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Phil Deakins
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I've been reading about standard sizes in a thread about mesh clothes. What are standard sizes? The reason I'm asking is because I'm wondering if it might be the reason, or part of the reason, why avatar heights are tending to be shorter than they used to be.

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Bad answer to a silly problem.

Original resource is here, I think: SLUniverse - Standard Sizing Initiative

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Standard sizes (at least, the ones I know of) affect the following sliders on the female av:

Body Fat
Torso Muscle
Breast Size
Love Handles
Belly Size
Leg Muscle
Butt Size
Saddle Bags
Knee Angle

Other sliders, like body width and height are unaffected, because increasing them stretches rigged mesh along with the avatar skeleton. So use of standard sizing shouln't be directly responsible for a shift in avatar height.

Of course, just as in RL, sizing is not entirely standard. I've had 'standard sized' mesh outfits that don't fit my shape, despite my using the recommended slider settings. Some stores don't use the standard at all.

NB: even though height (and other sliders) shouldn't affect the fit of a rigged mesh, they do distort it. If you go to far from what the designer intended, it might still look out of proportion, even if none of your av pokes through the cothing!

 

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Phil Deakins wrote:

I've been reading about standard sizes in a thread about mesh clothes. What are standard sizes? The reason I'm asking is because I'm wondering if it might be the reason, or part of the reason, why avatar heights are tending to be shorter than they used to be.


if i remember right it was making close certain standard sizes among creators.. because with so many different shaped avatars..there was really no way they could make a one size fits all like before..

so they had to make some standard sizes..

well not really had to ..but did..

until a deformer comes out ..if itever does..there are standard sizes..

 

that's sort of what i remember..i'm sure there is more to it than that..

it could be one of the reasons we are seeing smaller avatars..but i don't think it's the main reason...

 

there has been this movement for awhile now between large and small that has been going on for a good while now..

mesh may have helped boost it along..

i just think people are wanting to see how realistic they can get their avatars..

especially with how much more realistic skins and content is getting compared to what it used to be years ago..

 

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Got it. Thank you folks. I understand it now.

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Digressing slightly....  On the subject of large avatar sizes - I go to a club where lots of 'joined today' and other recent newbies visit.  A lot of the newbies are maximum height.  My theory is that this is because that makes their avatar look bigger on their screen, since they are unaware that it's possible to change the camera viewpoints in debug settings!

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Kelli May wrote:

Of course, just as in RL, sizing is not entirely standard. I've had 'standard sized' mesh outfits that don't fit my shape, despite my using the recommended slider settings. Some stores don't use the standard at all. 


This is the bane of my life - people who sell five sizes (from XXS to L, or some other combination) in the style of the SSI, but without actually following the SSI shapes. Worse still is mesh prefabbed clothing, which seems utterly incapable of getting it right.

I was in one store last week where my (admittedly 'ample' but hardly 'grandiose') butt was simultaneously Medium and XX-Small. I won't be shopping there again.

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Freya Mokusei wrote:

Kelli May wrote:

Of course, just as in RL, sizing is not entirely standard. I've had 'standard sized' mesh outfits that don't fit my shape, despite my using the recommended slider settings. Some stores don't use the standard at all. 


This is the bane of my life - people who sell five sizes (from XXS to L, or some other combination) in the style of the SSI, but without actually following the SSI shapes. Worse still is mesh prefabbed clothing, which seems utterly incapable of getting it right.

I was in one store last week where my (admittedly 'ample' but hardly 'grandiose') butt was simultaneously Medium and XX-Small. I won't be shopping there again.


i was on the cool VL viewer the other day..thier recent experimental release had deformer avalable in it..

it used to only be avalable for OS but this one had it for SL as well..

i found a skirt that was setup for deformer..

omg i can't wait till we get that freakin deformer..

no alpha no extra sizes ..just put it on and go!! \o/..this is on one of my avatars shapes that her butt has to have an alpha for baggies lol..( that was a jk) she does have to have an alpha there though..

and it never broke the seams..

LL really needs to get this deformer in here..it would open the market up to where creators don't have to worry about a standard size..

 

i was worried that the deformer would have mesh hugging us like a paint job..but on that it didn't..it just fit and i was off and running hehehehe

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Conifer Dada wrote:

Digressing slightly....  On the subject of large avatar sizes - I go to a club where lots of 'joined today' and other recent newbies visit.  A lot of the newbies are maximum height.  My theory is that this is because that makes their avatar look bigger on their screen, since they are unaware that it's possible to change the camera viewpoints in debug settings!


To continue your digression slightly, the reason why it occurred to me that standard sizes might be a cause of the diminishing avatar height trend is because I was talking with a friend the other day, who said that in her early time in SL, she was the shorty on average, but now she taller than most others, but she hasn't her altered height at all through the years. That was still fresh in my memory when I read about 'standard sizes' in another thread today.

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Phil Deakins wrote:

Conifer Dada wrote:

Digressing slightly....  On the subject of large avatar sizes - I go to a club where lots of 'joined today' and other recent newbies visit.  A lot of the newbies are maximum height.  My theory is that this is because that makes their avatar look bigger on their screen, since they are unaware that it's possible to change the camera viewpoints in debug settings!


To continue you digression slightly, the reason why it occurred to me that standard sizes might be a cause of the diminishing avatar height trend is because I was talking with a friend the other day, who said that in her early time in SL, she was the shorty on average, but now she taller than most others, but she hasn't her altered height at all through the years.


well it may have a good impact really..i mean RL fashion works the same way..

teens always up to date on things..

in here we don't have to stick a toothbrush down ourthroats after dinner to keep that cosmo look..

 

fashion has influence for sure..

look at how the sad frowny faced wide crotched avatars took off after awhile..or any other push to the market..

there was a doom and gloom phase also..

all those get inccorporated after awhile and phase out..

 

if we ever getthe deformer..the push for RL sizes may  fade too..but then again..who knows..

it may be bigger than fashion since it's been going on for so long hehehe

 

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