Mainland Pricing

[Hunny Bunny]

57 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

They really have no incentive to add more mainland adult regions as far as I can see.

 

The majority of users don't purchase an entire region for themselves; instead, they often opt to rent smaller portions of land. On the Mainland, individuals have the flexibility to buy less than a full region, giving them more control over the size and cost of their parcel. However, if Linden Homes are limited to starter homes or if there are no adult Linden Homes available, the only alternative for those seeking adult content is to use their 1024 or 2048 tier to buy an adult parcel.

The scarcity of adult parcels on the Mainland has driven up demand, resulting in higher purchase prices that may be unaffordable for many users. As a result, some individuals choose to rent on private regions instead, where they don't need premium or premium+ memberships since they can't fully utilize the tier benefits on the Mainland. This demand for private region rentals allows users to access adult content without the constraints of premium membership, providing an attractive option for those seeking adult-oriented experiences.

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[Rowan Amore]

19 minutes ago, Hunny Bunny said:

 

Based on the three known requirements of the "behind closed doors" policy - limiting parcel access, turning off avatar visibility, and using visual barriers — we have confirmed that limiting parcel access is not possible on Bellisseria does it still apply to the rest of the mainland? 

Should we fully enclose the pool area or other outdoor furniture with a visible barrier? Considering a walk around the mainland reveals numerous structures built on ground level, covering the entire parcel in an effort to comply with the "behind closed doors" policy or conversely, to obscure the view of ground-level or low-hanging skyboxes used by others to adhere to the same policy. This situation is not encountered on Bellisseria since enclosing the entire parcel is not allowed, does it still apply to the rest of the mainland?

We do have the option to turn off parcel visibility on both Bellisseria and the mainland, but the question that remains is whether that is sufficient to satisfy the "behind closed doors" policy. If that is all that is required why are there three requirements and not just one?

The whole barrier thing is a moot point IMO unless you display adult pictures.  Any barrier can be cammed past.  LL knows that.  The main thing is to turn on the visible avatars thingy and restricting access as much as possible.  If someone expressly comes into your property for the 30 seconds until your orb shoots.them out and takes a picture of you having adult relations, LL knows that.  

I have never once in all my years heard of anyone getting banned (they might get a message to hide it) for having adult furniture or engaging in adult activities in their home on a Moderate region.  Not once.  

If it were that big of an issue, I'm sure we'd hear about it in the forums.

Could LL make more adult mainland or adult Linden homes?  Sure.  Will they?  Maybe but not for the reasons being given.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Horizons double.prim allowance would.jack.up.prices regardless.of maturity rating.  That's my main reason for buying there.  I'd still own it if it were Moderate.

yes but is double prims worth $100,000 L?

Just buy a regular plot twice as big and only decorate half, there is your double prims

[Rowan Amore]

1 minute ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

yes but is double prims worth $100,000 L?

Just buy a regular plot twice as big and only decorate half, there is your double prims

I only paid 65K 3 years ago and yeah, it's been worth it.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

The whole barrier thing is a moot point IMO unless you display adult pictures.  Any barrier can be cammed past.  LL knows that.  The main thing is to turn on the visible avatars thingy and restricting access as much as possible.  If someone expressly comes into your property for the 30 seconds until your orb shoots.them out and takes a picture of you having adult relations, LL knows that.  

I have never once in all my years heard of anyone getting banned (they might get a message to hide it) for having adult furniture or engaging in adult activities in their home on a Moderate region.  Not once.  

If it were that big of an issue, I'm sure we'd hear about it in the forums.

Could LL make more adult mainland or adult Linden homes?  Sure.  Will they?  Maybe but not for the reasons being given.

no, they will never increase the size of zindra or offer adult LL homes. In fact I’m pretty sure they would do away with adult altogether if they thought the lost revenue from people cancelling their premium subscriptions was a loss they could absorb.

