Warn Ban - Teft

[Drake1 Nightfire]

I was always told that LL would not get involved in resident to resident disputes. However, after reading the ToS once more, i believe hey have removed that part and now will get involved. As the case seems to be here.

I honestly don't know what, if anything, you can do to recover your money. LL would have checked the chat logs and made a decision. This is why voice sex is dangerous to the escort. There is no log of what is going on. The John can then turn around and say "she took my money and ran." Which is what i believe happened here.

Long story short, unfortunately you learned a hard expensive lesson.

ETA.

 i had to check your profile.. i have to say, for an escort you really dont advertise, do you?

You are the first escort i have ever seen that had not ONE word about it in their profile.. no groups no picks.. Nothing.. makes one wonder.

[Theresa Tennyson]

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Teagan Tobias wrote:

I saw the post the other day, it was up and gone rather quickly, it said the money was sent by accident. As I recall there was no mention of product or services, only that the money was transferred accidentally.

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And now that we know the product or service involved, I have enough experience in that particular field to know that L$25000 is right around ten times the going rate for what I imagine was "exchanged." Sure sounds like somebody accidentally typed in an extra zero, and somebody else didn't want to give up found money.

[Teagan Tobias]

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Theresa Tennyson wrote:

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Teagan Tobias wrote:

I saw the post the other day, it was up and gone rather quickly, it said the money was sent by accident. As I recall there was no mention of product or services, only that the money was transferred accidentally.

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And now that we know the product or service involved, I have enough experience in that particular field to know that L$25000 is right around ten times the going rate for what I imagine was "exchanged." Sure sounds like somebody accidentally typed in an extra zero, and somebody else didn't want to give up found money.

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Different people charge different amounts for things. Take shoes for instance, you can pay 25L and get a pair of heels or you can pay 1500L for a pair of heels. If you get the 1500L heels, you owe the money. Does not matter what the going rate is or if you like them or not. And the other post did not say they were dissatisfied or that they over paid, only that the funds were sent by accident.

If the funds were sent by accident, who were they trying to pay, and did that person get paid.

The bottom line here is that we just do not have enough information to make an accurate assessment of the situation.

[Malanya]

I saw the posts also. There may be more to this story because I looked at PixiWises's profile and the av was 5 days old but looked like a pretty well made up avatar in the profile for being new. I have no idea if this av is new or a second account and even though the other person spammed the forums it may have been done out of some desperation to get the problem fixed even though it doesn't help. I think it's possible it was fraud and that's why LL refunded the money. That's the only scenerio that makes sense to me.

[Sephina Frostbite]

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PixiWise wrote:

Hello. Thanks for all answers till now.

Yes, he threatened me that if I do not pay him back, he will send a Report on Froud and even banned my account. They do not ban me, but money is gone!

The work -  that was done by many other women in SL, I escorted him .

1. I did also REPORT ABUSE for FRAUD against him! 10-11 hous ago... and second report with more details too...

2. Till now i dont have any email from SL for the situation! Thats why i posted here.

Last i received just that:

Case: 01677532

Avatar: PixiWise Resident 

Type: Abuse Appeal

Status: New

 

To comment on this case, either Reply to this email, or visit: 

https://secondlife.com/my/support/?caseID=01677532

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There isnt a place where you can report someone is there? Its not under file a ticket. IS there?

[PixiWise]

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Malanya wrote:

I saw the posts also. There may be more to this story because I looked at PixiWises's profile and the av was 5 days old but looked like a pretty well made up avatar in the profile for being new. I have no idea if this av is new or a second account and even though the other person spammed the forums it may have been done out of some desperation to get the problem fixed even though it doesn't help. I think it's possible it was fraud and that's why LL refunded the money. That's the only scenerio that makes sense to me.

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I read the few last 5 comments about me, the world become a worst place with every day... so spiteful. I dont know how to answer, now i have to prove my words, 

- am i escort - yes, i am

- am i 5 days yes i am /of course i have other avi's/ is there any bad about that?

-... and the most important i still dont have answer from the LL...

 

If someone want i can paste IM with the and his ALT avi too, i post the name of his avi , who give me the money and also spoke some time too.

 

dj milen (milen.monaron) - from where he give the money

 

 

[PixiWise]

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Sephina Frostbite wrote:

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PixiWise wrote:

Hello. Thanks for all answers till now.

Yes, he threatened me that if I do not pay him back, he will send a Report on Froud and even banned my account. They do not ban me, but money is gone!

The work -  that was done by many other women in SL, I escorted him .

