Sassy Romano

Dres, you are correct. I had re-aquainted myself with the JIRA you posted some time before you posted it but it remains the case that LL did not ban the feature, that was just fantasy from Prok.

Any default template avatar, without an AO. Usually augmented with "hi, how r u, where u frm?"

irihapeti wrote: the TrueCrypt devs have since abandoned their works and have also told people not to use it "the lark sings in the meadow" what does this mean ? is no need really to argle garble this text. Having computer to argle garble it, dont change what crypto actual is TrueCrypt never had a code review to accredit it for government grade so nothing more to say there. Your second point though is completely valid and illustrates another flaw in the reasoning by Prok. Communicating in clear text is even harder to decipher and guess what Prok, the standard LL viewer allows this. Horror!!! What to do about IM's in SL.. BAN THEM ALL I SAY. (even though the example was encoding not enciphering but that's splitting hairs )

Terrorist Life? oh god (pick your favourite one), don't tell Prok!

Seems like a fun thread, I was expecting just a blank original post to be honest but... sekimikaze wrote: I'm glad that this is all you can take from this, that I took Linden from someone...but you blatently ignore all the other things in the post ...just ...congrats like wow! Linden Lab is a business but not in the business to do relationship councelling. None of the whole relationship drama/saga has any relevance, nor can it be used as any justification for taking something that didn't belong to you. By your own action you ended up with a suspended account and while LL's customer service may sometimes be left wanting, had you not perforned your original action, you wouldn't have had it happen. Cause and effect. Now, me on the other hand, ended up with an account on hold because I was selling a legitimate object on Marketplace and ended up receiving L$27,000,000 but that's another story. How was THAT fair?! I still haven't figured out which way up to eat chocolate biscuits for best effect.

About the correct application for the job Darrius, I agree with you but my point was to demonstrate to Prok that right now, with the currently supplied LL viewer, Second Life can be used as an end to end transport of encrypted messages that LL CANNOT intercept. A demonstration exercise. As for keyloggers (software), they're handy if people use keys for text when the text entry mechanism runs in a security domain accessible to the keylogging code plus they need to get it onto the device in the first place. Sure there are other methods such as handy USB cables/hubs that you thought you were buying from Amazon but were in fact intercepted in the supply chain and substituted for a nice one with "extra bits" but now we're into the realm of being a threat actor of very significant interest and resource being deployed against. The object is to not become that threat actor of interest in the first place and sending an email saying "here's my secret key" (attachment) would be the wrong way of doing it. Point remains, SL can be used as a transport for data inaccessible to LL and Prok is living in a fantasy world in believing that it cannot be done and should be prevented because it's pretty much near on impossible.

Indeed. Padding of data prior to encryption is pretty fundamental and the rest of your post holds true. The other factor however is the time or relevance of the message. It's not much help breaking that message next week if it refers to a time critical event tomorrow. Besides, the objective is to derive the key or rather find it, be that by exploiting a weakness in the storage mechanism of the key or similar. Nothing quite like a hot soldering iron or electric drill being offered to the eyes of your children to see how ones resolve to protect a key lasts. Or maybe a power saw to shorten limbs bit by bit. Though not typically government methods that are necessarily the first response. No, ours just says "if you won't give us the keys, we'll just jail you anyway". Guilty until proven innocent.

All in the timing Darrius

ChinRey wrote: He does know now though and that's what really matters. Not quite. It's not what he knows that matters but what he does with the information.

I doubt you need to include joint positions

CheriColette wrote: ....just go 50/50 Sassy. One with chocolate up, the next with it down. That doesn't help, what should I end on? chocolate up or down? I've had this argument over and over with people, those who argue chocolate should hit the tongue first to taste it properly vs balancing the taste of chocolate with the lesser taste of the biscuit base. It's not simple this eating a choccie bickie.

irihapeti wrote you are so broken. Imma own all ur stuffs q; (: Indeed and of course choosing a simple shift cipher wasn't going to be a challenge and was for fun to see who would be first to spot it but next time it'll be AES256 with appropriate keygen outside of SL and keys exchanged outside of SL and then it won't be so easy and that's how anyone could send messages via SL without LL having an chance of intercept. Game, set and match to the end user, LL and intermediaries lose... today... no viewer changes required. So what should LL do, ban their own viewer?

