valuable insights and ensure they get the most out of their advertising efforts.

When our AdBoard is placed, it actively monitors following data: 

• Active residents (Mouse/Look-At-Point movement/General movement) around the board's visibility range
• Residents that gather around the board (Not the names, only total number) 
• Estimate of clicks it will generate 

Based on this data, the price is generated to the advertisers for weekly purchase. Within the first week of the relaunch, we've gained 100+ available boards for purchase at high-traffic locations.

Enhanced Visibility: Ads-O-Matic ensures high visibility for ads by strategically placing boards in high-traffic areas within Second Life. This means that ads are displayed where residents naturally gather, increasing the chances of engagement.

Real Results: Despite the differences between Second Life and traditional web-based advertising, Ads-O-Matic has a proven track record of delivering real results for advertisers. The platform's pay-per-click model may work differently, but it's designed to provide tangible benefits by connecting advertisers with their target audience in a virtual world.

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by QuincyJohnes

[Rowan Amore]

Advertising to people who generally do not spend any RL money on SL.  Good plan.

[QuincyJohnes]

4 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Advertising to people who generally do not spend any RL money on SL.  Good plan.

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but if I understood correctly - then there's no difference whatsoever if the attracted audience spent any RL money on SL or not. The currency is L$ with potential to post-process credit. 

Let's say, as an example, our AdBoard at high-traffic location is displaying clothing advertisement. All of these avatars dress, right? So the clothing advertisement interests them, they purchase the clothing product. The designer receives the funds and now, they can withdraw them out of Second Life regardless if their audience have payment infos attached on file. 

Logically, as long as there's a human being behind an avatar and they see the advertisement - that is successful advertising. So while Ads-O-Matic cannot guarantee sales of your brand/product, we guarantee the awareness of your brand/product to actual human avatars. That is the ideal principle of branding and how consumers/costumers choose your business over others - branding. 

Our AdBoards are available at every content rating locations (General, Moderate, Adult): Clubs, hangouts, residential areas, etc. Giving you the option to choose who to target. In reality, you choose who to target. 

Edited October 9, 2023 by QuincyJohnes

[Rowan Amore]

My point being that in 14+ years in SL, I have not once bothered looking at or reading ad boards...ever.  I see them a lot at places that use traffic devices.  Places new people go.  Places people go who don't put any RL money into SL but exist on games to earn Ls.  Not big spenders in SL.  

Honestly, no one I know bothers looking at ad boards.  

[Persephone Emerald]

I've been in SL for 13 or 14 years too.

Ad boards do not work. I tried them years ago for renting home parcels.

If someone is interested in fashion - blogs, YouTubers, Facebook, Instagram, inworld shopping and event groups are where we see advertising.

I don't know what works for selling land or houses or advertising clubs, because I'm not shopping for these things.

If someone is selling Adult services, maybe ad boards would work? There again though, I'm not looking for these things.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

9 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

immersive advertising solution

Ad Boards almost nobody will bother to read, in noob pits, huh, good plan.

9 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

Active residents (Mouse/Look-At-Point movement/General movement) around the board's visibility range

Yeah, total lack of understanding, just because the board is in front of me, doesn't mean II can see it, it might be outside my current draw distance, which will probably be set low in very busy areas to reduce lag, the textures on it might not have rezzed, while I'm facing that way, because, still rezzing all the other stuff, and people. Epic Tech Fail there.

7 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Advertising to people who generally do not spend any RL money on SL.  Good plan.

 

3 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but if I understood correctly - then there's no difference whatsoever if the attracted audience spent any RL money on SL or not. The currency is L$ with potential to post-process credit. 

If they didn't spend RL money, odds are they won't HAVE ANY L$, that's the point, spamming ad boards at noob pits filled with No-Payment-Info-On-File people is advertising to people who can't buy the product. Useless.

3 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

All of these avatars dress, right?

You really are noob in SL, right?

3 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

So MAYBE the clothing advertisement interests them, they CAN'T purchase the clothing product. The designer receives the NO funds and now, they can NOT withdraw them out of Second Life regardless if their audience have payment infos attached on file. 

Fixed that for you, advertising to people who have NO in-game shopping tokens is generally a waste of time, effort, and money.

3 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

Logically, as long as there's a human being behind an avatar and they see the advertisement - that is successful advertising

So you know almost nothing about Advertising, as well as knowing almost nothing about SecondLife. Outstanding!

3 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

That is the ideal principle of branding and how consumers/costumers choose your business over others - branding. 