1. I did also REPORT ABUSE for FRAUD against him! 10-11 hous ago... and second report with more details too...

2. Till now i dont have any email from SL for the situation! Thats why i posted here.

Last i received just that:

Case: 01677532

Avatar: PixiWise Resident 

Type: Abuse Appeal

Status: New

 

To comment on this case, either Reply to this email, or visit: 

https://secondlife.com/my/support/?caseID=01677532

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There isnt a place where you can report someone is there? Its not under file a ticket. IS there?

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As i said earlier, this is my SECOND report. the first was within the program

 

On both - still dont have answer or any explain what i did wrong... even that.

[Perrie Juran]

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Malanya wrote:

I saw the posts also. There may be more to this story because I looked at PixiWises's profile and the av was 5 days old but looked like a pretty well made up avatar in the profile for being new. I have no idea if this av is new or a second account and even though the other person spammed the forums it may have been done out of some desperation to get the problem fixed even though it doesn't help. I think it's possible it was fraud and that's why LL refunded the money. That's the only scenerio that makes sense to me.

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I saw all his posts also and he repeatedly said he ACCIDENTALLY payed her.

$25,000L is no small sum, around $100.00US.

I'm puzzled what is really going on.

This all sounds out of character with LL.  If LL agreed it was Fraud, her account would be banned.

[PixiWise]

As i said - his report is for FRAUD, i am online in the game and still not banned, cause they shouldnt do it - i did not any illegal.

[Perrie Juran]

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PixiWise wrote:

As i said - his report is for FRAUD, i am online in the game and still not banned, cause they shouldnt do it - i did not any illegal.

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I did not say you did anything wrong. 

What I said is that this is a puzzle.

At this point all you can do is wait for a reply to your support ticket.  And make sure you have checked your Spam folder for E Mails from LL.

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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Perrie Juran wrote:

This all sounds out of character with LL.  If LL agreed it was Fraud, her account would be banned.

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you make a good point Perrie... this doesnt make sense at all... 

if LL did take the money from Pixi with the conviction it was a fraud and for a so big ammount, she would have her account on hold. So she couldnt even log here in the forum. This is not a question about having alts.. yesterday the other person named her with this precise avatar name... he never mentioned an other name.

So here are 2 versions : 

                   -- the money has been sent by mistake. So if its true, its fixed now.. and the OP is so disapointed to have seen this money back that she tries by any way to get it back saying she has been wrongly accused about a fraud.

                 -- this wasnt a mistake. the money was due and now, the first person was disapointed for some reason and wanted to be refunded. so he lied saying it was a mistake (bec he knew LL would be more likely to send him back his money then than he was complaining about a fraud).  

In both case, we cant know who is lying and who is not..  

But, 

               -- having seen how was acting yesterday the other person in the forum... like if he wasnt able to type anything but the same sentence (i even wondered if it was a bot). Answering to other forumers withing his own thread by a copy/paste of the same eternal sentence.

              -- wondering why, if it was a fraud, the first person havent mentioned it in his so numerous threads ? why did he lied  about a mistake ?

              -- knowing that LL is more likely to fix smth claimed to be done by mistake than to resolve a dispute between resident...

well... idk who is wrong or right.. but i think the OP deserve the benefit of doubt at least as much than the other person who obviously have it already from a lot of posters here.

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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PixiWise wrote:

As i said - his report is for FRAUD, i am online in the game and still not banned, cause they shouldnt do it - i did not any illegal.

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well did LL sent you exactly his abuse report ? Could you read exactly what he wrote to LL for complaining about you ?

Or you just know he reported you ?

 

[PixiWise]

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Trinity Yazimoto wrote:

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PixiWise wrote:

As i said - his report is for FRAUD, i am online in the game and still not banned, cause they shouldnt do it - i did not any illegal.

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well did LL sent you exactly his abuse report ? Could you read exactly what he wrote to LL for complaining about you ?

Or you just know he reported you ?

 

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No, i dont have his report /my SPAM folder is empty/. He just said, he will do it. 

I did Report and still have the first mail, that said the message will be see in future.

If i have answer, i will say here.

[Perrie Juran]

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Trinity Yazimoto wrote:

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Perrie Juran wrote:

This all sounds out of character with LL.  If LL agreed it was Fraud, her account would be banned.

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you make a good point Perrie... this doesnt make sense at all... 

well... idk who is wrong or right.. but i think the OP deserve the benefit of doubt at least as much than the other person who obviously have it already from a lot of posters here.

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I agree with the benefit of the doubt and am more prone to believe the OP.

I'm just surprised by the chain of events as they have been posted.

The OP states she delivered the goods or services which others have assumed based on her profile was "escorting."   