Couple of other things, Phoenix was ceased for other published reasons, OTR was not one of them. Second, kindly give me the respect of not referring to me as a member of some made up collective noun for any group you don't share the opinion of. Continue and I'll just refer to you as "one of those civil rights shedding clueless lunatics". Fair?

Prokofy Neva wrote: As for this sort of thing: "Please send me all your private bank account details and CC me in all your private email, you have nothing to hide, you've already started such" from another poster, this is tiresome, and the usual snotty answer from extremists and crypto-anarchists who can't differentiate between the various goods of society.Banks encrypt your data so that you are not robbed. But that doesn't mean that by the same analogy your communications should also be wrapped up like a bank vault that police even with a warrant cannot break into, even if you are a terrorist attacking Paris. So I take it that you're not willing to send it to me then, you have something to hide I guess! You've been brainwashed into believing that 2+2=6 and yet are not prepared to listen to a 5 minute explanation as to why you're wrong that 2+2 in fact equals 4 because that's just geek and below your level of debate. From your writing, it's clear that you don't understand encryption and as such, are not able to understand why your argument is ridiculously flawed. You understand the point of encryption yes but not the mechanics and the issues with what your expecations are that follow. By the way banks don't encrypt my data so that i'm not robbed, they encrypt it so that THEY'RE not robbed. I guess you've never worked for a bank either? You may wish to check YOUR Bill of Rights, the one for my country precedes yours by a hundred years and includes that subjects should be free from government interference. When a government acts illegally and snoops on its subjects and is then part of a legal prosecution and subsequently retrospectivly changes legislation to make it all go away, that's not one that wins favour. You may disagree but good luck proving that 2+2=6. It took 358 years to prove Fermat's last theorem but I hope you'll take somewhat shorter. And... whether LL "tolerate" strong encryption is irrelevant. Anyone with nefarious intent doesn't need either LL chat or encryption to perform criminal acts WITHIN Second Life and further, there's nothing that LL could do to prevent strong encryption that they cannot intercept WITHIN Second Life so i'm sorry to pop your bubble but that's just how it is already. I'd explain why in one sentence but hey, that's just geek so irrelevant yes? I'll give you a clue though, rapelcgvba vfa'g nobhg ubj fgebat gur nytbevguz vf gubhtu, jr nyernql unir gubfr, vg'f nobhg xrl trarengvba, xrl genafcbeg naq xrl pbasvqragvnyvgl. Vs V trarengr xrlf bhgfvqr bs FY naq genafcbeg gurz bhg bs onaq gb zl pbubegf, V pna fraq pvcure grkg nyy qnl ybat va VZ'f naq YY pna'g gbhpu vg. V pbhyq unir cevzf vafvqr FY npgvat nf jro genafcbegf sbe zl pvcuregrkg jvgu ab fabbcnoyr frffvba xrlf rire tbvat guebhtu YY'f favssvat.

*sighs* As numerous have already pointed out, we've done that over and over, weary of it, they don't listen and this is the result. I for one am not going to repeat the same offers of solutions over again and expect a different result but I wish you luck. I'll sure that your membership of the club will be held open as long as SL lasts that long.

He probably means that he'll clone the look, textures and so on. There are various ways. I very much doubt he intends or has the capability to hijack your account unless he's going to offer you a link that you stupidly click on and follow and provide your login credentials to a fake page. How to deal with them in the future, mute and carry on. You can TP away if you wish. LOL to rumours about connection to LL. Honestly. I've been threatened with "My dad works for the FBI" before, that was a good laugh too. Along with another who worked for the police and was "In SL to clean it up" and another who was "working for a government and LL to investigate various things". Guess what came of all of them? I'll write it up below the line... ____________________________________

Let me just look into your account details here... one moment... ah yes. There's information on your file that says "Contact LL billing support because residents have no sight of any of your financial information". (We have no idea, maybe you double clicked a purchase, whatever, we can't see any details. It's up to you, LL and your bank.