That generally doesn't work in SL, people don't buy a pair of Brand X jeans just because they are Brand X, they buy them because they like the look, it's available in a size that fits their mesh body, and the rigging is decent. Again, you NEED to learn how SL works before trying to do business here.

2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

My point being that in 14+ years in SL, I have not once bothered looking at or reading ad boards...ever.  I see them a lot at places that use traffic devices.  Places new people go.  Places people go who don't put any RL money into SL but exist on games to earn Ls.  Not big spenders in SL.  

Honestly, no one I know bothers looking at ad boards.  

^ THIS.

2 hours ago, Persephone Emerald said:

I've been in SL for 13 or 14 years too.

Ad boards do not work. I tried them years ago for renting home parcels.

If someone is interested in fashion - blogs, YouTubers, Facebook, Instagram, inworld shopping and event groups are where we see advertising.

And ^ THIS

If I go somewhere with adspam boards, odds are I'll have walked past them before they even rez in, I certainly won't bother reading them let alone...

9 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

gather around the board

That's just a laughable "metric"

3 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

Our AdBoards are available at every content rating locations (General, Moderate, Adult): Clubs, hangouts, residential areas, etc.

 

9 hours ago, QuincyJohnes said:

Enhanced Visibility: Ads-O-Matic ensures high visibility for ads by strategically placing boards in high-traffic areas within Second Life. This means that ads are displayed where residents naturally gather, increasing the chances of engagement.

Yeah, sorry but "Residential Areas" are almost NEVER "high traffic areas where residents gather." Quite the reverse, they are usually almost deserted, because the residents are all out at the "Shop & Hop", or Uber, or Fameshed, or Warehouse, or cruising through the 140 + stores in this latest Saturday Sale List.

 

Once again your problem is readily apparent. It's actually a well known problem, that's killed off many aspiring SL marketing business people before.

 

Basing SL marketing business plans on RL activities.

 

It's like one aspiring "RL Serial entrepaneur" who ACTUALLY thought he could talk the owner of an SL casino into giving him a half share in return for suggesting the Casino add "hotel rooms for peoples avatars to sleep in when they were offline"  and a gourmet dining area with a dozen dancing girls in fake gem encrusted thongs doing a floor show while the hotel guests ate their meals before gambling.

 

RL Thinking Business Fails. 

"Hey if we put huge billboards by roads, people will see our ads"

Almost nobody drives in SSL, and thiose that do drive too fast and are gone before the ad rezzes

"Hey if we put ads on the networked tv channels in Sl..."

There are none.

"Hey if we put ads on boards in places filled with people who don't shop because they have no money, we'll generate HUGE sales and HUGE profits."

Can you spot the obvious flaw in that plan?

Edited October 9, 2023 by Zalificent Corvinus

[Persephone Emerald]

@Zalificent Corvinus,

As much as I often don't agree with your acerbic tone, sometimes a SL entrepreneur who has no real experience of SL needs to be hit upside the head with metaphorical 2x4.

[Polenth Yue]

In general, people can be too keen to spend money on stuff that will never result in anything. Adboards that nobody clicks. Staff that cost more than you make. There's this vague idea that if you throw money at random stuff, then money will return. This is not how it works.

I have a Facebook page as an author, but I rarely update it because it became useless pretty fast. The more people follow you, the less likely it is that they'll see your posts. This is by design, to encourage you to spend money to boost those posts. Given that most Second Life people don't have accounts there for their avatars, this is not the best use of money. Flickr can be useful if you want to show pictures of stuff (and a number of events have shared photo pools and such). Twitter is on the way out, though more people are hitting Bluesky now as a replacement.

[Zalificent Corvinus]

On 9/7/2023 at 3:09 AM, FelicityAurora Noelle said:

I have been really trying to grow my store. 

A good place to start might be one of the more popular "weekend sale" lists, you pick an item, offer it for 50-100 L$ for the weekend, and your store's LM and a product pic gets seen by thousands of potential customers, that's "people who actually have L$ to spend" potential customers, and seeing what offers get the most weekend sales, will give you that feedback you wanted too.

On 9/8/2023 at 6:41 PM, TessaPaige Jupiter said:

I have a few friends who use smartbots for inworld advertising (send group notifications/IMs)

Bot's can ONLY legitimately advertise your products via group notices, in YOUIR store group, but if people don't know your store, they WON'T be in your group. Using bots to spam ads in OTHER PEOPLES groups, will get the bots banned, and your store a crappy rep. Don't do it.

