*censored* covid isolation

[Ceka Cianci]

I wasn't cooped up when things shut down.. But I still felt strange not working..

When I don't work for like two weeks, it messes up my sleeping pattern and then I end up sleeping like, two to three hours at a time, then up for a long stretch, then rinse and repeat..

It just throws me way out of my regular schedule.. So I try and make myself go to sleep at the same time every day no matter if it's a day off or a week or two off..

Getting the right sleep as well as the right amount is just as important as eating well and doing other things to stay sharp and healthy..

[Luna Bliss]

8 hours ago, Walelu Summerwind said:

I report what I see and hear. I don't believe what I don't see and I don't see many thousands of people dying.

I'm a big believer in observing what occurs around us and trusting in what we experience. However, our own personal experience is just one data point to consider and there are many other inputs we need to consider in order to evaluate what is real at a larger scale. If we want to understand what's happening in the US or the world we need to include data points from those places too.

Though you may be working in an area where you see few Covid deaths this does not mean other areas outside your known experience are the same as yours. For example, I have a cousin working in health care in the pacific northwest, and she reports a lot of deaths in the hospitals in her area. This is also confirmed for me by watching the local news in her area on the internet, and researching many aggregate sources of statistics for all areas in the world compiled by various sources (both scientific and governmental).

If you research areas outside your own you will see that some are similar to your area -- not a whole lot of Covid deaths. Yet other areas have many deaths from Covid.

 

[Luna Bliss]

14 hours ago, FairreLilette said:

Vaccination soon for me and some freedom I hope.  Counting down the days...but soon.  I plan on getting Chinese food take-out as soon as I can after vaccination.

I'm glad the end is in sight for you. One of my fantasies at the end of all this is also about food, and going for a walk at my favorite park. I plan to hike there and then visit a nearby organic salad bar again.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Luna Bliss

[Arielle Popstar]

6 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:

Devil's advocate. There is a precedent for why the media would inflate the numbers; Sensationalism, fear. "Thousands dying in the streets!" gets them clicks, and gets them ad revenue, much more than "People are getting sick." Just look at threads here on the forums. People saying stuff that riles up other people goes 300 pages, but someone saying something nice about SL goes 2 pages.

As for government, it's easy to say "they'd never do that, that doesn't make sense", or "that's some crazy conspiracy theory, they wouldn't try to make us compliant", but then you look up things like the tuskegee experiment or MKUltra or the stuff Dr. Robert Heath did in that penitentiary. Even as recently as 2014, the CIA's been up to similar stuff.

It's one thing not to agree with people's concerns, but it's ignorance to dismiss them entirely.

Add to the mix the potential for Hospitals to inflate the numbers as it pays them better money to have a patient treated or dying of Covid then the regular flu or pneumonia. Some  seem to require a Covid post mortem diagnosis but a lot don't from what I  was seeing. The differences in the monies received are substantial according to USAToday fact checkers.

"Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

[Luna Bliss]

15 hours ago, Walelu Summerwind said:

I'm a skeptic about the number of deaths from Covid. I have many friends in the healthcare field (I'm one too) that have told me that the more Covid deaths reported in hospitals, the more government aid money the get for the hospital. A friend of mine who has been a nurse practitioner for over 20 yrs told me that some heart attack and pneumonia deaths and several other conditions have been attributed to Covid, which is a blatant lie. In many hospitals in the USA, deaths are being fudged for the sake of government money.

Medicaid, Medicare, and personal payments from patients without insurance for services rendered by hospitals are charged at different rates -- this is true for all reimbursements and not just for Covid. Medicare (the insurance used by those 65 and older) is charged more, and most Covid deaths occur in older people -- I think this is the source of confusion you're speaking to.

All deaths determined to be caused by coronavirus must be from the result of a positive Covid test. Hospitals would be liable for false reporting that would garner them additional funds, and so they are quite careful with how they code a death. 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Luna Bliss

[Luna Bliss]

6 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:

As for government, it's easy to say "they'd never do that, that doesn't make sense", or "that's some crazy conspiracy theory, they wouldn't try to make us compliant", but then you look up things like the tuskegee experiment or MKUltra or the stuff Dr. Robert Heath did in that penitentiary. Even as recently as 2014, the CIA's been up to similar stuff.

It's one thing not to agree with people's concerns, but it's ignorance to dismiss them entirely.

Yes, I wouldn't dismiss their concerns entirely because it's well known there is fraud in the medical field, and health care professionals are human like the rest of us and so make mistakes, and there have been egregious practices in the form of experiments done by medical practitioners abusing their position of power.

However, to take what has happened in a mere fraction of all the medical cases and assume it happens in most or all.......demonstrates that someone defining reality in this way is not thinking clearly.

It is this faulty logic (thinking that some equals all) that is a primary source of conspiracy theories.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Luna Bliss

[Luna Bliss]

27 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

It's always good to check for fraud. But you also have to consider that there is a legitimate cost incurred via treatment on a ventilator -- and it's not cheap.

[Luna Bliss]

9 hours ago, Walelu Summerwind said:

Masks do nothing to stop the spread. A virus is one one hundred times smaller than a bacteria and can pass through most of the masks worn for covid virus.

All the experiments I've researched demonstrate that masks do protect against the coronavirus. However they are not perfect -- they do not offer 100% protection, and the type of mask makes a difference too. All in all you can significantly reduce your chances of contracting Covid by wearing a mask. Can you point me to the experiments that demonstrate otherwise?