[Hunny Bunny]

9 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

The whole barrier thing is a moot point IMO unless you display adult pictures.  Any barrier can be cammed past.  LL knows that.  The main thing is to turn on the visible avatars thingy and restricting access as much as possible.  If someone expressly comes into your property for the 30 seconds until your orb shoots.them out and takes a picture of you having adult relations, LL knows that.  

If Linden Lab knows that any barrier can be cammed past and someone might intrude briefly to capture inappropriate pictures before being ejected, what is the purpose of having these requirements in place?

[diamond Marchant]

27 minutes ago, Hunny Bunny said:

We do have the option to turn off parcel visibility on both Bellisseria and the mainland, but the question that remains is whether that is sufficient to satisfy the "behind closed doors" policy

If you have a Belli skybox, turn off visibility, and turn on a 15 sec orb, I would be shocked if Governance would act on any AR from somebody camming in. I know for a fact they will not act on obvious porn "art", publicly visible at ground level.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

8 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

The whole barrier thing is a moot point IMO unless you display adult pictures.  Any barrier can be cammed past.  LL knows that.  The main thing is to turn on the visible avatars thingy and restricting access as much as possible.  If someone expressly comes into your property for the 30 seconds until your orb shoots.them out and takes a picture of you having adult relations, LL knows that.  

I have never once in all my years heard of anyone getting banned (they might get a message to hide it) for having adult furniture or engaging in adult activities in their home on a Moderate region.  Not once.  

If it were that big of an issue, I'm sure we'd hear about it in the forums.

Could LL make more adult mainland or adult Linden homes?  Sure.  Will they?  Maybe but not for the reasons being given.

you are not allowed to discuss disciplinary actions against you in the forums, its against the rules, so how could you have any idea how often it happens?

[Rowan Amore]

7 minutes ago, Hunny Bunny said:

However, if Linden Homes are limited to starter homes or if there are no adult Linden Homes available, the only alternative for those seeking adult content is to use their 1024 or 2048 tier to buy an adult parcel.

No,.it's not.  Adult.content is allowed on Moderate.  In Linden homes, even.  What's not allowed is advertising adult businesses on Moderate land and since you can't have a business in a Linden home region, the point is moot.  

This is where people seem to get confused.  When Zindra was created, it was to move adult advertised mainland businesses to one Adult region.  It was never intended to.prevent anyone from having a home on the rest of mainland and having a sex bed inside which is why, at that time, they also included the option to not be able.to see avatars on your parcel.

[Rowan Amore]

2 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

you are not allowed to discuss disciplinary actions against you in the forums, its against the rules, so how could you have any idea how often it happens?

People ask.questions about it all the time.  Their friend got banned for.this.or that.  What can they do?  

[BilliJo Aldrin]

2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

No,.it's not.  Adult.content is allowed on Moderate.  In Linden homes, even.  What's not allowed is advertising adult businesses on Moderate land and since you can't have a business in a Linden home region, the point is moot.  

This is where people seem to get confused.  When Zindra was created, it was to move adult advertised mainland businesses to one Adult region.  It was never intended to.prevent anyone from having a home on the rest of mainland and having a sex bed inside which is why, at that time, they also included the option to not be able.to see avatars on your parcel.

you cant have sex on your back patio on moderate. some of us enjoy doing it in the moonlight, so dont tell us you only need adult if you have an adult club

[Hunny Bunny]

Just now, Rowan Amore said:

This is where people seem to get confused. 

The presence of three stipulations for having adult content in a moderate region, while only one may be necessary, raises questions about the clarity of the guidelines. If simply turning off parcel visibility is sufficient, why are additional requirements mentioned?

Is this information considered top-secret, known only to those who frequent the forums, and shared through subtle hints and nods, or is it something that all residents of Second Life should have access to and be made aware of?

This lack of clear and concise information leaves residents uncertain about the exact expectations for compliance.

[danababy69]

1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:

This might be why every single adult place I go to is on a Private island and not Zindra.  The Island costs $209 a month.  Your own covenant.  Terraform all you'd like.  You can also rent on an adult commercial island.  

