Jaylinbridges

Thanks for the info. I was wondering if they had increased the limit for Premium Plus members. If you read this thread from the beginning, you should see that I only answered the OP's question, "what am I looking at." With 12 years in the breedables business I felt I could do that. Others just told her to AR the owner. Not friendly or a useful answer. I had 3 homes in Belli and had my first Houseboat within 5 hrs of the first opening. I recommended Belli to many friends. They all left because of the restrictive Convenant. My friends tend to be more independent and question rules from governments, unlike some countries That is a tradition in the United States. That tradition and independence carries over to SL, just a fact.

Log in world, or make 100 posts/day in this forum... Hide the post or let it pass. Close the thread, or give a warning. Give 2 warnings, or 3 warnings. Ban or suspend. Something for the forumites.

I think you are right. Inside the unborn box is a Zygote. It lives forever in the box, but doesn't cause any harm or disturbance outside the box. A zygote is a eukaryotic cell formed by a fertilization event between two gametes. The zygote's genome is a combination of the DNA in each gamete, and contains all of the genetic information of a new individual organism. In multicellular organisms, the zygote is the earliest developmental stage. I say let the Zygotes live in peace, and not be banned from Bellisseria! And any object can also display a hovertext, even a basic prim. If you would like to display this banned prim at your LH home, just let me know. No charge

I hope we are done now. There were only 2 others in this thread that had any experience breeding kittycats, and they were being ignored despite being correct. Those that try to attack me were off-base by several continents. I already said what I think of Abnor's comment that any kittycats, whether breedables or pets over the limit of two are in violation. That should of course apply to ALL pets in Belli. Got a horse and a dog on your ranch. No chicken, barn cat, owl, or squirrel for you!

There was never any sign of the cats in the OP's invasive photo of a neighbors bedroom, were for sale. They were recently purchased cat boxes from the new collection, about 14,000 $L worth, at 990 $L/box, and some partnered breeding pairs in the back. She also had a KittycatS Dock in the room, which suggests she uses the online cattery to breed and store her cats. The dock is used to bring cats from the online cattery inworld. The new cats have to be rezzed somewhere inworld one time. Lots of bad assumptions from the OP and others here, knowing nothing about her intentions or plans. You can't really sell anything in Belli. You cannot advertise a Belli store outside of Belli, or inside Belli.. She had no Torgan profilers that could show the LM of the cat on the web market. There was no sign on her home that she was selling kittycats. That was never the issue. Just because you brought it up doesn't mean it was worth my commenting, since selling in Belli is a non-issue. The only issue was she had about 10 paired breeders, obvious from the %Love on the tags, when only one pair was allowed. And that triggered a busybody to AR her, and be proud of herself.

Well this is worth a laugh at least. I don't have a Linden Home, I gave up 3 of them up a year ago. And I never bred or stored any kittycats in Bellisseria ever! My "stash" of kittycats is on a private island region, where the owners have reasonable rules based on facts. I cause no region lag there, just follow the usual rules for well run estates. And how do you know Patch is not a breeder of more Patches? That's one of the strangest comments I've heard this week. Also kittycat boxes do not violate any TOS rules in Belli. You might like to read back and find out who was complaining about ALL cutouts, because they reminded her of "road kill."

Boxes that are unborn and not breeding also have hovertext. That is where you must be getting confused. Many turn on the hovertext to show the traits on a box, because you cannot see all the traits from the picture only. So, boxes with hovertext are just boxes. Apparently a box (unborn) kittycat with the hovertext turned on is against the convenant. Perhaps all hovertext should be banned in Belli. We need to keep the community clean and tidy. A kittycat that is born can be shown in a 2D state, and also has hovertext, which can be turned on or off. Some are complaining about boxes with hovertext, which are not breedables yet. The boxes are legal, but the hovertext is not, even though hovertext visible range is limited and can be adjusted in your viewer. There are breedable farms where the hovertext on live animals is turned off. Many breeders just give their cat a name, one line on a tag, such as Mabel. If you have a box or breedable with Mabel above them, that is violating the Belli covenant. Does that really seem reasonable? Here are 3 boxes (unborn kittycats) on my work platform, from the recent new collection. I turned on all the tags on the Dragon Water, and only the name tag on the other two. None are breeders. I will probably keep them as collectables as they increase in value, and sell them in a few years at an auction. In any case, a tag does not mean it is a live breedable.

