Latisha Pexie Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 But what would be the point of the pictures? They weren't exactly landing in exciting areas. When they were on my land they would end up in the ocean as often as on land. The most likely that I've seen is Janelle's suggestion but then you end up asking yourself a couple questions. First, when someone enters the requested coordinates into that website would a bot then be dispatched to that location, do it's thing, and then send the images back to the website? Or does it have "stock" images for each sim that it just retrieves when a user enters coordinates? If it's the first, that's creepy. Really creepy. And really unrealistic. I'm pretty sure I got a visit from at least one of these bots a day at varying times of the day. The second option doesn't make much sense either. If the idea is to get a view in world... Which is what my understanding was of the site, then wouldn't stock images defeat the purpose? Only thing that would make sense is if the site were to claim the images were of that sim from the last 24 hours... Which, I suppose, would account for the high number of bots I saw... But it would require a lot of bots for every sim to be able to "see" the whole sim to give a reasonable screenshot for any such requested coordinates. I would think that if that were the case I would have seen even more bots than I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene Erlanger Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 FBI Bots contracted by the US Govt in lieu of SOPA passing through at some stage.! :matte-motes-agape: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Janelle's post is about auto-pics - in the way I meant by "auto-pics", anyway. I.e. the automated - taking of pictures. As well as Janelle's 360 degree possibility, a possible reason that occured to me earlier is having the bots go round the grid, taking multiple pics in the rotation where they land and then a human looking at them to pick out any decent ones for some purpose or other. I can't come up with any reason for the bots to rotate, other than taking pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 FBI Bots? Flippin' Brainless Idiot Bots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latisha Pexie Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 When I went to that site, from what I can see you have to manually enter in the sim and coordinates you want for the in-world "view". That's why I said it didn't make much sense as far as the frequency of the bots occurrences. At least what I saw from the site it wasn't just randomly choosing a sim from the grid. The 360 view part makes sense but the rest of it I'm not so sure about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilbert Dilweg Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Rotation would be to bring/draw everything in view. One search site has every object listed on it from my mall with the image. not sure that site is still in operation but it was a nice detailed search site... If they are taking boat loads of snapshots you can see that using pheonix tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latisha Pexie Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Dilbert Dilweg wrote: If they are taking boat loads of snapshots you can see that using pheonix tools Not necessarily. First of all you can silence your snapshots. I have mine silenced. I think it's kind of annoying to see in local chat every time I take a pic. Second, I highly doubt they would be saving to inventory if they were taking photos. They would be saving to the computer, which has never shown up with phoenix tools, even if they don't have silent snapshots enabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 They won't be using a viewer at all. They'll be using a bot programme. Written using OpenMetaverse (libSL). I'm sure that all bots use that - mine do. I don't think it's even possible to run a bot that uses a viewer. I wonder what would happen to such a bot if I freeze it just as it finishes its rotation and it's about to TP away - assuming it does TP away and not log out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Silverfall Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 What I don't undertand is why there is not ONE specific way to Ban just unwanted BOTS or Groups. I recently purchased some land and I have these BOTs coming around and Flying/Hovering (even though Land set to No Fly...No Obect Entry...No Scripts)....I have a Landing Point set and they can override where they land at. I have a Club and don't want to restrict access to Group only.....and I don't want to Add to Ban List untill my fingers bleed, because there are so many that keep coming. So.....what options do I have, SHORT of moving? I have submitted a support ticket today to see what results I get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 It sounds like they are doing you some good (traffic), if you have your club in search, and if they aren't registered as scripted agents. Traffic still helps with search rankings. I wouldn't object to them coming to my place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrdtop75 Deluxe Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I seen my first rotating bot today at Bhaga station, the AV was an old man named Burno. I looked into his profile and found that alot of people have have posted in the feed section about the bot spamming group chat. So I guess these bots are just like the MovieStar spammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloria Marchant Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 They started coming to my lands when I got breedables. Do you have some? If so, could be related to that. The "panoramic view" and such is nonsense to me, since they keep coming over and over agan, even the same avatar. Nothing new to see unless you wanna post the same video every day. Some of them have a detailed description in their profiles, I was wondering if those profiles were stolen or just bots made from scratch trying to look as realistic as possible. They don't enter my land since I have access blocked, outside scripts disabled, no flying and text and avatars are hidden from another parcel. It's kind of annoying anyway, ban is totally useless since they use to rotate while being in the closest (empty and access open) parcel and most of all because they keep coming with different names. Plus they stay just a few seconds, leaving immediately, probably because they can't come into my land and wonder around. Do we have to file abuse report constantly to let Lindens investigate? And what do we have to report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrdtop75 Deluxe Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Since my last post I have come across the same bot 3 times in three different area's. Twice on Heterocera Atoll (once on the eastern part of Heterocera and once on the north-western part of Heterocera). I just found the bot again in my radar and I was on a private sim away from the mainlands. This time the Bot didn't spin a full 720° rotating at 45° increments before it left, I managed to run to the bot and stand infront of it before it made 180° Then the bot took off some where else before it made it to 225° of it's rotation. After looking the picture I noticed this time it has a yellow coloured box in its right hand. The bot didn't have this the last three times that I have seen it. I find it bizzar that it lands within 30 meters from me everytime I see it on radar. Could they be Stalker Bots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Destiny Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I'm confused about not user viewer. When I had my land rentals I had bots (avatars) run by software & I had to keep them logged in via viewer 24/7. What am I missing here? Is there some new type of bot software that we dont' need to keep them logged in 24/7 with our viewer? tia Edited to add: how do we tell if an avie is a bot or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Viewers can't operate bots so they don't use them. At least normal viewers can't operate bots. Bots are run with bot software which is a different programme entirely to a viewer. Avatars that are logged in with viewers are alts - not bots. There is no way for us to know for sure whether or not an avatar is a bot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Destiny Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Avatars = Bots = scripted agents.