Scam-Bots Inc don't mind getting a bot banned, it's a throwaway account, and they will just make another. Your store getting a bad rep as a spammy scammer, is NOT what you want.

On 9/7/2023 at 3:09 AM, FelicityAurora Noelle said:

I know people do this kind of work; I just have no idea where to start.  Hoping someone can give me some direction.

You are looking for a "CSR" for your store, so best place to start would be with a loyal existing customer, who's willing to handle customer questions/complaints, and do the FarceBork spam for you, and provide QA on stuff like permissions on a new product, in exchange for free stuff.

Edited October 9, 2023 by Zalificent Corvinus

[Rowan Amore]

7 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Scam-Bots Inc don't mind getting a bot banned, it's a throwaway account, and they will just make another. Your store getting a bad rep as a spammy scammer, is NOT what you want.

The ad boards mentioned above are from the same company as the bots...

On 9/25/2023 at 7:57 AM, QuincyJohnes said:

Feel free to also try out https://ads-o-matic.com - A newly launched project for advertising in SL. (From creators of SmartBots)

 

[QuincyJohnes]

9 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Ad Boards almost nobody will bother to read, in noob pits, huh, good plan.

We understand the concern, but Ads-O-Matic takes a strategic approach to ad placement. We carefully choose high-traffic locations where residents naturally gather. Our goal is to ensure that your ads receive maximum visibility and engagement. Plus, our boards are designed to stand out and capture attention, even in busy areas.

Our boards are noticeable, big and placed strategically where traffic is flowing. 

Since you cannot seem to understand the technical aspect of how our adboards work - think of a small camera built into our AdBoards, that can track avatar movement and their visibility range, or their cameras flying around - (that is what AdsOMatic is using) That loads the ad x2 times faster than the whole parcel for the avatar. These adboards are once again, strategically placed in the spots where people usually gather. Clubs, Clothing Stores, Hangout locations, etc. People will see the ad and the adboard will know that. 

9 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Yeah, total lack of understanding, just because the board is in front of me, doesn't mean II can see it, it might be outside my current draw distance, which will probably be set low in very busy areas to reduce lag, the textures on it might not have rezzed, while I'm facing that way, because, still rezzing all the other stuff, and people. Epic Tech Fail there.

You raise a valid point about visibility. That's precisely why Ads-O-Matic uses advanced metrics to measure both traffic and click-through rates. We take into account factors like draw distance and texture loading to ensure that your ads are seen by the right audience at the right time. It's all about delivering effective advertising in the unique environment of Second Life.

We know how Second Life works in advertisement, we've been on this market since 2009 (Including myself), we've worked with projects such as MetaBizList and Earn2Life, two of the biggest traffic & business advertising and L$ earning program with thousands of active users and consumers. and we're aware how Second Life works with objects, we work with Second Life rendering and object creations through SpeedLight (A mobile SL viewer for business owners in SL, also used by thousands) where we develop our own 3D View. Our boards are light-weight (1prim in count) and it displays the ad through the callouts, which is effectively faster than through-the-object. Every other adboard and networking system as we know it, are located at the spots nobody indeed looks at, they are heavy and take a lot of time to load & react. 

9 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

If they didn't spend RL money, odds are they won't HAVE ANY L$, that's the point, spamming ad boards at noob pits filled with No-Payment-Info-On-File people is advertising to people who can't buy the product. Useless.

To address your sarcastic approach towards "Noobs" specifically and how you don't seem to see them as potential business - I will tell you my personal case, to explain how incorrect you are. Since as your post is progressing, you seem to be developing sarcastic to me personally, so you don't have to read it if you'd like - others may find it as an interesting point.

Everyone starts off as a noob, for me, specifically - my very first SL search query was "Earn L$" (By the way, according to our SL search studies, this is still one of the very active search queries), its where I found Earn2Life. Which was a money-making program for people that for people that couldn't/wouldn't transfer their Real Life funds to a virtual platform they just discovered (Or maybe because of their economical state) - "Noobs", as you seem to call them. 

I started playing games of Earn2Life, earning the L$ - just like these people in "Noob pits" of Crystal Craze do. But here's a big question, if I cannot withdraw these funds, that I earned from Earn2Life (Or people that are "Noobs" at the "pits") because I'm a noob that with no payment info attached, where would I take this money?