SIgh... If you have enough prims on your land, keeping boxes rezzed that you are not intending to sell is a personal choice. I have 4000 LI on my parcel, so why am I worried about having 50 boxes (50 prims) rezzed on my work platform? They are not for sale. I sell boxes at market sims and my own shops. Sometimes we just like to see our best stock without looking at a database. I often arrange boxes according to traits, and have them rezzed, because they might be part of my next project. Cats that I have an over supply of and cannot be sold easily go to the Kittycats online cattery. I have 2000 boxes in inventory - and room for about 300 boxes to sell at my shops. I do not sell from my breeding home. Why do you have trees on your land? They use prims, are not for sale, and would save you prims if they were back in your inventory. You simply know nothing about the larger scale kittycat breeders. Many own full sims, and prefer to breed inworld, and keep some inventory inworld, A personal choice, and not something to be ridiculed. It's their choice to own land to store boxes. We are not talking about Belli mini parcels here. I do not support rezzed breeding farms in Belli, A Breeding Farm is not 3 kittycats however. That is the issue. Pet owners stay out of Belli because a limit of only 2 breedable/pets is unreasonable to them. The maximun of two live breedables in the Covenant is simply a bad decision, ill conceived, and should be changed to at least 4 pets, or breedables. I never said anyone should violate the Belli Covenant. Some posters here are parsing, and drawing the wrong conclusions, to put it nicely. What I said was - IF neighbors complain because they can't stand 2D kittycat boxes inside your own home, or are bothered by the tags than can be turned off, avoid their harassment by moving your boxes to a sky platform, out of their sight. I also said, if you are going to large scale breed, don't waste your time trying it in Belli.

I assume someone has hijacked the OP's account, and is making a troll post here. Since he never explained how he was being "greefed", I have to assume he is just using this an excuse to raise quick cash for LL. Now who would be interested in doing that? Hmmm?

Breeders keep their cats in the 2D box 1 prim form because they save on prims. Not every breeder can afford a 5000+ LI parcel, just to keep the cats as 13-17 prim 3D objects. I keep my kittycat PETS as 3D, and breeding stock as 2D. The pets are around my home and yard, and interact with us and other cats. The breeders are on a work platform. There is no reason why breeding cats need to be 3D and primy. My partner and I already have about 20 pets, all 3D and interactive. Why would I also want another 100 breeder cats to be 3D on a platform I only use as a workspace? You need some detachment if you are a breeder, vs a pet owner. Obviously if you have live cats in Belli, you are already short on prims, and would leave most of your cats as 1 prim objects. And as I keep saying, put the boxes and breeders on a high platform, out of sight of snoopy Belli neighbors. Leave your pets where you can enjoy them at ground level. They should raise the pet limit to 4 at land levels. And it is nobody's business whether someone chooses to save prims by using a lower prim mode for a breedable, just keep them out of sight for the neighbors. There are quite a few 1 prim life size photos of a 2D Patch Linden around Belli too. I found them collecting candy from the pumpkins. Should I AR the owners, for not having Patch in 3D and moving? I found a full size 2D color cutout of Patch staring at me from behind a pumpkin to be a lot creepier than a kittycat box.

Absolutely untrue, You are making assumptions here. She was complaining about seeing the hover text above the boxes. The default is no hover text. She could have just asked the neighbor to turn off the hovertext, instead of sending an AR to Governance. When you buy a kittycat box, you must rez them in world at least once, to inform the kittycat server that you are the new owner. Just the box, not unpack and birth the kitten. After that you can do whatever you want with them. Storing your own boxes in world is not against the Belli TOS. Each box uses 1 prim. Seems that is a personal choice, where you store your boxes, and not every busybody neighbors business.

If the boxes were not priced, so you could not buy them in Belli, then they are not for sale. Boxes, full or empty, are just objects, and are allowed in Belli. The covenant says the tags on those boxes should be turned off, if visible at the land level from off your parcel. If you store boxes in a skybox, nobody can see the tags. Same with every other object displayed in Belli that is not for sale. Many sellers do display their products in Belli, anywhere on their parcel, but they are not for sale. Art galleries, furniture, building parts for Belli homes, all visible either outside or inside their Linden Home. All perfectly legal. If you are interested in purchasing something on display, you look at the owner's profile, and the designers profile, and find their MP or in world store, outside of Belli, or send them an IM. New kittycat owners are often so excited about their new unpacked (unborn) kitty boxes, that they put them on their walls, in place of other pictures. Some put them outside, because they are excited and proud of them. They usually get over this when they get up to 50 boxes, and then send them to the cattery or inventory. It sounds like you have never been into breedables, or you would understand what I am saying. The official Kittycats open help group now has 23,648 group members. There are probably twice that many that own kittycats but do not care to be in the official group, because they never breed them, and might only have one of the free permapet cats that are sometimes available at the main store.