Even if you could get full region in Zindra, LL would only be getting $166 per month.  They really have no incentive to add more mainland adult regions as far as I can see.

that's fine and dandy, but what is the point of payin for a service that is not goin to guarantee me, safety, in the dwellin provided for me, by the paid service? if i am to change who i am to suit everyone else, to protect other's delicate sensibilities, why am i not afforded the same protections?.. LL wants to say you are to do this and this in compliance with closed doors, but i wouldnt need closed doors, if i had an adult region. am not askin to run around nekkit, or flaunt me sexual exploits, but what if i choose to decor me land in lewd statues, or grotesque violent scenes? why am i forced into a moderate zone, unable to maximise me freedom of self expression, in area that doesnt allow the full security measures necessary to facilitate the 'closed doors' policy in the first place.. i have to modify who i am, to suit others.. it's censorship.. it's not like i joined an HOA.. am not askin for anythin more than to simply have the freedom to be me, in any way i so choose, in the Linden offered land, they offer in their paid subscriptions.. i want safety, to know that at any point in time, am not gonna be needlessly prosecuted for materials deemed unworthy, of the land ratin, in an area am not able to fully hide me parcel.. which is effectually preventative to any outdoor decor i might want to put up that may be in someway shape or form suggestive in nature, why should i have to fork out the extra quid, to be given land i cannot do with as i wish? why should i be forced into commercial territory? that's pretty much sayin to your adult userbase, 'this town aint big enough for the two of us, and am not goin anywhere' *forceful chest poke* 'buddy'

Edited July 26, 2023 by danababy69

[Hunny Bunny]

22 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:

If you have a Belli skybox, turn off visibility, and turn on a 15 sec orb, I would be shocked if Governance would act on any AR from somebody camming in. I know for a fact they will not act on obvious porn "art", publicly visible at ground level.

Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it never will.

[Rowan Amore]

It's already been posted but again from the Official Adult Content FAQ...

Adult activity on Moderate land must be conducted "behind closed doors," meaning that you must make every reasonable effort to ensure that the parcel is private. This means:

Allow only a group or specific individuals access to the parcel. If it is group-access only, the group must not be freely open to join.

Hide avatars (turn off avatar visibility) for the parcel.

Enclose the area behind walls or other visual barriers.

 

The walls of your home are visible barriers.  This has been discussed multiple times.  Perhaps they should add that tidbit for clarification.

Technically, if you read what is allowed and where, I can have an escort business on my Moderate land as long as I follow the above stipulations, do not advertise nor have my business searchable.

 

 

[danababy69]

26 minutes ago, diamond Marchant said:

If you have a Belli skybox, turn off visibility, and turn on a 15 sec orb, I would be shocked if Governance would act on any AR from somebody camming in. I know for a fact they will not act on obvious porn "art", publicly visible at ground level.

so you believe AR is entirely 100% free from abuse? the system is perfect?.. no damage can be done? it hasnt been abused before by people who plainly just want to watch the world burn, because they dont care about, other people?? no sense in discussion!! the system is perfect!! ladies and gentlemen, you heard it hear first!!

[danababy69]

13 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

It's already been posted but again from the Official Adult Content FAQ...

Adult activity on Moderate land must be conducted "behind closed doors," meaning that you must make every reasonable effort to ensure that the parcel is private. This means:

Allow only a group or specific individuals access to the parcel. If it is group-access only, the group must not be freely open to join.

Hide avatars (turn off avatar visibility) for the parcel.

Enclose the area behind walls or other visual barriers.

 

The walls of your home are visible barriers.  This has been discussed multiple times.  Perhaps they should add that tidbit for clarification.

Technically, if you read what is allowed and where, I can have an escort business on my Moderate land as long as I follow the above stipulations, do not advertise nor have my business searchable.

