Trinity Yazimoto

yeah im often told im bizarre lol, but anyway the topic is not about my own psychology but about my dress. so, ive reimported it in blender but as unlinked. so it came in 4 parts : the underdress, the top ruffled part, the front ruffle part and the back ruffled part. ive lowered the poly amount and solidified each part separately. my dress was 93 k polys from MD, it is now 27341 WITH the modify included. So far, thanks to Medhue i found a way to find the unweigthed and zero weigth vertice, so im correcting this manually. i still havent uploaded it in the beta, so idk what it will give. I will see... but indeed, i start considering i should give up everythign about blender and md and start again from zero with maya, what should be the more sensible decision .... I will see...

i havent said that. i said im not going to open it right now bec i dont feel to start learning another software while im still in process for learning 2 other ones. Of course, im going to open it as soon as possible.

Well first, thank you Astrid and Medhue for your quick answers. Im going to try what you say Medhue and i have a friend who gave me a 2 hours lesson this morning by screen sharing, so i m going to try to fix. @ Astrid. my dress looks like this : So im not going to extrude each face. As i said ive already reduced the polygons ammount and it s now less than half it i was in MD. Close to 1/3 . i think i can still reduce the underdress amount of polys. i dont need a lesson about responsabilities of creators, i'm myself really well aware of that, and i'm really careful when i create, specialy for my textures and everytime its possible (most of the time, btw) i lower my textures to 512 size and even less when its about to texture a tiny object. Who will see the transparency from the inside of my dress ? not only the ppl who want to look my panties (and who will fail since i wear an alpha layer) but me when i do photographs, or every other photographers. I'm also a graphic artist and i can tell you there is nothing more ugly when you do a pic that things like that. Of course, i could fix in pshop, but for the ppl wanting absolutely to do no post-processed pic this will be impossible. Also, according to the shape of the dress you see it just when you look at your avi normally. I have a dress, where the bottom is a bit upper in the center of both side (between my knees). so when i look at my avi from face, i see a missing part of the back from the space between my knees. I know, maybe im a bit too much perfectionist, but it ruin my look. About MD, as i said in my OP im really well aware about the pb of the polys ammount. But no everyone can learn fast and has time enough to learn blender full time. I have a full time job, i have a sl shop, i m artist and i have my own gallery, im also part of several events. So even if im single without kids in rl, i end giving my whole time when im not at work or sleeping for working for SL, whatever it is for art or for fashion. I try really hard to add to my schedule hours for learning, but mind you, the process is longer, since i cant learn blender full time for let's say, several weeks in a row. On top add to this that tutorials in french (my native language) are rare, so it slow even more the learning process. Does this mean that non native english speaker with full time job shouldnt do meshes ? Maybe... but i'm trying nevertheless. I said in my OP, i know that MD has big amount of polygons. I said, i lower it after i import my object in blender. I said i use MD only for now in order to practice and i havent said but i do now, i have already maya 3d on my comp. I havent tried it yet. Even if i learn fast and have a great ability to learn, my brain has some limits like for everyone else. Im not going to learn software after software without knowing a bit more about the firsts im still learning. Now if you know someone nice enough to teach me on a long run, im ok. Well for now im going to try the several possibilities ive been teached this morning and Medhue's ones aswell and will let you know if that fixed. Thank you again both for your help :smileyhappy:

Hello. first im not an expert at all with mesh clothings. I"ve started learning blender in december, and after long weeks of work, i decided to give a try to Marvelous Designer. I know its not the best way, but for now it allow me to practice a bit. I have Maya 3d on my comp and will start to use and learn as soon as possible. Till yesterday, i was using blender 2.69 and avastar 1.1.039. So far so good, i could rig, do fitted mesh without problems, and ALSO use the solidify modifier in order to make my mesh doble side. Because, i know some ppl will think its quibling, but i hate when a mesh is only one face, when you sit wearing a skirt and you see thru the dress from the inside, and im also an artist, so i do a lot of photography and depending the angle of my cam, this can ruin my photo. So yesterday i upgraded my Blender to the 2.70 and my avastar to the 1.1.045. i must say the new avastar is even more amazing than the first one. But i ended without being able to use the solidify modifier. If i use it before rigging, then after the rigging i can't save as dae bec it says there are vertices still not rigged. It tells me to use the "copy weight" avastar tool, but i havent found it. if i use the modifier after, It says its not possible. if i use it and dont apply it, the SL uploader doesn"t want my mesh at the first second. i've tried to edit/mesh/normals/flip normals and i ended with a dress looking transparent from the inside. I've tried to drastically lower the poly account with the decimate modifier (first ratio 0.4 and a second time with a ratio at 0.70) so i ended with less than half of the polys. Still it didnt worked. So is there still a way to do my mesh clothing doble face or do i have to forget this one time for all :smileysad: ? Thank you in advance for you help