The answer is that my funds stay in Second Life. And while you do not consider them as business because by your unresearched odds, they don't have funds - the businesses and brands that do see them as business, will attract their attention and funds they do have available. Everyone has balance and funds in Second Life, those that do not - rarely get on Second Life in a first place, freebies are never enough, we all know that. A person with active balance has to consume - that's how we are psychologically modeled as human beings in the era of consumers. 

If you know anything about business then you must also be aware that individual approach to each of your consumer is the most successful method. If you stereotype my balance because of no payment info attached. Then you just lost me as your potential customer. 

There are ways to earn L$ in Second Life, people actively look for it. There-fore, it doesn't mean that people without payment info cannot bring you business. So  I am sorry to say that you are, and have been, definitely very wrong in how you envision potential profit. 

9 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

So you know almost nothing about Advertising, as well as knowing almost nothing about SecondLife. Outstanding!

9 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

You really are noob in SL, right?

I am currently the Lead Executive Manager at several biggest projects of Second Life (I mentioned them above). I manage my own RL company which is related to micro-transactions and how effective they are. With over thousands of active users. I've been doing this for 10+ years, please do not question my experience and expertise both externally or internally of SL. 

9 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Yeah, sorry but "Residential Areas" are almost NEVER "high traffic areas where residents gather." Quite the reverse, they are usually almost deserted, because the residents are all out at the "Shop & Hop", or Uber, or Fameshed, or Warehouse, or cruising through the 140 + stores in this latest Saturday Sale List.

As mentioned above, our boards are available at many different locations - not just the "Noob pits". AdBoards are graded by their visibility and click-through-rates (A to F). We give the advertiser all the tools to understand by how much they will increase their brands awareness. Should that be budgetary of fully pedal-to-the-metal marketing. 

9 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

That's just a laughable "metric"

I've added a screenshot of the metrics with 400 views of the ad in one day. If that's a "laughable metric" - Hmm... You're recommending on this post to aspiring business owners to restrain their business tactics all to manual work, which is essentially what you will have to do without a bot these days. I am sorry to say but at this point I am quite sure who understands advertising better in the two of us.

9 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Basing SL marketing business plans on RL activities.

9 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

RL Thinking Business Fails. 

Actually, on the opposite. You're spreading the false successful message here. 

Business in Second Life that think RL are the ones who succeed. CasperTech, CrystalCraze, Lindo, SmartBots, SpeedLight. The projects with tens-of-thousands active users have. All  adapted their services externally from SL-while-in-SL. Ads-O-Matic is also the same concept - its a tool to advertise your products with real results and metrics. Businesses that allow controlling their services through external means, are always the ones to succeed. 

It's SL thinking businesses that fail. I mean, you don't have to believe me - but the results of these projects using the very same idea you seem to neglect, speak for themselves. 

Thank you for your attention.

Edited October 9, 2023 by QuincyJohnes

[Zalificent Corvinus]

3 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

Since you cannot seem to understand the technical aspect

Oh this should be Comedy Gold, do continue, prey...  (No that's not a typo)

4 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

how our adboards work - think of a small camera built into our AdBoards

Ah, mis use of the llSensor command, known to be a source of lag.

5 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

and their visibility range

Other people's Draw Distance setting is not reported, as far as I was aware.

6 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

That loads the ad x2 times faster than the whole parcel for the avatar

And that is total BS, you can't FORCE a texture to rez faster, for other people, it's not up to you or your adboards.

8 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

we work with Second Life rendering and object creations through SpeedLight (A mobile SL viewer for business owners in SL

One would expect somebody claiming to own Speedlight to not make mistakes like claiming its for SL Businesses, it's just a second rate web based substitute for a real viewer on a real computer.

11 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

we work with Second Life rendering and object creations through SpeedLight

And the rendering in Speedlight  HAS NOTHING to do with how fast your ad board textures rez on actual SL viewers, which is down to the computer in use, and the quality of the connection to the Content Delivery Network server near the users location. So, you are just engaging in disinformational psycho-babble marketing BS at the moment.

14 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

where we develop our own 3D View. Our boards are light-weight (1prim in count) and it displays the ad through the callouts, which is effectively faster than through-the-object

Unless "callouts" is BS-Speak for "our boards chatspam you with a link to a web page" then that whole sentence means absolutely nothing. The boards being 1 prim doesn't affect the rate at which a texture on a prim face, or MOAP displays for the passing resident.

19 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

Everyone has balance and funds in Second Life, those that do not - rarely get on Second Life in a first place, freebies are never enough

As I said earlier, despite your account age, you seem to know very little about SL in practical terms.