What is the going rate for voice/cam escorts in SL now a days?  I could use a little extra money myself.  Any one up for Martian porn?

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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PixiWise wrote:

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Trinity Yazimoto wrote:

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PixiWise wrote:

As i said - his report is for FRAUD, i am online in the game and still not banned, cause they shouldnt do it - i did not any illegal.

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well did LL sent you exactly his abuse report ? Could you read exactly what he wrote to LL for complaining about you ?

Or you just know he reported you ?

 

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No, i dont have his report /my SPAM folder is empty/. He just said, he will do it. 

I did Report and still have the first mail, that said the message will be see in future.

If i have answer, i will say here.

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SOOOO ... its possible he didnt reported you for fraud BUT saying he sent the money by mistake... what had really more eventuality for being fixed by LL and quicker....

So i guess that now, you ll need to be patient, bec for LL its different. and they ll need to investigate deeper, so it will need time.

i advice you to insist (in a polite and smart way) in your tickets to LL on the fact that LL took the money back from you to send it back without even contact you before. And no matter they want to be involved in a dispute or not they are now involved bec they take themselves the money from your account. 

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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Perrie Juran wrote:

  Any one up for Martian porn?

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[Malanya]

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PixiWise wrote:

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Malanya wrote:

I saw the posts also. There may be more to this story because I looked at PixiWises's profile and the av was 5 days old but looked like a pretty well made up avatar in the profile for being new. I have no idea if this av is new or a second account and even though the other person spammed the forums it may have been done out of some desperation to get the problem fixed even though it doesn't help. I think it's possible it was fraud and that's why LL refunded the money. That's the only scenerio that makes sense to me.

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I read the few last 5 comments about me, the world become a worst place with every day... so spiteful. I dont know how to answer, now i have to prove my words, 

- am i escort - yes, i am

- am i 5 days yes i am /of course i have other avi's/ is there any bad about that?

-... and the most important i still dont have answer from the LL...

 

If someone want i can paste IM with the and his ALT avi too, i post the name of his avi , who give me the money and also spoke some time too.

 

dj milen (milen.monaron) - from where he give the money

 

 

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You don't have to prove anything to us, but since you posted HERE on a public forum we can surly post our comments. Who cares is this is a second av, my point was it made more sense to me for my thoughts with being 5 days old, profile not showing any escort anything and a 5 day old av usually doesn't get $25,000L for escorting (well haven't known seasoned ones to) being 5 days old. As others have stated LL does not get in resident disputes such as this unless they have seen something, things only LL can see and prove. BTW no one can IM you for you to post chat, that is clearly a violation to do in an IM. I am sure you must realize you can alter the text in an IM too so whatever you show is no guarantee of it being the actual text of the IM. That makes me think even more that the other side of the story, even if not complete shows some fraudulant activity and who knows it could have been about anything for all we know. We are not the Lab. Read into peoples posts however you wish.

Don't know what world you live in but a forum post about my av or things done on sl does not compare to the real world I live in happily everyday even if flawed.

eta: it can still be a form of fraud esp since this another account the OP holds and may not be tied to her main. OP also refunded $5000L to the other party, because ......? If I was HONESTLY owed owed $25,000L and in no way was I violating anything I would not refund any money. Seriously as others have said, LL does not usually get in the middle of disputes between residents and only LL has access to the actual chat logs. Asking others to get his alt's info and YOU naming an avi in the forum = all of this shows he may be right, you seem to be a rule breaker.

[Paul Hexem]

Wait, go back. 25 grand for escorting?

 

 

... I'm in the wrong business.

[Finneli Felwitch]

Well reading every post in this thread, the 25,000 L$ was not just for in world escort services, there were outside "Real Life" activities as well.

[Sidnella Riler]

hilarious

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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Malanya wrote:

 

Asking others to get his alt's info and YOU naming an avi in the forum = all of this shows he may be right, you seem to be a rule breaker.

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obviously you havent seen what the other person did 2 days ago (before Pixi created the thread here). Spaming the forum with at least 10 thread in different categories, naming Pixi in each and also in the tittle of the threads isnt also breaking the rules ?

On top this person, never explained anything but just copied and pasted the same message, in every OP in the threads and withing them again and again...

So according to you, this isnt breaking the rules and so "he may be right " ?

Well just because of what he did, what imho was worst, i m likely to think, that Pixi is MAYBE right and HE 's a huge rule breaker.

[Malanya]

Yes I read his spamming posts a few days ago No one will ever know the truth but the both of them. I posted an observation. The day he posted all over the place it seemed desperate and it was very one sided. The day she posted, admitted to sending Lindens back to him, posting the other avatars name and asking us to IM her her so she could paste their chat sessions gave me a different perspective on "him". I think maybe they both learned a lesson on how easily things can go wrong during a transaction in sl that really isn't looked at by LL. He was refunded though, by LL and partly by Pixie.

