Solar Legion

Mmm, more clockwork ....

It is nearing the end of the year and like clockwork yet another doomsayer pretending to give a carp shows up. Also like clockwork this drags the very sorts that shouldn't have too much of a say in how the platform is run/what improvements are made out of the woodwork.

Take the bloody collar system drama elsewhere - seriously, it has no place here. As for the automated group swapping ... Lovely, an actually useful tool is being removed thanks to a bunch of nits ...

X Ubuntu.

Your prior example ignored the fact that life happens. Your present "example" has no bearing on Second Life - at all. The rest of your response is tripe. Again: You've gotten a variety of responses explaining reality to you. You want to "discuss" something that already has settings within the client. Your suggested idea requires either a scripted solution or client developers to utterly ignore the user's wishes concerning those settings. The former is simply not possible. The latter requires the removal of existing options that were put in quite a long time ago for the convenience of the end user. Enjoy tilting at windmills.

Except ... I'm not wrong. "Fair" is in the eye of the beholder. Life happens: A user may have to step away for a moment or two thanks to something quite beyond their control. Should they be forced offline or home? Rhetorical question - the only answer is that it is their choice to be marked as AFK and then either logged out or teleported home. That is why there are settings already in the Second Life client for this that the user sets. There is no method presently for scripts to fairly judge who is and who is not AFK. There is no need for any further system in place concerning being AFK. There's no argument or discussion to be had here - none. You've had it put to you semi-politely, you've had it put to you very crudely and bluntly - deal with it and stop acting like not being able to get into a place is some major issue. It's not like you have a right to access any sim you wish, any time you wish.

Or you could just accept that you're quite wrong. See, here's my "reasonable" length of time for an automated Logout (which closes the client by the by) or an automated TP Home: Never. Amusingly - unless Linden Lab changed this in their own client - there has always been an automatic log out function concerning being AFK. Preferences - General - bottom of the pane for many.This allows the user to determine if they get logged out when AFK after a certain length of time or if they ever report as AFK to begin with. Both of those are user choices and should remain as such. Patience - have some. You're not going to expire because you cannot get into a sim for some event. If the event is week long, try again at another time. If it isn't well then it's still not that big a deal. Same with simply visiting a place: if it really is so popular that it fills up fast, try again another time. Cripes, some people ...

It doesn't. It connects to your machine. Your machine processes the inputs, uses a driver (software on the OS) to interpret those inputs. That data is then passed to whatever program wishes to use it. The problem is not network related thus no ports - beyond a USB port - are involved. You're assuming it is somehow network related based on happenstance. According to your own OP over on VVO, you've already contacted 3Dconnexion and they've told you the driver they have for Mac is still new/buggy and that they are looking into it. That is pretty much it, Skate. It has nothing to do with Second Life, nothing to do with your internet connection and by the hardware manufacturer's own words is a driver issue. I'm not trying to sound like an arse here - really I'm not. All you can do is wait to see if the driver itself gets updated and see if that fixes the issue.

No problem - I just hope the information helps anyone that may pop in to have a look.

It's been in Firestorm for a little bit now - on their Closed Beta branch. All they've done is selected the most stable of their Beta releases to make it Public so that those who've been hounding them can download it. Bug and other fixes aside, I can wait for the mainline release. I wish more were as patient.

@arabellajones: I'm on Linux myself (shared computer) and because it is kept up to date with each new Kernel release (so long as nothing breaks, a rarity) as well as with each newer version of Xubuntu (again, as long as nothing breaks) ... Well as I stated in another thread I've only just gotten Voice working again. Part of this had to do with one of the needed i386 libraries only being installable through the bloody terminal. Prior to someone figuring out the more comprehensive list of libraries, the general "advice" given was to run Voice through WINE. Seeing as there really isn't an "official" Linden Lab client for Linux anymore (sorry FS devs reading this - even the download page lists that as obsolete) the only thing I can think of is that some expect you to try to run it through WINE or that you magically have access to another machine that is running either Windows or MacOS/OSX ... The former should not even be a thought on their minds - ever. The latter isn't very likely - not for everyone. ETA: mind, I like Firestorm and understand well that when offering support - especially volunteer support - there are certain things they have to rule out, on top of not being obligated to actually answer.

Try here first and adapt as needed. On my end as it turned out ... Only one library was missing - libidn11:i386. This machine is kept up to date as far as its kernel and Ubuntu are concerned - because of the latter, all I can tell you is to follow the link I've posted and adapt as needed for your distribution.