I've been doing this since 2008, trying to explain simple things, i'm not new at this thanks. For example:- polysail wrote: Problem #2 : DEMOS Existing listings. Again ~ an offshoot of the prior dilemma. A lot of people have chosen to label their demos differently. Not everyone with a marketplace shop currently is there to manage / curate it. Catagorizing existing listings into specialized "DEMO" classifications automatically cannot be 100% accurate. Not everyone's demo items are linked to a main item. . Right, straight away, think it through, if the item is NOT linked to a main item then by definition it is NOT a demo. It's merely a discrete Marketplace listing on its own, it may have no useful features, may be textured oddly etc. but it is certainly NOT a demo as far as Marketplace is concerned. If someone has chosen to pretend it's a demo and wants the customer to play "hunt the listing" then they're simply not using Marketplace correctly and no, we're not going to expect to cover all cases where people can't drive properly. Lets please stick to how MP functions should work based upon the functions provided. Shall we discuss multiple listings for each different colour or would you accept that they too should be under the same listing but LL never implemented that, it's not hard... I don't believe LL are incompetent, they are however unaccountable and dismissive, unengaged and disinterested. Or at least, that's the impression given and please don't read any of the above as hostile towards you, it's not intended that way either but I and others have been here over and over and we're not negative, just wonder why LL constantly ignores what is obvious and asked for. Besides which, it doesn't matter whether it's difficult or not, the most important things that affect people (their stakeholders) should receive the attention don't you think? That's not what happens. They've spent pretty much 2 years very slowly fixing something of entirely their own making and around that all we've really had is contant meddling with search, never with a good outcome. If you're new to Marketplace, you'll see over time how it goes but LL seem to underestimate the RL skills and RL job roles of their customer base while making mistakes that those of us in similar roles would be reprimanded, called to account for or even fired. It's as if they look upon us as little children rather than people with equal or greater combined skill. Fascinating really! (anyway, I really really wanted to stay out of this thread but have only managed to disappoint myself for letting myself get dragged in )

For simplicity, you may want to break up you mesh image into sectors such that they will be individual objects. While you can use llDetectedTouchUV to determine where was touched, the mapping on an oddly shaped object would be potentially a lot of work compared with detecting a touched link. You'll want to look at llSay (or variants) to send the texture via a message and the listen function to hear. Finally, llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast to set texture or llSetTexture. It depends on how the mesh object is made. A HUD is just an object attached to HUD. DO NOT develop it while attached! If you crash out the sim does, you'll lose all your script edits. Been there done that far too often.

While a chip buttie is always appealing, my dilemma concerns chocolate digestives and solving the question of whether they should be consumed with the chocolate facing up or down.

Be under no illusion, none of this would have been instigated by any altruistic intent to address the needs of merchants. This feedback has been given over and over and each time work is stated, none of it is to address feedback and requirements. This initiative will have been driven by an LL cost saving exercise and since they've not responded to their stakeholders, what this work is supposed to solve for US, this will remain my perspective. As such, little of our 15 pages of feedback is what they want to hear about. *shrugs*

Google and eBay seem more obvious choices than a wanted forum read by a miniscule minority of an already niche base of a platform dwindling in demand.

You can complain/report to anyone you like. A tip: someone's opinion only matters if you choose to value it. Did the creators name begin with M by any chance?

Thanks Karen, saved me the bother. If pretty much assumed chat was session encrypted or at least obfuscated between client and SL by now though given that LL really has no security culture, anything is possible As regards Phoenix "end to end" encryption being visible to LL, it should not have been. Not if implemented as a proper end to end method. Apparently though they failed to implement a method of secure keying so intercept would have been via eavesdrop rather than as an expectation. Proper end to end would only have the end points being able to derive the cipher key locally, thus any intercept would be rendered useless.

Same tired statements typical from the brainwashed masses. No problem though, because you clearly don't understand the details, there's no point trying to explain why you're horribly wrong and accept the support of privacy invasion. Please send me all your private bank account details and CC me in all your private email, you have nothing to hide, you've already started such.