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Void's answer is pretty much all you need for this. The problem becomes trivial once "the given face" is abandoned in favor of "local offset" -- that is, the desired x, y, z offset from the center of the zero-rotated prim. As she mentions, the llGetRot() is to maintain that offset relative to any other orientation of the prim. (In the general case, numbered faces aren't necessarily where you'd expect to find them when a prim acquires or loses cuts, hollow surfaces, etc., so a face-relative script that's supposed to be robust to all that is either horrendously complicated or wrong.)

Gents, it's angels dancing on the head of a pin. If by some magic, processors were free -- heck, even if power, A/C, network bandwidth, and datacenter operations were also free -- it would only reduce LL's total expenses by... what? Less than half, surely. If it were a larger share, they wouldn't be spending enough on R&D to stay competitive in this business. It's not as if LL's Land product is a commodity webhosting service. (That's not even the case for the OpenSim grids.)

Yes, there is a delay. It's wildly variable, too, anywhere from a couple days to several weeks.

Products available on the market to help with the care of Meeroos. The chance to showcase any products you may have created for Meeroos. Whatever you do, don't promote Meeroo-related products without rigorous testing for lag. Although Meeroos themselves have some fairly sophisticated scripting to constrain demand on sim resources, I've seen some horrendously lag-inducing third-party products. This is not good for Meeroos, nor for responsible creators of related products.

That is another side of it, with as yet unknown effect: the barrier to entry -- already very low for SL businesses -- has fallen as near to zero as makes no difference. Now there's practically no competitive advantage gained by knowing anything at all about marketing, and only minimal power remaining in "known" brands. So, independent of the in-world shopping experience, there is an upside: It's liberating to see marketing reduced to acommodity.

Actually, I own Apple stock. But I'm holding it only because they keep churning out great quarterly numbers. Those are more than reflected in the stock price, of course, but for now the Greater Fool theory still applies. It is foolish, though, long term, unless they can generate return on all that capital they're amassing. That is true business, and if the best they can do is sit on cash, the clock is ticking. Funny you should mention the Nortel patent buy. An interesting takeover target for Apple would be another partner in that transaction: RIM. It's worthless as an ongoing tech play, but it's available in the bargain bin now and would further bulk up Apple's patent portfolio (with relevant patents, even -- not that this particularly matters) and give them a lock on nearly 100% of RIM's remaining government and enterprise customers, the majority of which will otherwise drift to Android. (It would actually be an even better buy for Google, but Android's manufacturers now have such horrific entangled patent problems that RIM's portfolio wouldn't even make a dent. And now MPEG LA is playing patent terrorist to Google's WebM initiative.)

iAntonio Vyper wrote: Thank you, five IF and I've completed it :robothappy: There's an easier way. A prim can have only a finite number of sides, starting at 0. A list of URLs starts at element 0, too. So... not so many ifs needed, really. (I was all ready for this thread to be about the absurd 10-second sleep incurred by the llLoadURL() call, or one of its other misfeatures.)

Yeah, all that cash on hand is not a sign of a healthy business. If Apple doesn't have ways to invest that profitably in its own business -- new product development, acquisitions, whatever -- it shows that they've outgrown their strategic vision and become a hedge fund with a sideline of branding consumer electronics. Apple has never been any good at acquisitions; it's not a new problem. Instead, they've lately developed the corporate hobby of patent trolling.

LL should never have bought-out the commerce sites if they weren't going to use them to enhance in-world commerce. And it would have been so easy to get it right. In fact, they could have saved a ton of money and now have integrated in-world and on-web search, instead of wasting almost two years trying to salvage GSA in-world and letting Marketplace run open-loop. Back in the day, Jack mentioned that they intended Marketplace to sell stuff other than in-world virtual goods, so that was why they weren't integrating it. One of the most obviously doomed ideas in the history of bad business decisions. Now that they've been forced into having a common search engine, they're marching backwards towards an integrated corpus. "Backwards" because they're integrating from Inventory (losing the magic boxes) instead of stuff rezzed on parcels -- the one place the Lab actually makes significant revenue. (Marketplace fees and advertising, even if we interpret those L$ sinks as revenue for LL, could barely cover the cost of keeping the site online and staffed.) It's also a very good point that SL is a lot less interesting an environment when it's all "residential." Increasingly, I see purely ornamental commercial builds, just to break up the monotony of one pixel mansion after another. That's nice and all, but it doesn't address the decline of in-world shopping as an activity.