Firestorm 6.0.1.56538 Beta Release Notes. For those wanting to know what else is in it. Personally, Public Beta or not I'll wait for the proper release. It would be nice though if instead of placing it as the "current version" on their download page (and apparently back end) they simply stuck it where they put the older releases and "other" downloads. You know, so those users waiting on the main line release aren't poked each and every single time they start up Firestorm to update ...

Ah yes and as usual .... someone had to try and pretend that there is a political aspect to my responses ... As well as try to pretend they know where my political leanings are ... Nice try. Swing and a miss - a big miss. Though I think poor Saturn wants a word with you for hitting it.

Now see, you made a mistake here: My response concerns Second Life and all other software/properties owned/operated by the private company, Linden Lab. It can be extended to include all properties/software owned by private companies. You have what "rights" you are given by said companies and what "rights" those companies are required to give to you by varied laws. No more, no less. In short, your supposed "point" was meaningless where Second Life is concerned - which is all I addressed. You made an assumption concerning my response that was - point blank - false.

How about we try it this way, hmm? If your point was not contained within the post that sparked this off, then state it. Otherwise, quit pretending something was missed.

I define "rights" as they actually exist and affect or are affected by varied factors. You know: Reality. As for your oh so lovely dig: The funny part of that is that you actually think you know thing one as to how I'd approach an abuse of power. This is a privately owned forum, Second Life is owned by Linden Lab. At the end of the day they decide what power you have on their platforms and within their services - not you. The only ones who can tell them any differently? Courts and Governments - specifically those belonging to areas where they actually have a business presence (which amounts to a bit more than just taking your money) - you and I have no say. No really, we don't. Now if you really want to stretch it, the above is only partially mitigated by the "voice" we have as regards those making the varied laws that Linden Lab has to follow. However at the end of the day that is little more than using a proxy. You're at their whim when it comes to how it is implemented.

Nope.

I find naivety to be amusing. I also find the idea that the end users have "rights" they quite clearly do not have to be amusing.

No, I find the concept that "ethics" has anything to do with this to be amusing. You can discuss "ethics" all you want - it changes nothing.

They pay the tier, they get to decide who can be on the parcel. Beginning and end. Just like how Linden Lab operates where bans and such are concerned: Your rights are very limited when it comes to things like Second Life (and other social platforms/media) - like it or not. At the end of the day, Linden Lab decides who has access to their service or not and they have made it so that those who pay them tier or otherwise have access to the relevant parts of the Land Controls determine who has access or not with only Linden Lab able to override. Your only "right" in such a situation boils down to being able to complain on third party fora and a personal blog.

Hmm, picked it up myself just now and I must say .... if it were not for the fact that it is impossible to get the Winter hunt gifts LL has put out once their time has passed .... I may put it out on the floating island I have at my Den but at a hundred LI, I will need decent, low LI and affordable furniture. Part of the problem I have with decorating is that I try to keep at least three hundred LI free on the parcel - a little less is often fine. With one of my friends haing moved to her own parcel, I am at 544 LI .... The cabin eats a hundred of that so that leaves 444 - 144 if you factor in the buffer I like to try and keep. I am rubbish at furniture buying.

Yeah no, that looks and sounds perfectly fine to me. Too many new (and not so new) human avatars are still pushing seven and eight feet tall - easily dwarfing the avatar I use as the "norm" or baseline (a slightly shorter JOMO male fox) whereas I'd say that what you have there Abdashey would pretty much be well within the realm of realistic - even when compared against Fantasy types like me. ETA: For that matter, your avatar is actually taller than my RL self by about eight inches. So yeah, anyone trying to tell you that your avatar looks like a preteen or a teen needs their head examined.

Thing of it is that the location/ISP connection doesn't actually matter - the client has to poll your machine to see what is connected to it. If the machine never tells the client you have a Space Navigator connected, the client cannot make use of it. Windows, Mac, Linux .... No matter the Operating system there can be odd quirks and such introduced when updates occur. Prior to the most recent Kernel update on this machine (Linux based) a few software side audio sinks had to be manually started. Now they seem to start by themselves again. On an old machine that ran Windows, the audio system itself occasionally failed to initialize on boot and had to either be started manually or would force a reboot. Whether you're shutting your Macbook down before moving it or not, it really does seem as though the OS itself is occasionally not recognizing you've got that Space Navigator plugged into it. Unfortunately this can be a purely OS side issue or the hardware itself (the port it is being plugged into, the cable, the connector) is simply wearing out - which can happen. I wish I could be of more help but I'd have to have the machine in front of me to do much more than suggest.

No Kanry, that is Public Beta. Which Sansar is not ready for but was pushed to anyway. Now, get a room you two.