Aethelwine

Nothing is wrong with it but you are missing the point. Anyone travelling the route would see open waterways with a bit of jetty, nothing to indicate there would be a banline there. 99 times out of a 100 you could drift into a parcel with no problems. That reality of experience creates an expectation. Anyone that has lived in areas like that will say the way they have set their security is a trap.

I suspect since they are putting up docking they are intending to use it to rezz their own boats to travel and that a polite message likely to get them to change their settings. It is both, it is not an either\or situation.

There is Molemart in Leafminer http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Leafminer/202/146/35 The Boat Station in Bay City: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Inner Harbor/11/32/26 The Slop Chest at the Boat house in Half Hitch http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Blake Sea - Half Hitch/121/136/22 Nautilus Market has some houses and other bits and pieces: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Blake Sea - Half Hitch/121/136/22 Gift shop and free bike at Rizal http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Rizal/127/128/23 There are various games around you can win tridents, but the ones above are the main ones I know of

I agree with everything you said but in response to what you put forwards on your link about a protected route between Zindra and mainland, I really think the chances of that are about as close to zero as it is possible to be. There is no way they will put in the hundreds of open space regions required. I suppose they could move Zindra closer or they could create a sort of wormhole where two region borders geographically apart act like they are next to each other, but I think such fancies are just dreaming aloud rather than anything remotely likely to happen. Zindra looks very much like the continent was abandoned part way through being created, and the road layout they went for along region boundaries flawed from the outset. There are some interesting places like the dams in Gilda and Pengallon Bridge, down in Lierminster the bridge and large roundabout, Zama City... but then it seems like they just gave up and left it all half done and broken.

Someone mentioned Tupelo Some ASF :

They may well find less of it on Zindra. People seem to like breaking rules... or perhaps more to the point people just don't know about Zindra or where to rezz there. There are LCC marked locations in Foley and Destonia. Osborne Walk also has a Rezz Zone marked.

Happy to report that it was buried in one of the road supports. Abnor Mole has made it visible again for us to enjoy.

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When group selecting objects to move you might find that you don't get the option to move the cluster because you have in advertantly selected some of your neighbours prims or some landscaping. A tip to make it easier is to temporarily use the option to only select your own objects. The option is there in firestorm at least I presume in other viewers too.

I suppose one of my neighbours that has security up and are hoping to sell their land for 150,000 L$ might also qualify, as selfish... But misguided probably better description, they just earn a wall around their parcel to obscure my view of the banline. They aren't going to get paid well over market value for what is now a blocked parcel.

The only time I recall encountering that was exploring a water way in one of the color regions. Paying a toll to pass through their land not something I would characterise in that example as being selfish, misguided because I doubt many would consider it good value. I suppose if I relied on it to get to a protected waterway I might think it a bit selfish. I don't know if it is still there, it has been a while since I have gone exploring off the routes I know around there.

Pretty sure there are camping chairs for Linden dollars still at Da Boom. I think you join a group sit on them and get a Linden dollar an hour or something. There always seem to be people using them so I presume they are still functioning

This is some thing I learnt from experience. The first little parcel I bought advertised as protected access to the Blake Sea, just 150m2 parcel but enough for my loonetta, a few prims to replicate a Dock with a hut on it a chair and my coffee machine. A little dream come true, until I tried to actually navigate my way out the inlet to the open water. I think likely the parcel was not missold to me and there was a protected route, but without knowing the show parcel boundaries trick navigating the banlines and orbs a painful lesson in failure even after managing to make it out a few times, the when's to take a sharp right and when to go left, unclear from any visual clue. I ended up abandoning it, it seemed at the time it had been missold and I would rather lose the premium I paid than sell it on as a protected access parcel. I went on to a rental instead with a covenant preventing oppressive security. Whilst not technically mainland the sailors cove, Seychelles, second Norway, fairchang estates deliver what people want without the hassles.

Indeed, although I think not in the way you imagine it. No one is immune from criticism, whether traveller or landowner or both. What I see objectionable in threads like this is the claimed entitlement to an immunity from criticism for landowners. Criticism should always be measured, considerate of both sides if it is to be constructive. But even when it is not and it is merely an expression of frustration it is still permitted speech.

Not really sure what your example has to do with the circumstances of this thread. Coffee Pancake. There is no need for analogies. The situation relates to North Nautilus and the route created by about 12 different land Lords cooperating together. A renter blocked the passage for a few days at least one neighbour spoke to them and they made their change to allow passage again. Reopening a route with marinas along it enjoyed by those along the route for about 5 years. I know at least one land owner spoke to them because I did. We had a friendly discussion including an apology I had not asked for. Do I have a sense of entitlement. Perhaps to some extent, I have spent about a thousand dollars personally buying land to keep it open. But that sense of entitlement does include the understanding they can do what they want with the land. The balance that makes that investment worthwhile is the understanding the collective land value depends upon that cooperation and for the last five years has kept it open. Should I feel shamed for that measured sense of entitlement? No I don't think so it is this dynamic that enriches mainland for all. The ability to look beyond our own selfish interests enriches the community and ourselves along with it.

I don't see that in this thread despite yours and Belinda's attempt to dismiss it as such.

But neither can they complain if they find the access they depend upon being blocked reciprocally by their neighbours. People don't own land in isolation on mainland, actions have consequences.

I don't see any of that and in fact the person that had blocked the route apologised when it was pointed out. No one needed to be cajoled or bullied. The only way to use the water there is through cooperation. That is how it is set up and why that dynamic exists.

Hardly useful advice in the context of this thread which is about landowners opening their land up to travel. There is no protected route across the top of nautilus the route that is there for last few years and continues to be there is down to the collaboration of around 12 landowners. The dismissive advice to just stick to protected waterways comes across fairly insulting and patronising to those involved.

There is a list here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Department_of_Public_Works#Lindens_in_the_LDPW and yes there is an Avogadro Mole listed

I hope Abnor is not working the moles too hard, Hazel Mole seems to have turned to drink to cope.

I don't think anyone has suggested paving over the Wagon road, there is however a Linden owned route that would connect it to route 8A, that has been clear and protected since 2013. Perhaps putting tarmac along that route would make the transition on to the wagon road a bit incongruous, but I do think some sort of indication it is there like a sign, or some dirt road markings, or even just transfering ownership from Governor Linden and maintenance to LDPWs would be worthwhile.

Unless I am missing it the Memorial to Cooter Linden got removed along with the road repairs, the only indication remaining of what was once there a "bridge out" sign under the water, and a few bits of wreckage.

I wouldn't have thought anything of it without this thread pointing it out. My initial reaction would be that would be nice outfit for a camping trip. fun loving John Goodman type father figure maybe. I imagine there will be people buying the outfit in ignorance and wondering why they are getting a mixture of hostile reactions and people talking to them about bizarre conspiracy theories. 'Had I bought it in ignorance and then found out the meaning I would feel pretty badly cheated that the shop hadn't made it clear I was going to be making a statement wearing it.