Edited January 23, 2021 by Luna Bliss

[Luna Bliss]

7 hours ago, Paul Hexem said:

Devil's advocate. There is a precedent for why the media would inflate the numbers; Sensationalism, fear. "Thousands dying in the streets!" gets them clicks, and gets them ad revenue, much more than "People are getting sick." Just look at threads here on the forums. People saying stuff that riles up other people goes 300 pages, but someone saying something nice about SL goes 2 pages.

So far the numbers reported by major media are in line with aggregate sources. In fact, one aggregate source I pay special attention to actually reports a few more deaths than major media outlets do:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The sensationalism you mention applies to the major media simply talking in excess about these things that frighten us -- the 'fear porn' aspects that keeps us hooked, and not false reporting on the numbers.

Edited January 23, 2021 by Luna Bliss

[FairreLilette]

1 hour ago, Luna Bliss said:

All the experiments I've researched demonstrate that masks do protect against the coronavirus. However they are not perfect -- they do not offer 100% protection, and the type of mask makes a difference too. All in all you can significantly reduce your chances of contracting Covid by wearing a mask. Can you point me to the experiments that demonstrate otherwise?

First thanks for your response about me getting the vaccine "soon".  Truthfully, I wish it were NOW but I cannot wait.  I am happy about it, very happy.  My next door neighbor, however, will not be getting the vaccine.  As far as her not getting the vaccine, you know what, it's out of my control so I'm not going to engage with her about vaccines.  She is an adult who has made her decision.  Maybe after she sees me get my vaccinations, she might change her mind but maybe not and I am not going to engage with her about it as like I said she is an adult and knows the pros and cons.  

What I wanted to say about masks is that there may be evidence now cloth masks are NOT adequate.  I do NOT use a cloth mask and have not used a cloth mask for months.  Many around my area are wearing masks PLUS a face shield now.  One article I read about how to test if you have a good enough mask is to attempt to blow a candle out while wearing your mask.  If you cannot blow the candle out, it's a good mask.  If you can blow the candle out threw your mask, it's not a good mask.  I gave up cloth masks because too difficult to breathe.

This is a face shield:

https://www.discountmugs.com/product/pfs003-light-weight-face-shields/?quantity=1&print_method=sample&color=Clear&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=[ADL]+[PLA]+[Shopping]+-+Coronavirus&utm_term=PFS003-Sample-1&utm_content=sR3nPyFzJ|pcrid|431794373660|pkw||pmt||pdv|c|slid||product|PFS003-Sample-1|pgrid|100111617973|ptaid|pla-1080504870167|&mkwid=sR3nPyFzJ|pcrid|431794373660|pkw||pmt||pdv|c|slid||product|PFS003-Sample-1|pgrid|100111617973|ptaid|pla-1080504870167|&pgrid=100111617973&ptaid=pla-1080504870167&i=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAr6-ABhAfEiwADO4sfScVLt3hPypZkqPI3qU3CbacPe_oipOf4ZCXluSJJSF5h50HgEMeHBoC3X0QAvD_BwE

Edited January 23, 2021 by FairreLilette

[Luna Bliss]

50 minutes ago, FairreLilette said:

 getting the vaccine "soon".  Truthfully, I wish it were NOW but I cannot wait.  I am happy about it, very happy. 

What I wanted to say about masks is that there may be evidence now cloth masks are NOT adequate. 

Yeah it appears the N95 masks are best (not to be confused with the KN95 you see at Amazon) , and I hope to be able to get one before getting vaccinated, as the waiting room for vaccination will be one of the most dangerous places for me to contract Covid.

Fortunately, new laws are gearing up to address the issue...the Defense Production Act:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210120/biden-vows-healing-and-action-on-covid-pandemic

"Today, Biden will order federal agencies to use the Defense Production Act to speed the manufacturing and delivery of equipment and supplies, including N95 masks, gowns, gloves, testing equipment, and other equipment".

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/whats-the-difference-between-n95-and-kn95-masks/

[FairreLilette]

10 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

Yeah it appears the N95 masks are best (not to be confused with the KN95 you see at Amazon) , and I hope to be able to get one before getting vaccinated, as the waiting room for vaccination will be one of the most dangerous places for me to contract Covid.

Fortunately, new laws are gearing up to address the issue...the Defense Production Act:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210120/biden-vows-healing-and-action-on-covid-pandemic

"Today, Biden will order federal agencies to use the Defense Production Act to speed the manufacturing and delivery of equipment and supplies, including N95 masks, gowns, gloves, testing equipment, and other equipment".

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/whats-the-difference-between-n95-and-kn95-masks/

I just read that too about the N95.  Look into the Face Shield on Ebay as these are much, much cheaper.  Face shields are worn by a lot of people around me in the L.A. area, and the Face Shields are washable.  You wear the face shield over your mask.  Pretty much all essential workers have been wearing the Face Shields over their masks in the L.A. area, even like delivery people.  Now us non-essentials are wearing it also over mask.

[Luna Bliss]

1 minute ago, FairreLilette said:

I just read that too about the N95.  Look into the Face Shield on Ebay as these are much, much cheaper.  Face shields are worn by a lot of people around me in the L.A. area, and the Face Shields are washable.  You wear the face shield over your mask.  Pretty much all essential workers have been wearing the Face Shields over their masks in the L.A. area, even like delivery people.  Now us non-essentials are wearing it also over mask.

I will do that... after all the virus circulating in the air can enter our eyes too or could bypass the masks which are not 100% protective....so the face shields would add another layer of protection.

[Sparky Linden]

As always it seems this topic has been hijacked and has gone so far off topic now that it is time to lock it down.

See y'all in the next thread to lock down