Phil Deakins

Thank you, Drayke. I have a bit of chip on my shoulder about the disappeared ability to create and successfully sell objects in SL. Well, perhaps not a chip, but a very big, permanent moan. I've posted it several times. SL just ain't wot it used to be, and I think it's a real shame. LL has let the basic brilliantness of SL slip away, and I'm all for your ideas.

Done more testing, and this is what I found... All tested accounts show up in the legacy search, so they all correspond to an inworld avatar. The first 3 accounts showed up in the web search, but they had all logged in, although 1 of them not for several months, and the other 2 for much longer than that. The last test I did was searching for an avatar that hasn't logged in at least since the GSA was abandoned for the web search, and a freebie search engine used instead. Like the others, it shows in the legacy search, but unlike the others, it doesn't show in the web search. Two possible reasons spring to mind. One is that LL did what they were planning to do, and limit the avatars database (for search) to those that have logged in within the last nn days. 30 days was talked about but, if they did that, then they've extended it because 3 of those test avatars haven't logged in for months. The other, and more likely reason imo, is that, when the freebie search engine was started, the avatars database for it started from scratch (empty), and avatars were added to it as they logged in. If that's the case, the avatar in my 4th test would not show in the web search, because it hasn't logged in as far as the freebie engine is concerned. It does show in the legacy search though. So, based on that, and assuming that Prok meant alts and not nicknames, new accounts are not added to the web search unless they log in. My guess is that new accounts are included in the legacy search, and correspond to inworld avatars, but that can only be known by creating one.

I've done the test with an avatar that hasn't logged into SL for a lot of years. She comes up in both searches - web and legacy.

Don't need a new account for it. I have loads of alts that haven't logged in for years. I'll PM you.

I think you will show in search. I don't know why you wouldn't show up in the web search (I think you probably do), but I'm sure you will in the legacy search. ETA: Correction. Many years ago, they reduced, or they were looking at reducing, the size of the database (and web search results) by only including those who had logged in in the previous 30 days. If they did that, and still do it, then you'll be right about not showing in the web search, but I still think you'll show in the legacy search. I could be wrong, of course.

But it still corresponds to "an actual avatar inworld". An avatar doesn't need to be logged in, or to ever log in, for that to be true.

I won't bother wearing one then

Did you try farting in the dresses? Maybe that's what they meant by "wind movement", and the dress would billow out at the back. Try it. I may be right

Do you mean nicknames or alt names? They are completely different things. I was going to write that I didn't know you could use a nickname for the forum, but a couple of posts seemed to indicate that you mean alts, and yet what I quoted clearly indicates nicknames, because alts do correspond to actual avatars inworld. Is that the actual reason why Desmond Shang no longer posts in the forum? It's been many years since he posted - I think long before this forum software, and I don't think that all the forum programmes we've had allowed nicknames.

"Those magnificent men in their flying machines" is the first line of an old, and well-known song, so I wrote it down for you, thinking that you couldn't remember it exactly. It's the title song for an old film called, 'Those magnificent men in their flying machines'

Just a quickie on what's been written about Sansar in the last few posts... Unless LL's thinking has changed, or unless I've had it all wrong for years, they don't have a "target audience", and they are not aiming it at anyone in the way that's been described. To the best of my knowledge, all they are doing is creating a system whereby anyone who wants to can pay to use their system to create their own environments/worlds. It's not too dissimilar to a computer. The manufacturer creates the computer (the system) that will run the programmes you want it to run, but it doesn't have any programmes in it. It's then up to you to create (or buy) the programmes you want, and put them in it. It will probably be that, when Sansar is launched, LL will have a range of basic environments for the customer to choose from, similar to what they have now.

'Those magnificent men in their flying machines'

Are they always links to twitter? It's not just the posts that need removing - imo, of course Especially if he's doing something like you said, because it's abuse of the forum - again, imo.

I don't get it. The octopusrift tag goes to a page of joke twitter posts, which is nothing worth doing seo for. Also, it's his only post here that has that tag, so it's poor seo if that's his game.

I wonder what the OP's game is. He keeps starting stupid threads and doesn't partake in them. It's obviously some sort of game to him. Perhaps he is experimenting with people here - like rats. Or maybe he is wanting to see how many idiotic threads he can start before people stop responding to them.

You haven't yet said what payment method you've tried to use. LL only accepts certain ones, as was pointed out earlier. If you're trying to use one that LL doesn't accept, you won't have any joy, even though it works fine in other places. We can all assure of this:- the payment methods that LL accepts do work here.

Heads up: Klaus doesn't seem to be interested in any answers. He posted the questions last Thursday and hasn't been back since.

What sort of improvements?

Brilliant, Alwin! I'd forgotten about that. From the OP's post, it sounds like the active group may not have been changed to suit the objects being clicked.

The hand appears when there's a 'touched' event in a script. I don't know if it still appears when the script is not running, and I'm about to go out, so I can't log in to check it. But, if it does appear when the script isn't running, that place may have turned all their scripts off. On the other hand, it may be that the criteria required for the clicks to go through aren't set up to suit your avatar. That would seem strange since the problem occurs with different objects there. It's even possible that the scripts have black lists that you're on. Where's @Qie Niangao when you need him?

I agree with those who suggest having limits. Until I read this thread, I didn't know that the sculpty system was pushed beyond what was intended, but I did know that it happened with mesh. Mesh avatars weren't expected or intended. I was aware that mesh is often made so that it has a significantly heavier impact than necessary. I didn't know that Firestorm changed a default setting to deal with bad design. It all sounds like quite a mess, and I do think it's time to apply the brakes, in the form of the suggested limits.

You mean........an SL2? What you've described in this thread, including the videos, reminds me of what we (I, anyway) imagined when LL announced that they are starting work on "the next generation", saying that, "If we don't do it, somebody else will", and we all thought it was going to be a souped-up SL, so we refered to it as SL2. You've described a 'souped-up SL', and I think it's such a pity that LL meant something that has all the hallmarks of being a pipedream instead. Sansar.

Now that idea is very scary. It sounds like pushing people away from prims, and that would make SL a completely different thing to what it has always been. It's bad enough that you can't be decent creator of saleable goods these days without doing it externally, and spending a huge amount of time learning how to do it. I really don't want prims pushed out. I know that's not what you meant, but the very idea is still scary.

Ok.

Most of it, no. Mainly just the Title.