21 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

I am currently the Lead Executive Manager at several biggest projects of Second Life (I mentioned them above)

YOU claim they are the biggest... Not everyone agrees, I'm sure certain other "business people" in SL would laugh at your presumption.

22 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

As mentioned above, our boards are available at many different locations - not just the "Noob pits". AdBoards are graded by their visibility and click-through-rates (A to F). 

That doesn't explain the contradiction of claiming you only put boards at high traffic places where residents gather, and claiming you put them in residential areas, the more you evade, the less trustworthy you seem.

 

You've made suspicious claims about having information about peoples settings that isn't generally available, about magical methods for "increasing texture rez rate" that are beyond your control, and that a web based viewer for mobile devices, somehow improves rezzing speed on real viewers on real computers, viewers you don't own, didn't code, and have nothing to do with.

 

[QuincyJohnes]

44 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Ah, mis use of the llSensor command, known to be a source of lag.

It's one thing to build your business only in LSL, another is to have it backed up more practical languages - through server communications. I'm not intending to debate technological aspects of Ads-O-Matic. I've provided you with enough facts and stats to prove my point. At this point you're simply trying to latch-on-to words.

44 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

Other people's Draw Distance setting is not reported, as far as I was aware.

Then you've been wrong the whole time, just like in your business approaches. 

44 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

And that is total BS, you can't FORCE a texture to rez faster, for other people, it's not up to you or your adboards.

If you're going to keep debating the fact, at least read what I wrote. Since you keep mentioning textures as in objects in SL - we use different methods of displaying the ad that I already explained. 

44 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

One would expect somebody claiming to own Speedlight to not make mistakes like claiming its for SL Businesses, it's just a second rate web based substitute for a real viewer on a real computer.

A second rate mobile application with thousands of active users with it's unique functionality, created specifically to help business owners. It's a specific product for specific audience, true - it may not be as versatile in graphics, but it's has been intended for the way it is. For those seeking to access SL quickly and operate their business areas easily, with 24/7 online time opposed to time-consumption of accessing a standard SL viewer for a task that requires 2 seconds, it's only progressing further.

44 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

As I said earlier, despite your account age, you seem to know very little about SL in practical terms.

I've results, facts and actual projects I've been practicing with to back my claims up, based on real experience. So far I have not seen you arguing against my points with any plausible arguments, other than personal sarcasm and little bit of LSL understanding.

44 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

YOU claim they are the biggest... Not everyone agrees, I'm sure certain other "business people" in SL would laugh at your presumption.

In the market where we operate since 2009, we are the biggest. That's not a claim, that's a fact easily researchable. I'm not intending to waste my time proving that here.

44 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

That doesn't explain the contradiction of claiming you only put boards at high traffic places where residents gather, and claiming you put them in residential areas, the more you evade, the less trustworthy you seem.

 

You've made suspicious claims about having information about peoples settings that isn't generally available, about magical methods for "increasing texture rez rate" that are beyond your control, and that a web based viewer for mobile devices, somehow improves rezzing speed on real viewers on real computers, viewers you don't own, didn't code, and have nothing to do with.

I'm pretty sure I seem suspicious individually to you, to which I've no concern for to be honest.

It was your decision to latch-on to specific item list and argue against it. On which I've explained their effectiveness above that you cannot seem to grasp. 

Is it suspicious to have budgetary (Residential areas) and high-end location (High traffic) choices for Advertisers? Congratulations, you got me then. 

In any case, 
Toodladoo.

Edited October 9, 2023 by QuincyJohnes

[Rowan Amore]

The one and only thing your metric is good for is selling YOUR product, IMHO.  "Oh, look how many people checked out your ad"  "Look how many people clicked on your ad!" "289583 people were in close proximity to your ad!"   I'd expect there to be a lot of that going on at places using games and such to increase traffic.  That's what those games are created to do.  What I don't see happening is many people actually going to that store/business on the ad board and making a purchase.   New people click on stuff all the time.  Doesn't mean they buy.

[QuincyJohnes]

26 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

The one and only thing your metric is good for is selling YOUR product, IMHO.  "Oh, look how many people checked out your ad"  "Look how many people clicked on your ad!" "289583 people were in close proximity to your ad!"   I'd expect there to be a lot of that going on at places using games and such to increase traffic.  That's what those games are created to do.  What I don't see happening is many people actually going to that store/business on the ad board and making a purchase.   New people click on stuff all the time.  Doesn't mean they buy.