<----- when I had my bots, this was how it was. When I had my rental biz, I used such software, logged in my bots into sl using my viewer, & controlled them via said software. I am unaware of any other bot than an avatar. I would like to learn about these bots that don't need viewer, can you link me up with where I can find please? tia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 Bots are always avatars. I didn't say they weren't. For your bot to log in with a viewer, and be controlled by another avatar or by an external programme, it would need to have an attachment that is scripted to cause the avatar to do things. I don't know that an LSL script in an attachment can cause an avatar to, for instance, walk to a particular spot. It may be that a 'bot' viewer exists, of course. I'm only talking about normal viewers. But you said that you logged them in using your viewer. You may mean that they were logged in with viewers, which I assumed, or that they were logged in with a non-viewer programme but you used your viewer with your own logged-in av to bring them in. I don't know which. My first 'bots' were logged in on standard viewers. I called them bots but they weren't really bots because they didn't do anything other than be logged in, just standing. Most of what we've called bots (short for 'robots') never did anything other than be logged in, just standing. They were there for the traffic count. They weren't really robots because robots do things and traffic bots didn't, but we called them bots. The software that is mostly used for bots isn't a viewer at all. It's based on the OpenMetaverse system, and runs in a command prompt window. Most of the time I used bots, I used the OpenMetaverse system for my external programme. The programme logged them in - multiple bots in one programme instance. I had my bots in groups so I used an instance for each group. Each bot could be controlled to do things by me (my av in a viewer), IMing them individually, or by an object owned by me that IMed them individually, or by the external programme that is programmed to tell each of them the various things to do over time. For the 2nd and 3rd of those, no viewer is needed, and I don't need to be logged in. If there is a bot system that only uses normal viewers, and no other programme, I'm not aware of it, and I don't see how it can be done. That doesn't mean it can't be done though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeclaw Denfu Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Inworld bots are possible, AnnMarie OToole's automated abominations could be classified as bots, but there are considerable limits to those scripted objects, Autoreturn is one of them, unlike avatars, if they remain on one parcel longer than autoreturn permits, they're gone. Photography is another, inworld objects cannot take pictures. Moving into a parcel without enough prims available to accommodate the object kills the object as well. Plus a bunch of other limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 It occured to me that the bots rotation isn't functional, and that they rotate to give the impression of a 'manned' avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted February 3, 2013 Author Share Posted February 3, 2013 AnnMarie's abominations aren't avatars though, and the word 'bots' has always referred to avatars - not moving prims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qie Niangao Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I don't think Phil is saying that bots don't have avatars. He's saying that avatars controlled by viewers aren't bots, distinguishing between scripted-client bot software (e.g., OpenMV) on the one hand, and viewer programs on the other. I'm certainly no expert on bots, but there's nothing that necessarily prevents adding the ability to execute a bot script to a regular viewer program -- you know, one that allows the user to control the in-world agent directly, in real-time, with (usually) a graphical interface that corresponds to the agent's in-world view. I'd guess that most bot-running clients include direct (command-line) agent control... and probably most lack display of the agent's in-world view (so one could run a flock of them simultaneously). Certainly that was how the old libsecondlife bots worked, ages ago before the name change even, when I briefly fiddled with them. So, is it a viewer if you can't see the view? Perhaps not: For regular, non-scriptable interfaces, we speak of text-only clients, not text-only viewers, so we can probably settle on that convention. But if one runs bot scripts from programs that are also full-fledged graphical viewers, then yeah, this distinction wouldn't be about disjoint categories. Is that actually the common case now, that bot-running clients have graphical world views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Destiny Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Thanks for the explanation. I know that you can't run a bot with a viewer, that isn't what I meant. When I had my bots, I had the software installed on my computer, and would control them just as you explain in your reply. Perhaps I misunderstand what you are saying but my take is that you can now run bots without having a viewer to log them in running 24/7? It is this bit that I am interested in exploring. Being able to run a bot without having to log that bot into sl with a viewer in order for them to be in world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Destiny Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadeclaw Denfu Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 If you want to have a bot stay longer in one place, you need to have an avatar logged in. But it can be done with specialised software, that doesn't display anything on the client side. However, the scripted agent policy should be followed: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Bot_policy Qie Niangao wrote: "Is that actually the common case now, that bot-running clients have graphical world views? " Depends on the purpose of the bot. Those 360°-photography bots surely do to create the photo, data collectors don't need graphics. And I'm pretty sure, the 'Harmless-Light-Legal'-brigade is commandline controlled. Bot controlling software: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Second_Life_bot_software_comparison You can even rent these critters: http://www.smartbots2life.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Destiny Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Yes thank you. I gave my bots that designation back when they brought the scripted agent designation out. But i've not used them since, other than to log them in periodically to keep them fresh lol. I appreciate all the info given here as I am considering a new venture where bots would most definitely come in handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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