Dillon Levenque Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Just when I thought I knew the metric system, the kilogram has been redefined as an electric current (massive over-simplification, there). https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46143399 Actually I like this, as electricity is something I'm far more conversant with than say, acceleration, inertia, momentum, and gravity. But it has presented me with a small problem. I want to be able to say 'die kleine h' with a proper German accent, or as close as I can get to one. I know from middle school Conversational German that the two words are pronounced 'decline-uh'. I guess you'd have to be an English speaker to get my pronunciation words, but oh well. What I don't know is how to pronounce the 'h'. In English it's 'aitch' (which right off the top of my head doesn't seem to rhyme with anything). We learned to say the numbers in that class but we never learned to speak the alphabet. Can one of our several bilingual German/English speakers help? In return I shall tell you the secret way to defeat Maddy's fire attacks. The reason I want this information is so I can sound really hip around scientists and measurement nerds now that Le Grand K has been replaced by a whole 'nuther thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelindaN Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 There are scientists in my RL family. Can't tell 'em anything................ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinRey Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, Dillon Levenque said: I want to be able to say 'die kleine h' with a proper German accent, or as close as I can get to one. I tried with this and it didn't actually come out half bad: https://www.ispeech.org/text.to.speech I think the Americans should blame their strange inability to speak understandable German on the Andrew Sisters. When AS recorded their version of "Bei Mir Bistu Shein" they translated the title to German but they still sang it in Yiddish. That caused a lot of confusion and ever since the Americans have been struggling to distinguish between those two very different languages. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) Blame the British and their Great_Vowel_Shift - they messed it all up - ever since they stumbled over their own pronounciation no Anglophone had any idea how to pronounce Latin scripture... Reverse the great vowel shift and read it as an Anglo Saxon would have and you will be pretty near (darn Anglo saxons knew no "ei" diptong though, because we invented that later -and ie is German way of writing a long ī ) Edited November 16, 2018 by Fionalein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dillon Levenque said: I want to be able to say 'die kleine h' with a proper German accent, or as close as I can get to one. The IPA is /dɪ/ /klɛi̯nɛ/ /uːɐ̯/ I wonder... phonetically, with an Aussie-ish accent: dee klynah ha But my German is likely worse then yours. (And aussies mostly pronounce h as haych to confuse the matter further .) 52 minutes ago, Fionalein said: Blame the British and their Great_Vowel_Shift - they messed it all up - ever since they stumbled over their own pronounciation no Anglophone had any idea how to pronounce Latin scripture. Heh, we can't even agree how to say the same words : https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_pronunciation Edited November 16, 2018 by Callum Meriman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Oh and as h is a letter and thus a neuter ... it's "das kleine h" unless the h is an abbreviation for something feminine -... but to complicate that: if the H is a abbeviation for a noun it would of course be written as a big letter despite being the small one "die kleine H." (as in "not the big Hannelore, the small one"). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Fionalein said: Oh and as h is a letter and thus a neuter ... it's "das kleine h" unless the h is an abbreviation for something feminine -... but to complicate that: if the H is a abbeviation for a noun it would of course be written as a big letter despite being the small one "die kleine H." (as in "not the big Hannelore, the small one"). In this case it's a symbol, planck's constant, which has the symbol h Edited November 17, 2018 by Callum Meriman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Callum Meriman said: In this case it's a symbol, planck's constant, which has the symbol h "das kleine h" then unless it is Planck's reduced constant ħ (h bar) which is just called "h quer" then. AFAIK there is no big H bar in physics so every physicist will understand "h quer" without putting "das kleine" in front of it. But for non physics folks you would write "das kleine h mit einem Querstrich, genannt 'h quer', " Edited November 17, 2018 by Fionalein 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) ...sets everybody in this thread on fire, negating the value of Dillon's incentive. ETA: And because you just know Google can connect any two ideas... http://homepage.smc.edu/walker_muriel/flame_tests_of_metal_cations-procedure.htm Edited November 17, 2018 by Madelaine McMasters 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Madelaine McMasters said: ...sets everybody in this thread on fire, negating the value of Dillon's incentive. What did you burn to set us on fire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) See, I still can't work the forum. Edited November 17, 2018 by Madelaine McMasters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) Thank you all. I tried ChinRey's auditory thing and the 'h' did sound like 'Ha', as Callum said. I think the 'h' in that translator sounded breathier than we typically pronounce it here, but nonetheless it was 'Ha'. As for the gender, I'll leave that to others. Who am I to get fussy about gender, after all? The article I linked did say 'die', but of course that was the BBC. Oh. Just saw Maddy's post. I forgot the secret! Run. Really, really fast. Edited November 17, 2018 by Dillon Levenque 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: What did you burn to set us on fire? If you're asking about the seed flame I used to ignite you all, that was pure desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: See above. If you're asking about the initial seed flame, that was pure desire. That’s hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionalein Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: ...sets everybody in this thread on fire, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Fionalein said: "das kleine h" then unless it is Planck's reduced constant ħ (h bar) which is just called "h quer" then. AFAIK there is no big H bar in physics so every physicist will understand "h quer" without putting "das kleine" in front of it. But for non phyiscs folks you would write "das kleine h mit einem Querstrich, genannt 'h quer', " I'm pretty sure the whole name thing was just somebody's idea of a clever play on words. The world-certified kilogram of platinum that was the standard apparently really is called 'Le Grand K'. Edited November 17, 2018 by Dillon Levenque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Dillon Levenque said: Oh. Just saw Maddy's post. I forgot the secret! Run. Really, really fast. ...digs in her purse for a laser. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Madelaine McMasters said: ...digs in her purse for a laser. Hell, by the time you find it in there curvature of the earth will have saved me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: ...digs in her purse for a laser. Once upon a time that would be surprising. Before laser pointers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dillon Levenque said: I'm pretty sure the whole name thing was just somebody's idea of a clever play on words. The world-certified kilogram of platinum that was the standard apparently really is called 'Le Grand K'. Mmm, good point, from le grand K to das kliene h! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dillon Levenque said: Hell, by the time you find it in there curvature of the earth will have saved me. Unless it’s a POWERFUL laser.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innula Zenovka Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Innula Zenovka said: ..and some women, apparently! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 41 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: See, I still can't work the forum. Well, works for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said: 42 minutes ago, Madelaine McMasters said: See, I still can't work the forum. Well, works for me! Given that my goal is to sow confusion, I suppose I can't fail by failing, can I? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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