Why are you confused Rowan? Have you ever owned a kittycat?

Someone buys a new mesh body, and the body is delivered in a packing box which you rezz to unpack. How creepy, putting a human body in a tiny box, and even showing a model picture on the box. Totally creeps me out that sellers put their avatar creations in a box to sell, and put a photo of the avatar on the outside. That is what you are basically saying. Kittycats in boxes are just a way to sell unborn cats, or to store new cats that are not born. Horses use a pile of hay for unborn horses,, etc. . These are nothing but packing boxes with scripts inside that can be activated by a click. The same as any scripted object, such as a chair with scripts. The cat is not alive until it is unpacked using the Unpack button on the box. At that time, the box vanishes (can take 5-10 mins for dramatic reasons) and a tiny kitten appears, and now you need to also feed it kibble, which you pay extra for. That is the start of the life of a kittycat. In 7 days, the tiny kittycat grows to a full size cat, and in another 7 to 10 days, the cat can first breed with another mature cat IF the owner decides they want a new kitten, with traits that can come from both parents, obeying standard genetic rules. You can also turn breeding off after 14 days, and only have a pet forever. Kittycats are both pets that interact and play, and breedables if you choose. The boxes are just boxes with a picture on them. The actual box is a small square cardboard box with no picture or text at all. If you want to see a preview of what the new kitten will look like, you can click on the featureless cardboard box using the Image button, and see a 2D Image of the fur and face, that the creator took in their studio. This is how unborn cats are sold. There are 100's of thousands of these boxes for sale all over the grid. You can also buy a generic cat directly from the kittycat main store. They arrive as a pair of unknown traited cats in a large round bag. They are not alive in the bag, it is just another way to pack scripts and objects for delivery. Hovertext is easily turned off by the menu activated by clicking on the box.

Clearing my cache gives me more room on my 20 MB hard drive to download dirty jokes... (<-- is joke) If the cache is corrupted though, and that was a recent issue with the rapid logoff change LL made, then clearing the cache fixed that problem, until FS added a fix to .gz index file corruption from rapid logoffs & logons. A Windows issue too that LL never considered.

But if there is NO problem, and you are in no way affected, why is it your business to send AR's to Governance? Is this some kind of sadistic hobby for some people? They created rules based on worst cases, and mainly because the number of homes/region is so high, that if Everyone rented a home in the region, and they ALL wanted to have breedables, then depending on the breedable, the region would lag. Of course nothing like that would ever happen. And if it did, 1 chance in 10,000, they could simply take action. I do not support breedable farms in SL, btw, because some breeders have no idea what they are doing, and could create a mess of physical moving animals all bumping into each other. But for pet owners, and those who simply buy a pair of breedables, and want an offspring, the TOS prevents this. If SL was the RL government, would they put a limit of 1 child/household, because you know, kids playing can be noisy and bother the neighbors?

LL Residents will never stop believing old wives tails about SL technology. Oh sorry I guess this is off topic.

No, they are physical and temp objects. The leaves only rez and fall once a second, and derez in 1 min. Each leaf is 1 prim. That's not many snowflakes, so the rez rate would need to be much larger. Assuming the ground already has a snow cover texture, the derezz time could be shorter. More practical would be to sub divide the building into its own parcel, and set it to no object entry for non group members. Then use a non-group alt for the snow generator owner. The particles should stop at the parcel boundary around the house. Of course the roof would never get snow landing on it. Probably a simpler problem than accurate mirrors though.

I have falling leaves from trees that already bounce off of any non-phantom object, and cannot pass through any solid non phantom object. The leaves need to be physical of course. So this is nothing new.

Straight Males should not be posting in this thread. They indeed don't do much of anything with each other. So the answer to Love's question is, nothing. All the stereotype guesses by the women and LGBTQ community are only insults. I suppose I will be put on ignore for saying this.

