Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 Here is the "offending" song....about 2 Japanese Lezbeans (I use this term as typing the actual word might trigger the pink moderation box). Beautiful song and video, btwl... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istelathis Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 minute ago, Cristiano Midnight said: You monster! 👿 Her oppressive love knows no bounds! Quickly, someone put an end to this oppression she puts us through! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Cristiano Midnight said: Some people seem to view any mention of a marginalized group as being somehow throwing it in their face. When you are the default, other people having equality feels like oppression. If for example you are outraged seeing two men kissing in public but not a man and a woman, you are the problem. If you don't like PDAs at all, that is a different case. As far as highlighting the singer's sexuality. there is much more to being gay than what someone does in the bedroom. Straight people aren't reduced to that, but somehow gay people always are. ^^^^ THIS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Alwin Alcott said: 2 hours ago, Luna Bliss said: I don't think she was prejudiced against gays...I think she did not understand why there is any need for a group of people to stand up and affirm their identity with pride. but that is NOT the task of a meditation mantra group based onyoga/Eastern philosophies that is something YOU want to do, thats no bad lbgt pride month experience, but a bad decision of the course leader. We sing songs of love, and Pride is about love, and celebrating the freeing of the slaves during Junteenth is also about love. Once again, I'll determine what I want in my own freaking classes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristiano Midnight Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: She mentioned that their sexual interaction was done "via speaking about what they do in bed." @Scylla Rhiadra, I'm lodging a complaint with you that you failed to give us a run down on the presented artists last night with lurid details about how they do their slex! Yes, the woman clutching her pearls equated "gay" with describing what they do in bed - those were her ridiculous words. Luna didn't indicate she did anything except introduce the artist. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Here is the "offending" song....about 2 Japanese Lezbeans (I use this term as typing the actual word might trigger the pink moderation box). Beautiful song and video, btwl... How did you arrive at her being "Japanese"? She's Korean. I see nothing about her that's remotely Japanese. Unless there's something I'm missing, what you did would be exactly the same as introducing an Irish singer as an "English" singer, complete with the equivalent long-standing cultural conflicts. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Alwin Alcott said: 1 hour ago, Cristiano Midnight said: Hardly. The pearl clutching over the word gay is the problem. Luna screwed her own concept. Don't blame people who joined without being informed about the agenda. When she had prepared the whole thing there would have been a session spend on the expectations and content. She dropped it in the session and simply forced her own opinion on people again as usual. There's no need at all to mention gender or sexe in ány mantra group. Please read how I introduced MY class.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristiano Midnight Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 6 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Here is the "offending" song....about 2 Japanese Lezbeans (I use this term as typing the actual word might trigger the pink moderation box). Beautiful song and video, btwl... That is a gorgeous song and video, thank you for sharing it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Just now, Cristiano Midnight said: Yes, the woman clutching her pearls equated "gay" with describing what they do in bed - those were her ridiculous words. Luna didn't indicate she did anything except introduce the artist. The way it was described was that the woman would be clutching her pearls at any description of sex, not just the gay kind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Alwin Alcott said: 1 hour ago, Cristiano Midnight said: My god, she said the word gay! How dare she! I am so offended. she got annoyed that somebody had other thoughts than her's that's all. I made my point and you did also, i have nothing to add. I became annoyed that someone couldn't see the love evident in that video, and had no idea about the trauma many gay people go through simply to exist and love who they love. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristiano Midnight Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said: The way it was described was that the woman would be clutching her pearls at any description of sex, not just the gay kind. Again, no sex was described. The word gay was used. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Second Life + "Karen Group" + Any mention of LGBT = Possible negative reaction 95% 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cristiano Midnight Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said: How did you arrive at her being "Japanese"? She's Korean. I see nothing about her that's remotely Japanese. Unless there's something I'm missing, what you did would be exactly the same as introducing an Irish singer as an "English" singer, complete with the equivalent long-standing cultural conflicts. They do have you there, Luna. Lee Hi is Korean. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Just now, Cristiano Midnight said: Again, no sex was described. The word gay was used. People intentionally conflate "love" and "sex" when it comes to LGBTQ. Wheeee!!!! (Same with "sex" and "gender".) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 51 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said: This circumstance embodies much of what I see causing mistrust and animosity in our social norms today. Just because someone feels uncomfortable by something another says does not grant permission to be rude and disruptive. Luna was hosting the event. A guest, IMO, should be respectful of the host. The guest does not have to agree with statements made by the host, but reacting in response to your feelings should be done privately if at all, and certainly not in the midst of introducing an artist. The guest is certainly within her right to host any event she plans as she likes, and Luna would be in error to cause a scene at that event even if Luna is adamantly opposed to the viewpoint stated at said event. If a person is so outraged that they feel the need to react immediately, then standing up and walking out without a vocal response, IMO, is the best response. We are loosing civility in our social interactions. Respect has dwindled to the point of being nearly non-existent. I applaud Luna for hosting an event that showcased LGBTQ+ artists during Pride month! Thank you! ♥♥♥ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 51 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: we don't know to what degree Luna happened to mention how a gay woman has sex with another woman. With Luna that could have been pornographic lololol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 46 minutes ago, Ineffable Mote said: Persona playing and identity politics have nothing to do with love, as that what the event's marketed as. It's problematic in first life too, where secular westerners tend to hijack everything to twist it around into something else entirely, kirtans included. It's not just an SL issue. People are going to give feedback on it, and it's not all going to be favorable or complementary. Elan, really? Trying to make the world a better place by showcasing the talent of oppressed people is totally about love. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starberry Passion Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 9 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: Here is the "offending" song....about 2 Japanese Lezbeans (I use this term as typing the actual word might trigger the pink moderation box). Beautiful song and video, btwl... From what I experienced, on Twitter, which seems to be the case for other platforms and inside of second life is that there are a lot of LGTBQ that are activists that dislike Asian people, the way they look, the way they dress, how they talk, how they act ect even if they are apart of the LGTBQ. There are so many who call a Japanese woman "pedobait" or "pedo-enablers" slandering them and anyone who like them or anyone inside of their culture. They attack games from the East, example is Stellar Blade, because the model looks good and people love it, many activists were upset, claiming she was a little girl "btw, they used a real model and scanned her body to create the female lead, she's 36 years old." There has been an increase of defamation and attacks towards Asian people, for some strange reason when they have done nothing, it is sad that it found its way to Second Life. I didn't think it would be this bad in second life, however it has shown up. Also, this isn't Japanese, this is Korean. There are a few bad people in the LGTBQ community that make the community look bad, like this. You shouldn't waste your energy on people who can't and won't be happy for something. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bree Giffen said: So she was with her husband in SL and finds sex in general icky? 🤔 She was speaking about her RL husband, and how they both agreed how wrong it was for proud gays to introduce an artist and refer to their sexuality. She didn't understand how other gays do this as a source of pride, like "hey, see the good people in our group can do"? If she understood,or cared, how denigrated gays still are in many parts of the world (including the US) she wouldn't say such a thing. Edited June 16 by Luna Bliss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubblesort Triskaidekaphobia Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 3 hours ago, Luna Bliss said: I have a Mantra class in SL where we sing songs of love each week, usually based on yoga/Eastern philosophies, but sometimes I find songs to bolster certain groups of people who are disadvantaged when we're having a celebration marking their existence (for example...Juneteenth, Pride month, Martin Luther King birthday). One week I featured Yogi's who were African-American for Junteenth, and for Pride month I featured songs by those in the LGBTQ+ community. So for Pride in June, as I was introducing a song, I simply said this was a song by a Japanese gay woman, and one of the attendees said she and her husband found it disgusting that gay artists were introduced in that way via speaking about what they do in bed. She went on to say, however, that she found sex in general icky. I tried to explain that I haven't seen a lot of videos on YouTube about Japanese gay women, and that they are not represented well in society, and so I wanted to give a shout out to them. That in the month of June maybe this woman could be recognized for who she is, with pride. That I was basically just giving a bit of love her way. It just really floors me that people don't understand what Pride month is about and why it's needed. Many don't have any notion of the disadvantage this minority still encounters and think it's totally about sex, even in SL. Sounds like a positive experience to me. Disrupt the comfortable, comfort the disrupted and all that. IDK, I don't meditate, but I think it's generally good to annoy homophobes by treating gay people like human beings. You should dedicate next week's mantra to those who have suffered serfdom, and/or slavery, under the dali lama. Everybody deserves compassion, right? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJBear Bitey Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 12 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said: How did you arrive at her being "Japanese"? She's Korean. I see nothing about her that's remotely Japanese. Unless there's something I'm missing, what you did would be exactly the same as introducing an Irish singer as an "English" singer, complete with the equivalent long-standing cultural conflicts. Thanks. Didn't know anything about her so looked her up. https://kprofiles.com/lee-hi-profile/ Quote Lee Hi (이하이) is a Korean solo artist who debuted November 4th, 2012, under YG Entertainment. On December 31, 2019, Lee Hi announced that she had ended her contract with YG Entertainment. In July 2020 Lee Hi signed with AOMG. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 22 minutes ago, Istelathis said: Her oppressive love knows no bounds! Quickly, someone put an end to this oppression she puts us through! Reminds me a song about "O.P.P." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 40 minutes ago, Paul Hexem said: 42 minutes ago, Cristiano Midnight said: Considering a slogan of LGBT equality has been "love is love" Exactly. If that's true, why are we singling out what kind? Because at a Pride event we are affirming those in society who have been disadvantaged by the larger society. Maybe if our society actually believed in equality, and believed certain groups are not bad then the gay man not far from where I live would not have been bludgeoned to death! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theresa Tennyson Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: She was speaking about her RL husband, and how they both agreed how wrong it was wrong for proud gays to introduce an artist and refer to their sexuality. She didn't understand how other gays do this as a source of pride, like "hey, see the good people in our group can do"? If she understood,or cared, how denigrated gays still are in many parts of the world (including the US) she wouldn't say such a thing. In other words, she started talking about her sexuality. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said: From what I experienced, on Twitter, which seems to be the case for other platforms and inside of second life is that there are a lot of LGTBQ that are activists that dislike Asian people, the way they look, the way they dress, how they talk, how they act ect even if they are apart of the LGTBQ. There are so many who call a Japanese woman "pedobait" or "pedo-enablers" slandering them and anyone who like them or anyone inside of their culture. They attack games from the East, example is Stellar Blade, because the model looks good and people love it, many activists were upset, claiming she was a little girl "btw, they used a real model and scanned her body to create the female lead, she's 36 years old." There has been an increase of defamation and attacks towards Asian people, for some strange reason when they have done nothing, it is sad that it found its way to Second Life. I didn't think it would be this bad in second life, however it has shown up. Also, this isn't Japanese, this is Korean. There are a few bad people in the LGTBQ community that make the community look bad, like this. You shouldn't waste your energy on people who can't and won't be happy for something. You should probably find better places to hang out in SL. Almost every single post you make has reference to people hating on someone for being short or thin or Asian or whatever. THAT is why I give a.lot.of your posts my WTF reaction. I've yet to run into any discrimination in SL against my height or color or anything. I just don't think it's as common as you keep saying. And people wonder why other stay off of social media. Must be 100s of times worse than the forums or SL because I just do not see it. Edited June 16 by Rowan Amore 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facebook
Instagram
Twitter
YouTube
Flickr
Recommended Posts