Bad? On the contrary, it's commendably healthy. It shows that your mother let you play with dollies all you wanted as a child. :smileywink:

VonGklugelstein Alter wrote: http://www.gridsurvey.com/index.php The numbers of abandoned land is not reflective of what is actually happening. Abandoned land used to be purple and stayed purple on the map until it was sold at auction. Now they are hiding the amount of land that is unowned and only the actual parcels in the auction cue are purple. If they let the abandoned land show on the map it would be frightening... I see an incredible amount of land abandoned everywhere I look and I look a lot. I think Roads and other things like rivers etc only account for about 10-15% of all land owned.. but I doubt that we will ever find out exact numbers.. Umm, no. Abandoned land only ever showed purple after it was assigned an auction id. They seem to be fairly aggressively keeping the auction queue full these days, with as many parcels at auction as I can recall (at least since the time when the spare Zindra parcels were up for grabs). The difference now is that (almost) all the freshly abandoned land shows as yellow because it is automatically set for sale at L$1/sq.m. shortly after it is abandoned. Now, there is another way that land can be non-performing, even though it isn't strictly abandoned, and that's when the land belongs to terminated accounts. There's a fair amount of that around although it takes a bit of effort to track down, especially if it's owned by a defunct or no-contribution group. That won't be reflected in Tyche's statistics. ... ETA: First, to clarify, the non-performing land I mentioned won't be reflected as Linden-owned, but will instead appear on the other side of that balance, as if it were still owned by a valid resident, even though it's not. Also, to amplify a bit on the "protected" land: This has grown a lot in the past year or two because the Lab has added a bunch of water sims (some Homesteads, some full-primmed) to benefit sailing for Mainland and (some) for the private sims around the Blake Sea. There's always been a lot of Linden-owned Mainland, though, including all the welcome areas, Linden Village, at least half of any double-primmed sim, various Mole-built destinations, sandboxes, event sims, etc. The roads and rails are only a small part of the Linden-owned Mainland.

I'm not sure how elaborate a mechanism is warranted by this application -- a second-long sleep may be good enough -- but to avoid hitting the system throttle and still be able to issue short bursts of requests, there's some non-trivial bookkeeping involved. It's especially non-trivial if your script has other timer-based processing, asynchronous with the HTTP requests. Although I've not used this feature of the llHTTPRequest() call, it does return NULL_KEY if it hits the throttle, so in theory you could just put it in a sleep-retry loop whenever that condition obtains. I think, however, when it hits the throttle, it does something undesirable in a product... probably it complains on DEBUG_CHANNEL or something.

Chronometria wrote: I am also in a super happy mood as Guy Linden kindly sorted out the abandoned lot "donut hole" in my property and gave me some nearby micro plots as well. Now to get building! Guy is amazing. Incidentally, abandoned land -- set with proper permissions and reverted to original terraforming -- is about the best neighbor you could hope for on the Mainland. It's sort of like living next to a cemetary: the neighbors are very quiet. No crowd of avatars, no shouting genitals / lucky chairs / fake copybot detectors, no additional textures to lag the viewer, and no breedable critters to lag the sim.

Dorientje Woller wrote: ... a bunch of alt accounts are created to obtain those free lindens by this vote box... Whoa. That's a whole different kind of vote box. Does anything like that still exist, given that Traffic has nearly zero effect on Search ranking? I understood the whole rest of this thread to be referring to the old green vote boxes that were part of an ancient, Linden-run system that paid out to the landowner, not to anybody touching the box.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but I suspect places with the vote boxes are fully aware that they don't serve their original purpose, but having them there still gives "voters" the illusion of contributing to the tribe. I bet those "voters" are several times more likely to return than are folks who never saw a vote box. Cognitive dissonance FTW.

If folks used Google to search for answers to LSL questions, then... But wait. If we wanted to do that, why would we avoid StackOverflow itself?

Folks interested in this thread might possibly be interested in several Hippoden parcels at auction, closing tomorrow (Monday). There's been a fairly steady stream of auction parcels in these sims, but this seemed a larger than usual batch all at once.

Sorry to necropost, but this is the nearest thing I could find, searching this forum, after having completely ignored Mesh for a few months. Now having run into this, I have to say: WTF? It used to be possible to have Mesh objects with a PE of 1. Do they really mean to make that impossible? If so, it means there's a minimum geometric complexity needed for it to make any sense to use Mesh at all. That's fine, if that's all they want Mesh for, but it precludes a whole class of geometric objects we were originally led to believe could use Mesh to reduce rendering complexity. Maybe the Mesh implementation optimized for something else, such that it really can't provide that rendering advantage at the bottom end. I'd like to hear the Mesh folks admit that openly, though, if that's the case. (Off topic for this very retro-thread, but still annoying: It's a Very Bad Move to be weighting scripts in the Mesh PE calculations because that needs to be controlled for all objects, not just Mesh. Unlike rendering complexity, it can be. Or, it could be, if it weren't confounded into the Mesh PE calculations. Jeez. I let them run open-loop for a few months, and look at the mess they make.)