Well i am a firestorm user from the very first times, as i ve been a phoenix users from the first hour after Jessica sent out the notecard about its creation. I am really HAPPY and satisfied with it. From day one till now. i dont feel i am behind (anyway its not a race, i dont mind to be behind or not, if others are fully happy with other viewers i'm glad for them) on the contrary. Ok we had to wait a bit for materials and fitted meshes. And what ? We all know that new improvements done by the lab are always a lame at first, so im not sad to have them after a few weeks when they are a bit better. but ok we got those 2 ones after LL viewer, and how many other features do we have with firestorm than LL viewer's users doesnt have ? Tons ! And not to mention the awesome support group 24/24 and 7/7. Does the LL viewer have same kind of group ? So really, ive read things here in that thread that made me laugh hard. Thank you a lot to firestorm team for the new release. I had already a great fps since i purchased my new comp, but this new release multiplied my fps by 2. Wooooot ! (and really, i do care fps more than fitted mesh bec i can avoid fitted mesh, but i need a good fps all the time when im in sl, especially when i run with ultra graphics for my photos). Everthing works perfect for me. i know its not same for everyone, but for me, it works awesome ! thank you ! kudos to the dev team and the support team.

you can do it easily with singularity viewer. i've tried recently with firestorm and it worked fine, but i only did one time, so i dont know it really well. but i can tell you it works fine with singularity viewer.

oh ! what a wonderful news ! Thank you. There is still a lot to do but already, here is a great decision done.:smileyhappy:

of course Jake. No worries at all. You can contact me anytime :smileyhappy:

Well while we are at it, about the MP, i would suggest a thesaurus for the keywords. First it will make the list limited, and secondly, it will be really easier to use for the customers if after they type their word, they are redirected to a list of existing occurency (close the the word they typed). I manage a public library, and we use keywords everyday for cataloging books or other documents, i cant imagine what big mess it would be without a thesaurus.... ah, no.. i can do more than imagine, i can remember since the library i manage wasnt using any thesaurus when i came there first. and it took me 10 years to fix and catch up with all the books. A catalogue without a thesaurus can't work fine. Provide us one and explain it will be a bit of work for each of us to catch up our listings, but the effort is worth.

Ebbe Linden wrote: Nobody knows what may happen in the future. But we have no intent to steal your stuff. I can imagine scary scenarios that are more likely to happen, that none us have control over, that would concern me more. I don't see how SL as we know it could be successful if we started to steal your stuff. I certainly don't see a business model based on stealing stuff that could last very long...so I don't really see the logic in this conversation. It sounds scary to some of you but how it could really become a real problem I don't really know. Well, Ebbe, maybe you dont see the logic in this conversation, but if you dont need to use our stuffs for "whatever purpose" then i dont see the logic for its writen in the TOS. Its like if you rent a house to someone and in the contract the landlord write he can come in your house whenever he wants and for whatever purpose. Then of course when you both will sign the contract, he will say to you that he will never come inside your house and it would be bad for his business if he does, and then he dont see why its a problem for you. Would you still sign ? Except if the landlord is a really close friend or someone from your family and you can give to him a deep trust, you wont sign such contract bec who knows what can happen in the future... Its asking a blank check. A contract should protect both parts, and not, like this one, protect one part and put the other part in danger. I totally share your sadness about the trust broken. But, your turn to trust me, believe me we have good reasons for that. Rodvick treated us with a huge lack of respect and this, indeed, will take time to heel and i know its a huge challenge for you. However, by looking at your history, i believe you have the skills that LL management was missing. Just by the fact you came here with humility and willing to talk to us, you won my total respect. For the trust, dont take it personnaly but it will require more time after the disaster caused by Rodvick. But yes, after your first week at LL i can say im optimist and hopeful again. I just really really hope you will keep that way and dont turn your back to us one day. I value a lot what you did in this thread. Of course, you won't be able to please everyone with the decisions you will have to take, but communication is the key. With communication we can get ride of a lot of misunderstanding and frustration. As you can see in this thread ppl had a really urge to talk and to be heard. A huge one. So that's a first step and a pretty well done one.