 

 

okay, am not talkin about inside, am talkin about outside decor.. they have animesh dolls now, say you wanted to setup lewdly posed animesh dolls? mind you this is also in accordance with Diamonds point, about  pornographic art on ground level not havin action taken. where then is the line drawn between what the animesh dolls are doin versus what the avatars are doin.. am sayin the M ratin does not satisfy the needs for everyone, and that as a consumer, of a product, that you pay for, why would you continue to pay for some'n that is not goin to offer you what you want, why should you be forced somewhere else, away from civilisation?? that's awfully antisocial, like bein told 'heathen!! take your lewd and lascivious conduct to a commercial island!!' you're not welcome on the mainland

Edited July 26, 2023 by danababy69

[BilliJo Aldrin]

25 minutes ago, Hunny Bunny said:

The presence of three stipulations for having adult content in a moderate region, while only one may be necessary, raises questions about the clarity of the guidelines. If simply turning off parcel visibility is sufficient, why are additional requirements mentioned?

Is this information considered top-secret, known only to those who frequent the forums, and shared through subtle hints and nods, or is it something that all residents of Second Life should have access to and be made aware of?

This lack of clear and concise information leaves residents uncertain about the exact expectations for compliance.

if all u need to do was turn off parcel visibility then sex in your pool would be fine, but LL is too prudish for that, it has to be behind closed doors with the shades drawn.

Zero adult activity is permitted anywhere outside your house on a moderate sim. And people wonder why anyone needs adult.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

2 minutes ago, danababy69 said:

okay, am not talkin about inside, am talkin about outside decor.. they have animesh dolls now, say you wanted to setup lewdly posed animesh dolls? mind you this is also in accordance with Diamonds point, about  pornographic art on ground level not havin action taken. where then is the line drawn between the animesh dolls are doin versus what the avatars are doin.. am sayin the M ratin does not satisfy the needs for everyone, and that as a consumer, of a product, that you pay for, why would you continue to pay for some'n that is not goin to offer you what you want, why should you be forced somwhere else away from civilisation, that's awfully antisocial, like bein told 'heathen!! take your lewd and lascivious conduct to a commercial island!!' you're not welcome on the mainland

yep you wanna do it outside you have to go to a sex club on zindra. why even bother having a home if you cant enjoy it fully

[Hunny Bunny]

As mentioned before, the requirement to allow only a group or specific individuals access to the parcel is not applicable to Bellisseria. Turning off avatar visibility is an option, but the stipulation to enclose the area behind walls or visual barriers restricts the full utilization of the parcel, limiting the use of outdoor furniture and amenities.

If this is indeed the official policy for adult content in Moderate regions, it is crucial to update the FAQ and other official documentation to reflect these changes. This will ensure that all residents of Second Life are informed about the requirements and prevent confusion, making the information accessible to everyone, not just those who frequent the forums. 

[Rowan Amore]

Going to go have sex in my friends pool on moderate land.  You all have fun!

[danababy69]

4 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Going to go have sex in my friends pool on moderate land.  You all have fun!

au revoir

[Marianne Little]

18 hours ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

you aren’t allowed to keep strangers off your property on beli? anyone can just walk in?

as for expensive adult land, flood the market with new adult sims, land flippers dont have infinatly deep pockets, sooner or later, with enough new adult sims, the price will drop to similar to moderate.

Throttled supply keeps the price of adult land high, not some perceived advantages. 

No banlines allowed, as already mentioned. And security is allowed, but no eject time can be shorter than 15 seconds.

This is so avatars who travel and accidentally get on a parcel, will have time to get off. And if they can't move out fast enough, they aren't sent home, but ejected to public land outside the plot.

Are someone really curious, they could get on the plot and zoom inside super fast, before ejected.

[BilliJo Aldrin]

5 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:

Going to go have sex in my friends pool on moderate land.  You all have fun!

send me the lm so I can AR you. If you want sex outside, it has to be on an adult sim. 😂

[BilliJo Aldrin]

Simple question, yes or no. I have a nice house, the yard is fully equipped with adult furnishings. I don’t want ban lines and i don’t want to turnoff see inside parcel. Can I have this on a moderate sim?