Phil Deakins

Just a quickie on what's been written about Sansar in the last few posts... Unless LL's thinking has changed, or unless I've had it all wrong for years, they don't have a "target audience", and they are not aiming it at anyone in the way that's been described. To the best of my knowledge, all they are doing is creating a system whereby anyone who wants to can pay to use their system to create their own environments/worlds. It's not too dissimilar to a computer. The manufacturer creates the computer (the system) that will run the programmes you want it to run, but it doesn't have any programmes in it. It's then up to you to create (or buy) the programmes you want, and put them in it. It will probably be that, when Sansar is launched, LL will have a range of basic environments for the customer to choose from, similar to what they have now.

'Those magnificent men in their flying machines'

Are they always links to twitter? It's not just the posts that need removing - imo, of course Especially if he's doing something like you said, because it's abuse of the forum - again, imo.

I don't get it. The octopusrift tag goes to a page of joke twitter posts, which is nothing worth doing seo for. Also, it's his only post here that has that tag, so it's poor seo if that's his game.

I wonder what the OP's game is. He keeps starting stupid threads and doesn't partake in them. It's obviously some sort of game to him. Perhaps he is experimenting with people here - like rats. Or maybe he is wanting to see how many idiotic threads he can start before people stop responding to them.

You haven't yet said what payment method you've tried to use. LL only accepts certain ones, as was pointed out earlier. If you're trying to use one that LL doesn't accept, you won't have any joy, even though it works fine in other places. We can all assure of this:- the payment methods that LL accepts do work here.

Heads up: Klaus doesn't seem to be interested in any answers. He posted the questions last Thursday and hasn't been back since.

What sort of improvements?

Brilliant, Alwin! I'd forgotten about that. From the OP's post, it sounds like the active group may not have been changed to suit the objects being clicked.

The hand appears when there's a 'touched' event in a script. I don't know if it still appears when the script is not running, and I'm about to go out, so I can't log in to check it. But, if it does appear when the script isn't running, that place may have turned all their scripts off. On the other hand, it may be that the criteria required for the clicks to go through aren't set up to suit your avatar. That would seem strange since the problem occurs with different objects there. It's even possible that the scripts have black lists that you're on. Where's @Qie Niangao when you need him?

I agree with those who suggest having limits. Until I read this thread, I didn't know that the sculpty system was pushed beyond what was intended, but I did know that it happened with mesh. Mesh avatars weren't expected or intended. I was aware that mesh is often made so that it has a significantly heavier impact than necessary. I didn't know that Firestorm changed a default setting to deal with bad design. It all sounds like quite a mess, and I do think it's time to apply the brakes, in the form of the suggested limits.

You mean........an SL2? What you've described in this thread, including the videos, reminds me of what we (I, anyway) imagined when LL announced that they are starting work on "the next generation", saying that, "If we don't do it, somebody else will", and we all thought it was going to be a souped-up SL, so we refered to it as SL2. You've described a 'souped-up SL', and I think it's such a pity that LL meant something that has all the hallmarks of being a pipedream instead. Sansar.

Now that idea is very scary. It sounds like pushing people away from prims, and that would make SL a completely different thing to what it has always been. It's bad enough that you can't be decent creator of saleable goods these days without doing it externally, and spending a huge amount of time learning how to do it. I really don't want prims pushed out. I know that's not what you meant, but the very idea is still scary.

Ok.

Most of it, no. Mainly just the Title.

I know, but I was on my first cup of tea of the day, and there was nothing of interest in my Unread Content, so I thought I'd pass a bit of time with this thread. I'm on my first coffee of the day now

I didn't think I'd bother with this thread since its such a regular topic here. But I've nothing better to do right now so... Whilst SL may be a game in some people's minds, it isn't actually a game, because, in itself, it has nothing of what a game actually has. A game has objectives and game rules. SL doesn't have either of those. Board games are games. Football and other field games are games. There are card games as well as many other types of game, including little games that people invent on the spot for themselves, but SL, in itself, isn't even remotely similar to any of them in terms of objectives and rules on how to play it, simply because it doesn't have any. SL is an online 3D place to be. And that's all it is. The only similarity SL has to some actual games is that it's a 3D world. But that's it. Nothing more. Imagine SL as a brand new creation and open for the very first time. As chance would have it, you are the very first person to log in. What would you find? You'd probably look around to try and learn how to play this game, but you wouldn't find anything, because there isn't anything, except move around the place. There's nothing to actually do. You wouldn't find an objective to achieve, so you wouldn't find any rules about achieving it. Perhaps you'd think that it needs more than one player, so you wait until some more people log in, and you discuss what you need to be doing to play this game, but you come up with nothing, because there isn't anything. SL is a place, and that's all it is. Nothing more and nothing less. It's just a place. Some people do make games for themselves within SL, but that's just people being creative. It's not SL itself. In a similar way, people could invent little games for themselves in a closed RL room, perhaps with a coin, just to pass the time. Some people think of SL as a game, because it looks a lot like some games they know, but that's just the way some people choose to think. It doesn't turn SL into a game. SL is nothing more than an online 3D place in which to be. And that's all it is. What people make of it is entirely up to them. It allows people to create things, including games, and some people do that. Even LL did that (sort of) in more recent times. It allows people to run businesses, and some people do that. It allows people to race and fly, and all sorts of things, and some people do those. And so on. All of that is extra to SL itself, which remains nothing more than an online 3D place in which to be. It's people who come up with things to do in the SL place. It isn't SL itself. Imagine coming into SL for the very first time, and you ask people, "How do I play this game?" or "What do I have to do here?" or "Are there levels I have to achieve?" and so on. Simply imagining asking those and similar questions, will show that SL is not an actual game. Does anyone ever think, "I'm going to play SL now"? I doubt it. Instead we think, "I'm going to log in to SL now", or "I'm going to play <some game> in SL now", which are quite different.

Like bird-watching?

Aaah. Thank you, Theresa. So Dakota got it wrong and I didn't read on.

Not according to Dakota's post that LittleMe linked to. In fact, I posted about it in a reply to Dakota.

It's a standard SL setting. If a parcel is set to not allow others to see avatars on the parcel, camming in can't see them. They might see the undulating matress, but not the avatars on it

What does what do? The security system, or the camera system?

I remember it now. Thank you. If Dakota is correct, and that's not guaranteed, then the way that last-name-changes is planned to be done is ridiculous. In fact it's bl**dy stupid. Bringing last names back is good, but not having the ability to change or modify first names is idiotic, bcause new accounts will still have to come up with a unique first name to go with the Resident last name, such as Phil123765, and it can't be changed. If they do it the way that Dakota wrote, what started as a good idea will become a real pig's ear.

You wrote that the 2 big bits north of Mexico both speak the King's english. The only two big bits I know are the U.S. and Canada, Canada being by far the biggest of the two. So I pointed to the fact that Canada (the biggest bit) still has Queen Elizabeth II as their queen, and therefore speaks the Queen's english..

I have an unfinished security system that I've spent a lot of time on. It's the bees knees of security systems, but there came a time not many weeks ago when I got a bit bored of doing it, so it remains unfinished. I was only creating it for the enjoyment in doing it, so it doesn't matter that it didn't (yet) get finished. I know that there's another project from quite recently that also didn't get finished, but I can't remember what it is lol. ETA: I logged in to see if I could find a clue about what it is. It's a camera system.