Madelaine McMasters wrote: Trinity Yazimoto wrote: Ebbe Linden wrote: But, the edge cases and the potential cost to us in certain scenarios are quite substantial. im still wondering what are those "edge cases" you are talking about .... and what are those "certain scenarios" . What are they and what is the probability for they happen for justifying such paragraph in the TOS (what doesnt say anything else but LL can use our intellectual property as they want) LL's IP policy reads almost exactly like Google's. It's not suprising that the law can't keep up with technology. Almost nothing can. I think the best we can hope for is that LL explains their intent. I think a lot of the heat generated by the change in TOS is the result of mistrust caused by lack of communication. I found life a lot easier when I told my clients that I didn't quite know what I was doing, but I was working with them than when I just kept my mouth shut and let them wonder. When it comes to managing IP in a digital world, nobody quite knows what they're doing. Well, Maddy, i don't create contents for google, i rarely post pics there except my vendors ad pics sometimes. When i want to display my artworks in google, i post a link to my Flikr wich has more friendly TOS regarding IP rights (although of course we can discuss that Flikr is not an heaven either but as you said, technologic progress came at a so fast speed that laws have some difficulties to catch up). But in any case i do create contents for google in the same way i do for SL. So its not possible to compare for me. I dont give the same ammount of my work and creativity to google than i do for SL. Before august, the LL TOS where limitating the licence we have to give to them to the needs of the service (what could be plenty of things too but still it was a limit). They could already use our contents, crop them, not give us credits, neither retribution etc... what i find a bit hard, but still i understand, since it was for the needs of the service. Nowadays, the licence LL ask to us, content creators, is extended to whatever purposes. If the "needs of the service" could be already a lot of things, the "whatever purposes" is a lot more and has no limits. Knowing that there are edge cases that could justify that isnt satisfying... Why all creators should pay for the edge cases ? Why is it not possible to add a chapter for the edge cases ? And this thing about "edge cases" is new... Before we have been explained it was because LL wanted to be our agent for Desura market place... but before thinking such thing.. it would have been good to ask us if we want to be on Desura marketplace, and in what condition, and if we agree for a licence for whatever purposes in exchange to be on Desura marketplace. i dont care Desura marketplace, i have zero intention to got there... so why should i pay for that ? why should i give an unlimited licence to LL since i will never ask them to be my agent there ? You pointed something really true, however... all the problem came from a lack of communication. Indeed. This is why i think its important to tell Ebbe. Because Ebbe is not Rodvick. And at least, Ebbe is open to discussion (till now... time will tell if this will go on). And while, Jo talk about beautiful sim... I will never forget that the beautiful piece of art that was Empyreal Dreams left SL because of the new TOS, precisely.. And i still miss this place a lot. So its not enough to discuss about how LL can support art and beautiful sims in SL, its important also to find a way artists dont leave SL because they are afraid they IP rights are stolen. And to finish, i know it was not LL's intention to steal our work, but with such paragraph in the TOS who knows what can happen in the future ?

Ebbe Linden wrote: But, the edge cases and the potential cost to us in certain scenarios are quite substantial. im still wondering what are those "edge cases" you are talking about .... and what are those "certain scenarios" . What are they and what is the probability for they happen for justifying such paragraph in the TOS (what doesnt say anything else but LL can use our intellectual property as they want)

That's all i wanted to know Ebbe. See ? That wasnt so hard finally. i know its not a simple topic. i know that now, probably noone made these section in the TOS for the purpose to steal us, but, you can understand we are really worried such paragraph exist in the TOS, and noone cant know if one day there will be someone at LL who want to use this paragraph for bad purpose. So, for its its innacceptable such paragraph remain like that. But we understand the difficulty to find a good way to fix that problem. All i wanted to know is if you will take this problem as serious and make all your possible to find a solution that will satisfy everyone. And since you seem to have great skills for communication and since this topic is really really important for creators (dont forget that SL is a plateform where most of the contents are done by its users), i think the good path should be to find a way to have a discussion with creators (whatever will be this way) and see together what can be done that will make everyone happy. I know you are flooded by tons of things to fix and do, but please dont neglect this one, because IMHO, its a really important one. It doesnt only concern creators, but also customers. ETA because its seems ppl got wrong my first sentences. Im not satisfied with the answer i got but when i say "it wasnt so hard finally" it means "it wasnt so hard to answer and stop doing like the question wasnt here". "All i wanted to know", its because the "I'm still getting up to speed on that topic. I've had several discussions about it" in Ebbe's answer. No, i had no doubt this has been discussed in the LL office, of course, but i wanted that to be said. Things are always better when they are said clearly.

well, that's ok Ebbe. your silence to my question (asked twice) is also an answer. Thank you.