Nothing is "according to me" as you stated. Like everyone else, I posted my opinion. I find it funny that people that have stronger opinions than mine that have been in the forums longer are never cheallenged like I am unless it's by another older member of the forum. This is why I like SLU over this forum anyday

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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Malanya wrote:

Yes I read his spamming posts a few days ago

No one will ever know the truth but the both of them. I posted an observation. The day he posted all over the place it seemed desperate and it was very one sided. The day she posted, admitted to sending Lindens back to him, posting the other avatars name and asking us to IM her her so she could paste their chat sessions gave me a different perspective on "him". I think maybe they both learned a lesson on how easily things can go wrong during a transaction in sl that really isn't looked at by LL. He was refunded though, by LL and partly by Pixie.

Nothing is "according to me" as you stated. Like everyone else, I posted my opinion. I find it funny that people that have stronger opinions than mine that have been in the forums longer are never cheallenged like I am unless it's by another older member of the forum. This is why I like SLU over this forum anyday

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hum, you probably got me wrong, and the fault is surely my bad english.  my "according to me" was for talking about your opinion that you made on this : 

Malanya wrote:

 Asking others to get his alt's info and YOU naming an avi in the forum = all of this shows he may be right, you seem to be a rule breaker.

Of course i have nothing against the fact you say your opinion here, on the contrary. but i was just saying that mine was different but exactly for the same reason than yours about breaking the rules.

i feel sorry that you think you have been challenged here. Like you i have my opinions, and like you, i have the same rights to say them. And i dont feel the need to challenge anyone.

I do consider the same criteria than you about breaking the rules, and if i consider this one, i think that the first person broke the rules first and in a very worse way than the OP here. its just my opinion, i dont have any willing to force anyone to agree with me. But as you said, noone will never know the truth but the both of them, and ive never said anything else. Then i have still an opinion, and as i said, im more prone to think the OP here is not the guilty one.. its just im prone to think it.. just this.. and i may be wrong indeed.

about the fact you say she asked pp here to im her for she send the logs, i dont agree either here. She didnt asked but offered it to pp in case they wanted it. Asking and offering are not the same meaning at all for me. At least they are not in my native language.

 

 

[Malanya]

I didn't get you wrong, I understood what you meant. Of course we all have different opinions and that's supposed to be the way the forum works, would be very boring if there was no diversity in our posts. I respect that you see her asking for people to IM her for chat differnetly than I do, nothing wrong with that. Neither one of us is wrong with how we feel or our opinions someone posts something and people are going to see the post differently, a good thing. It's good to disagree as a lot of times it may help someone see another point of view. Everyone has the right to post their view here.

As far as the posts being challenged, People do that here all the time, this forum has a clique and so many times I see a poster who is new made fun of etc and I am not talking about opinions. I wonder why so many OP's never come back to the thread. There is a way to communicate even when people don't agree and rudeness (I am not saying this about you) is not the way at all. People assume also that when someone posts and they don't have a last name of Resident that they are new to sl. Some of us have been a round a long time and no one's business why we don't use our older avatars. This last part was not directed at you and as ususal we don't always come across the way intended in text.

 

[Trinity Yazimoto]

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Malanya wrote:

I didn't get you wrong, I understood what you meant. Of course we all have different opinions and that's supposed to be the way the forum works, would be very boring if there was no diversity in our posts. I respect that you see her asking for people to IM her for chat differnetly than I do, nothing wrong with that. Neither one of us is wrong with how we feel or our opinions

someone posts something and people are going to see the post differently, a good thing. It's good to disagree as a lot of times it may help someone see another point of view. Everyone has the right to post their view here.

As far as the posts being challenged, People do that here all the time, this forum has a clique and so many times I see a poster who is new made fun of etc and I am not talking about opinions. I wonder why so many OP's never come back to the thread. There is a way to communicate even when people don't agree and rudeness (I am not saying this about you) is not the way at all. People assume also that when someone posts and they don't have a last name of Resident that they are new to sl. Some of us have been a round a long time and no one's business why we don't use our older avatars. This last part was not directed at you and as ususal we don't always come across the way intended in text.

 

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well im glad you are not saying this about me, because, really, but really really, this is just not me..

ive never judge pp by their SL age, neither even by their RL age. And i dont jump on pp just bec they have "resident" as lastname. I rarely jump on pp by the way lol.... :smileyhappy: (well i admit it, maybe a lil often on LL lol)