Well not exactly. I have always had a large private island parcel, since I joined SL, and have always kept my breeding activity to that large parcel. I usually rent parcels with 5000 LI's, so have always had land and multiple sky platforms to carry on my businesses and my home life with my partner. But I would like the option to have more than 2 pets in Belli. Just because they were once also breedables, that aged into pets that became permapets (do not need to eat or get sick) I like to have them around, and since they interact, 2 pets is not enough. Sometime I would also like the option of having an Alt breed a few kittycats, but on their own land. With the present rigid rules I can do none of the above in Belli. Same with having a very low traffic shop in the sky. Not allowed, even though it would zero impact on other Belli residents. So I got tired of rigid rules to "please the majority" in general in Belli. Private islands with reasonable owner/landlords is the only way for me to go. I got a houseboat the first day Belli was opened, and a Stilt Home when they first came out, and have owned trailers, Fantasy Homes and the box homes too. The attraction was water and air access, not the houses and rigid HOA rules. But, I can do the same water and air travel with no LH, and since they added all the restrictions to please the "retired leisure generation"" there was nothing left there for me. My partner loves the kittycats, and has about 15 of them roaming around our private island skybox. They are entertaining enough for her that she would be bored and sad without them. If we moved to Belli she would be allowed two, and I would have none. Even on a ranch parcel, only two animals is ultra stupid. Belli is fine for animal haters though. I also recommended a Belli home to several friends, and they happened to have a few Kittycats as pets. They were NOT breeders. Once they moved to Belli, they found out the limit of 2 "breedables" per parcel, including their pets. They all left when their lease was up, usually 3 months. I no longer suggest anyone live in Belli if they are animal lovers.

You ignore the high skyboxes, over 2000 m, which are not low hanging (illegal in Belli), and a rule that would limit any breedable operation to high out of sight skyboxes, using "farming" methods that do not add script lag. Most rental companies even spell out the conditions in their covenant. LL could just copy their rules. Simple solutions seem to evade some...

Most breeders use a sky platform or sky building for all of their breedables. I have mine at 3000 meters, with scenic walls. No one sees it unless they fly up 3000 m and hit my security orb, where they have 15 secs to leave before they are sent home. At my land level, I have a beach and small beachouse, with no sign I have any pets or breedables at all. JIAN pets cause more lag - are JIAN pets banned in Belli? Teegle animesh horses consume more script time, and use too many prims. There is no good reason why a Premium Home owner could not have 5 pairs of breedables in the sky, above 3000 m. Breedables, since they are stationary, like a chair, cause less lag than roaming pets. The photo from the OP shows how a proper breedable "farm" should look. One Prim stationary boxes, and in this case partnered pairs, and no lag or effect on anyone. Why are peeps snooping inside Belli home bedrooms with their camera? Isn't that an issue too? I believe in evidence-based rules - not worst case lazy rules based on nothing but simplifying Lindens' workload. Many private island rental companies have reasonable rules for breedables, and are based on actual evidence if they are causing lag. That's why don't I don't live in Belli anymore, where I had three homes at one time when Belli first opened. My Premium land tier is for my mainland shop, also in the sky. I don't use it to breed, just have inventory for sale with Torgan profiliers to list them on the internet. That would be illegal in Belli too. My sky shop on mainland gets about 10 visitors per week! No avatar load on the region at all. Customers visit my shop because they already found the cat and price they want, TP directly to the kittycat, buy the box, and leave. Shop browse time is less than 5 mins/visitor. I keep a log of all visitors. Abnor's assumption that breeders make a profit is also funny. Most do it for the challenge of breeding, or as a collectibles hobby, because that is what it turns in to when you gamble with statistics rigged against you.

Those kittycats, since they are all fixed, cause no physics lag, and very little script lag. One avatar with a mesh body causes more lag than 50 kittycats as fixed breedables. But the covenant rules don't care to distinguish between actual laggy breedables, and those that cause no detectable lag. Belli is anti breedables, and best to not live there if you have any breedables, no matter how little they affect a region. And all the pets roaming around, animesh and otherwise, actually do cause lag, but are still allowed in Belli. I have a kittycat "breedable farm" with 50 active kittycat breedables on a parcel, and have no lag at all, based on both observation and the Statistics numbers. And I been doing this for the last 10 years! I can't speak for other poorly designed breedables or moving pets, but those kittycats in the OP picture are causing no detectable lag! Kittycats can also be bred offline from a web site. Most breeders that do not have the prims or land do that. But still only 2 kittycats/owner is no fun even as pets. Just move to a private or mainland area so you won't be hassled.

If a resident wants to stream their own material into second life, they should be technically aware that using the SL Viewer for streaming to others is not technically trivial, and would be difficult to add to the viewer. The more private services can be removed from dependence on LL and run offline, the better, IMO. The SL viewer has enough trouble with their voice application, which is still a plugin by a 3rd party. It won't happen because no one would use it after they crashed a few times.