Ebbe, while you are here, please, i d like you answer my question (page 9 at the top) about the current SL TOS section 2.3 and tell me if we can hope this will be changed soon.

Hello and welcome Ebbe. That's pretty nice to take time to answer and say hello here and its a good point for you. I really hope you will create a great communication path between LL and SL residents. Its really frustrating to have zero interlocutor when we need to talk about a problem we have with SL properties. Its like we shout in the wind and noone hear. So its important you work on that, and from what you said about the Jira, at least, we feel a bit heard now. Also, i think you may already be aware of that, but a lot of creators in SL have a problem with the last TOS (from august 2013) and the section 2.3 in particular where its stated that LL can use our creations for "whatever purpose". While we understand LL need certain rights over our creations for the need of the service, we do think that the "whatever purpose" is a excessive here. I would like to know what are your thoughts about this and what are your plans about this problem ? Can we reasonably hope there will be soon a revision of those TOS about that ? EDIT : vocabulary

hello Artsapart im a lot busy, but i think i can find a bit of time to help you and teach you some basic knowledges and give you some advices for if you want to set up your own gallery (if you can deal with my non perfect english language since its not my native one) i dont promise you to be there everytime and give you all my time in sl but if i can bring some answers to your questions and show you some lil tricks about SL ill be delighted to do. Contact me inworld, send an IM (if im not online, it will go to my mailbox, ill answer asap). My timezone is french one (GMT +1) and i have more time for SL on sundays and mondays but i also log in sl everyday (mostly) at least for 2 hours in my evenings. If you happen to not be able to find me inworld, or dont know how to leave an IM, let me know here and i will contact you as soon as i ll be able to do. As others have said above, SL needs first a period for learning how to use it before doing anything else. You can't avoid that, at least the minimum for being able to set up your own gallery. :smileyhappy: So let me know .

Perrie Juran wrote: ETA, I disagree strongly with your assessment that he brought "a lot of improvements to SL." THIS ! and im not sad to see him leave. I have nothing personal aggainst him and i wish him the best in his new projects but as CEO for LL he hasnt been what i could call a great CEO. Not only he has poor skills for communication with the users but he took a lot of bad or silly decisions and the last one has been the cherry on the pie, the new and current TOS. During the time he has been CEO he did only one thing, taking the money from SL for injecting money to his other projects with LL. And really i dont think that is fair. So really, here, im pleased to see him take finally a good decision, leave. I hope we ll get a competent CEO now.

lol Rex, you should have asked the owner in IM, then you would have had the delight to be told the group is not a democracy. :smileywink:. This is what has been told to several other persons like you, whose sole fault has been to ask a question. Maybe asking question is something against their rules, idk. Anyway, the group is now closed enrolement, so you have to beg the owner if you want to join and the TOS is no longer one of their fights, since they are not anymore mentioned in the group profile. So maybe it doesnt even worth to be mentioned in a topic against the TOS. And imho, its not a farce but a trickery that used the hopes of all the members and even a lot of energy and time of some members, to serve the ego of one person. Like its a trickery to not have told members, that a lot of guild organizers or team leaders have resigned (since they cant send notice, they couldnt tell themselves), that anyway guilds do no longer exist since the hippogroup subscription hasnt been renewed and still keeping talking to ppl about guilds like nothing happened...But well, things like that happens all the time and everywhere. We have to learn from every lesson.

hello you can find many hunts currently running here : http://slhunts.wordpress.com/category/january/ or here : http://huntsl.com/ (right column on the page) Each hunt may have their own rules. You'll get the rules in a notecard on their sign if you go at the start location said in their blog. usually, you have to go from a location to another one, (the next LM will be given with each prize found, but you can also find the location list the hunt blog) and you are given also a clue. then you have to search in the place for an object (usually the same) and click on it. Some hunts ask a few l$ for each prize (less than 10 l$) have fun :smileyhappy:

i guess this is the record you have in your dashboard transaction history. Check your account in Marketplace. (marketplace home page top of the page : "my marketplace " and "my account" in there go to your "order history" (from the list at the left side of the page). you ll find there a more detailed transaction record

Did you tried "right clik < (pie menu) more < more < text refresh " ? It will refresh the texture.