That's a plausible concern indeed and I do understand where you're coming from. Just like any other marketing campaign, outside or inside of SL: Ads-O-Matic cannot guarantee the sale. But we do leave the room to wiggle in customer retaining, just like when the Facebook ad is running - it wont guarantee your sales, but it leaves you the ability to retain the leads and convert them into business through, for example, your customer support. If ad is clicked it can invite to group (Through SmartBots integration), send an object, open the URL, or send an IM. Thus, allowing you to retain the individual who clicked your ad. 

To put it simply, we can guarantee your ad will be seen, we can guarantee it will be clicked. But sadly, we cannot, just like no other marketing tool or service can - close the sale deal for you. That is up to your business efforts. 

Edited October 9, 2023 by QuincyJohnes

[Rowan Amore]

3 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

Thus, allowing you to retain the individual who clicked your ad. 

Makes clicking an ad even less attractive.  People are always coming to the forums to ask how to get some spam bot to quit messaging them.  They never signed up for anything but apparently simply clicking a random ad board can get your name added to someone's database.  Good to know.  

Anyway, thanks for the insight on how these work and to avoid them as a consumer.

[QuincyJohnes]

4 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Makes clicking an ad even less attractive.  People are always coming to the forums to ask how to get some spam bot to quit messaging them. 

That is indeed the practice we do not condone or appreciate, a person who clicked through Ads-O-Matic will receive a one-time message. It won't add them into any newsletter subscription(s) or disturb them periodically. We believe into these services the consumer has to opt-in & out. 

No worries!

Edited October 9, 2023 by QuincyJohnes

[Zalificent Corvinus]

30 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

If you're going to keep debating the fact, at least read what I wrote. Since you keep mentioning textures as in objects in SL - we use different methods of displaying the ad that I already explained. 

There are exactly THREE ways to show a passing stranger a texture in SL.

1) put the texture on a face of an object

2) Media on a prim, show a web linked texture on a face of an object

3) Use the texture as a Particle

I know you won't be using the last one, as that would automatically make every one of your ad boards a blatant violation of the rules regarding advertising inworld, and subject to Abuse Reports and summary removal of the adverts.

And there is NO practical way you can increase the rendering speed of the first two methods on other peo0les viewers, as it's entirely dependent on things totally beyond your control, 

40 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

It's one thing to build your business only in LSL, another is to have it backed up more practical languages - through server communications.

Unless your adboards are ACTUALLY "bots", LSL is about all they can use to detect avatars, server API's do exist for SL, but I doubt you're running those on an adboard, via LSL. Maybe your adboard LSL contacts some web server of yours, which then uses SL server API calls to scrape data, but you are still dependent on LSL to do stuff IN WOLRD, unles...

You adboards are "bots"

 

You seem terribly vague about how you are managing this Fictional "magic way to show ad images without using ANY of the three methods available in SL at all"

 

49 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

So far I have not seen you arguing against my points with any plausible arguments,

You don't think "people with no money can't buy stuff" is plausible?

You don't think "people who don't see the ad image because they walked past it before it rezzed in" is plausible?

You don't think "ad boards in residential areas are  basically useless, because such areas are mostly empty most of the time, and the few people who are there often will automatically derender the ugly adspam" is plausible?

You're having a laugh right? This is some failed attempt at humour on your part.

 

The only thing you seem to actually be advertising is, your advertising, with fees based on the number of people near the ad who don't bother looking at it.

 

Oh and for the record, based on multiple threads going back years, adding people who might have clicked something, to "Not-a-customer" Retention Lists, and spamming their IM boxes, is NOT how you serve the people who paid for your service. It just gives your customers a reputation as Spammers.

 

[Zalificent Corvinus]

58 minutes ago, QuincyJohnes said:

To put it simply, we can guarantee your ad will be seen, we can guarantee it will be clicked.

No.

You cannot guarantee those things at all, claiming that you can is basically, commercial fraud.

[Paul Hexem]

On 10/8/2023 at 2:50 PM, QuincyJohnes said:

When our AdBoard is placed, it actively monitors following data: 

• Active residents (Mouse/Look-At-Point movement/General movement) around the board's visibility range

You wanna run that by me again?

How exactly do you monitor their camera and mouse without llRequestPermissions?

Are you making that that up or did you just admit to a pretty major security exploit?

Edited October 9, 2023 by Paul Hexem