This is all really a tangent to the sentiments in this thread, but now that it's out there: I wouldn't be too quick to label as "racist" a reluctance to call something a "terrorist attack." It seems to me that there's a kind of semantic continuum to "terrorist" with more or less the following sequence, from strongest to weakest association with the term: Identical in every way to the current prototypes (9/11, 7/7, etc.), including being executed by al Qaeda itself. Executed by another organized Islamicist group. Executed by an international group that's not Islamicist. Executed by a domestic group. Executed by a member of a group that has stated terrorist intent, but the act was not condoned by that group (and which act may have effects counter to the group's objectives) Executed by some isolated individual intending to cause terror but not as a member of any particular group. Executed by some isolated individual too crazy to have any particular intent at all. As far as I understand the current hypothesis about this tragic event, it's somewhere between 5 and 6 on this scale. To be "racist", the threshold of "terrorist" would have to be between 2 and 3. If a speaker sets the threshold anywhere else, I don't see how "race" is really relevant to the (lack of) label.

I have seen some places (animators mostly, IIRC) that require the buyer to explicitly acknowledge additional restrictive licensing terms before they can purchase full-perm items. That makes the whole transaction more like a "shrink-wrap" license agreement. (Not that those are to be emulated, but they're better than any other analogy that comes to mind.) That's all in stark contrast to what you say is in that tutorial example. To me, if an item is sold as full-perm without clear prior notice of license restrictions, and then such restrictions are stipulated later in a notecard, it would be fraud. It still wouldn't give the buyer the right to use the product in violation of the more restrictive license, but it would be false advertising to such a degree that the seller would certainly owe a full refund of the purchase price (at least). Good luck collecting, though.

Melita Magic wrote: Nothing against a city/continent - wide group at all. Meetings...ugh. If I have to ;p Might want to invite Bay Citizens to the meetings, to keep it interesting. I've always found Bay City Alliance meetings to be something of a highlight to the week. Can't quite say that for Zindra, though, so YMMV.

Yet apparently his Twitter and Facebook accounts were only a week old. "Apparently" because there's been so much mistaken information. "Fog of war" sort of thing. Before this, I had no awareness of Norwegian neo-nazis. So I don't know how apt the comparison, but from here it all feels so like Timothy McVeigh and Oklahoma City. With extra fiendishness: before this, who would ever have thought a fatal bombing of government buildings to be merely a cover for the actual attack? In any case. Tragic. One hopes Norwegians find a way to make something positive of this, in their recovery from the mourning. The world's hearts are with them today.

I watched the video. I think my suggestion would be to spend a few days with somebody who actually manages land listings, trying to forget that you had anything developed already, instead watching and listening carefully to what they do and say. Personally, it seems pretty backwards to be entering all this listing information manually on a website, instead of just using an in-world HUD that can know a bunch of stuff about the property automatically (name, description, location, size, maturity rating, Mainland/Estate, Full Sim/Homestead/OpenSpace, etc) and pushing all that info to a web hosted database. Whether end users will want to search through a web app directly or using some in-world interface is another question. Nobody will buy or rent SL land without visiting the parcel first, but it's not too painful to teleport from a web page, if there's a compelling reason to only expose a web search interface. Also, requiring a WordPress site would drastically reduce the market for a software delivery model; if you're locked into WordPress, I think you'll really have no choice but to deliver the service instead. Finally, SL business-wise, this isn't 2006 any more. Although there are still some folks making some money on "SL business tools," there's not big money lying around waiting to be scooped up. Notably, SL land margins are under extreme pressure, so there'd need to be a really big, compelling competitive need to put any money into such a service. Perhaps the service needs to be a kind of MLS to which land dealers either subscribe or lose sales to their competitors. Of course, for that to work, there have to be competitors making sales from the service, so you might need to change the service to be sale of premium listings, and populate non-premium listings by constantly bot scraping land search data.

Now for something completely different. The StackExchange sites are a bit like Answers, but it's broader than that: any measurement of repeated social behavior -- posting on the Forums, for example -- is going to follow some power law, to some degree. If one were monitoring the health of these Forums, it might be one way to analyze usage statistics.

And both llTargetOmega and PRIM_OMEGA persist after shift-drag and after removal of the script. (But not after shift-drag of a rotating prim from which the script has been removed. That is, if you shift-drag and the script is in the prim, the copy works fine. If the script is removed, the original still works, but the copy doesn't. As I recall, that's the way it has always worked for me.) Well, but AFAIK the only way the still-scripted shift-dragged copy works is if the script executes llTargetOmega() again in the copy, as would be the case if it's called in state_entry(). I'm quite willing to accept that it always worked the way it does now, but Dekka is reporting that there's been some change.