Well I’m going to add my 2 cents to the convo here and try to contribute to the reflection started here. To start, I must mention that I resigned from my roles in the UCCSL on December the 23th, after an “amazing” discussion with the group owner and it became clear in my mind that I don’t want to betray what I am, and support an organization that has become nothing but an authoritarian one. I’m not going into details here, I’ve explained everything in a Notecard to the group that I sent before taking myself out of all my roles, and the Notecard has been published in Danko Whitfield’s blog. I definitively left the group, some days ago, after its owner sent me back the hippogroups terminals (without a single word, not even for asking the lists of members), so I thought that i could now recover my freedom and leave. ““What is your position on the current revision of the TOS ?” My position hasn’t changed. I really don’t like the idea that a company took the right to use my work, mod it, sell it, resell it etc, without even giving me credits and attribution for that and above all FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE. Even if it’s possible they have no intention to steal smth right now, the simple fact they can is a problem for me, and no one can know what will be tomorrow and who will decide at LL. Peter Gray said they were working on a new version of the TOS. Imho, that was said just to keep ppl quiet. And even if they change it, I don’t have a lot of hopes on the fact it will be really better. They say they want to act as our agent in Desura… But I don’t want to sell anything in Desura, I don’t want them as agent.. and if I want to sell in Desura, I can open an account there and do the job myself. I don’t need them and I think I’m entitled to choose who work for me, or with me. This doesn’t give them the right to claim the license they are currently claiming on my works. “What changes would you make to the TOS ?”Well this is a vast question, because honestly I would already made changes on the TOS before august lol. But well, for now, the more important for me is that they take out this damn “for whatever purpose” for the license. I don’t want them doing anything they want with my works for “whatever purpose”. It’s ok for me for the needs of the service but not for whatever purpose. I could add a lot of other demands, but if they fix the “whatever purpose” I’ll be happy. “What other domains would you like to make proposals and what proposals ?”Well as I said, if I was asked the list would be long. But well, for example, if we upload smth and we don’t share it with anyone, as soon as we delete it from our inventory, I’d like it to disappear from LL servers as well.. This practice exist already on other websites and it could be done easily here too. Also, if they come to use our works for their own purpose, it would be fair to credit the creators and even ask permission too. I’m thinking here when they use some works for promotional use. “What is your position regarding the future of UCCSL ?” Well, on this one I could write a book probably, but I’m not sure it would be really interesting to read. My opinion is that the group was born from the collective wish to fight against the new TOS and make LL change them. Today this goal is only one among others that seem to be more important to the leadership. When I see its forbidden to talk about the TOS in the group chat and that another group was created for this single purpose, I’m a bit dumbstruck. And even more when I see on the other group profile this : “The ToS cuts deeply and it is terribly personal and emotional. I understand that some simply must hash and re-hash it. This is the forum for that. Reserve the UCCSL chat for positive and creative interactions. THE CONVERSATIONS IN THIS FORM ARE NOT NECESSARILY COMPLIANT WITH THE ROLE OF THE UCCSL OR A REFLECTION OF ITS PURPOSE OR OPINIONS” So it seems clear that discussing about the TOS is just hashing and re-hashing. That it can’t be positive interactions… and that it won’t reflect the group opinion. I’m even more puzzled when I see a notice saying that “Use of UCCSL chat for discussion of ToS or the shortcomings of LL is not permitted and will result in immediate loss of chat privileges in that group, without warning or discussion.” When I read that, I have zero regret to have left.. I’m just wondering how I could stay blind so long. And I think, ppl will leave one after one, after they’ll have to deal with the eternal “if you don’t like it you can leave” answer. I don’t need any seal or a group for babbling between creators, I have already other groups for this purpose. I don’t need a new one. If ppl accept such operating, that’s fine for them. To each their own. On my side, I’m not going to accept that someone else decides for me. We are already too much confronted to that in RL, my SL is not for that. Sorry, it was longer than I wanted. :smileyhappy:

before doing a reinstall, i would suggest you work thru this : http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_missing_inventory

thank you for sharing Medhue !! really great ! :smileyhappy: