BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 47 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said: Consumption of CP is also illegal. Meaning, watching it, be engrossed in it. Whether it's recorded or not, in respect to SL, wouldn't matter. You're watching/consuming it. doesnt matter, if there is no physical record, either a photo or video, there is no crime, you cant be guilty of posessing CP, because it doesnt exist, and thats the crime, not engaging invirtual pedo sex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 40 minutes ago, Jaylinbridges said: An artist paints a lewd picture of age-play with children in his private studio. Then he says, ehh, that will never get by the school board for the high school flag. So he burns his painting. Did he commit a crime? (Note the artist was Canadian.eh?) Look it up yourself... Legal status of fictional pornography depicting minors - Wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 40 minutes ago, Jaylinbridges said: An artist paints a lewd picture of age-play with children in his private studio. Then he says, ehh, that will never get by the school board for the high school flag. So he burns his painting. Did he commit a crime? (Note the artist was Canadian.eh?) that was years ago wasnt it? The artist was found not guilty because no children were harmed, and it was his right to artistic expression. Of course, i m sure the laws changed since then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadvhi Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 29 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: its only a crime it you record it 😂 an adult having virtual sex with an adult playing a child is not a crime Such depictions are illegal in the USA. Our avatars are considered artistic/creative works and expressions and are subject to the same laws that regulate obscene or illegal content in other visual art forms like drawings, digital art, etc. Avatars in virtual worlds like SL aren't exempt from laws governing obscenity, indecency, and other illegal depictions, even if the activities are kept private. There's no legal loophole that allows the creation of obscene content just because it's in a private virtual space that others can't see. There's no "get out of jail free" card that protects such content from laws just because it's relegated to a private virtual world. Our activities are not actually "private" or protected just because others can't see it live. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 2 minutes ago, Sadvhi said: Such depictions are illegal in the USA. Our avatars are considered artistic/creative works and expressions and are subject to the same laws that regulate obscene or illegal content in other visual art forms like drawings, digital art, etc. Avatars in virtual worlds like SL aren't exempt from laws governing obscenity, indecency, and other illegal depictions, even if the activities are kept private. There's no legal loophole that allows the creation of obscene content just because it's in a private virtual space that others can't see. There's no "get out of jail free" card that protects such content from laws just because it's relegated to a private virtual world. Our activities are not actually "private" or protected just because others can't see it live. what part of “there has to be a physical record of the act to be charged with posession of CP” do you not understand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadvhi Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 7 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: what part of “there has to be a physical record of the act to be charged with posession of CP” do you not understand? Their conversation alone would be enough to prosecute them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 55 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: Are you looking for a safe way to get away with drawing dirty pictures? It's an interesting line of questioning, if not. Try an Etch-a-Sketch. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Sadvhi said: Their conversation alone would be enough to prosecute them i doubt that very much. a conversation is not CP. nice try though . 😂 Edited May 17 by BilliJo Aldrin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 6 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said: Try an Etch-a-Sketch. I'm reminded of movies and "skits" where a delusional person is told that their Etch-a-Sketch is a laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaylinbridges Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said: Look it up yourself... Legal status of fictional pornography depicting minors - Wikipedia Wrong answer. The painting was destroyed before anyone but the creator, the artist saw it. The artist burned it the same day he finished the painting. Laws about fictional pornography can not apply if there was never any evidence that such pornography existed. Just like someone engaging in SOLO SEX in SL with himself, and does not record the animation, has exposed no one but his own eyes and memory to that animation. He happened to have on an under 18 avatar at the time. You think that is a bannable offense? My quiz was about a solo painting that no one ever saw before it burned. What some of you puritans are saying is - if you make an image and then destroy it, so it only remains as a memory in your own brain - that this is a crime. Have you never had an illegal thought in your life? Not one you ever spoke or revealed, but a secret thought in your brain? Should we arrest you for that? Get out the brain probes and let's recreate your brain image to show to the judge. Edited May 17 by Jaylinbridges 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadvhi Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 23 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: i doubt that very much. a conversation is not CP. nice try though . 😂 Behaviors depicted virtually through avatars in SL, even without screenshots or recordings, could still potentially be prosecuted if they're obscene or illegal. Not having a video/image record doesn't automatically make the activities legal or unprosecutable. Chat transcripts that describe obscene or illegal avatar actions could be deemed digitally obscene material under U.S. obscenity laws, even without visuals. So while a visual record could make an easier case, the lack of one doesn't make avatar actions immune from obscenity laws, if the textual descriptions cross legal thresholds of obscenity. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 5 minutes ago, Sadvhi said: Behaviors depicted virtually through avatars in SL, even without screenshots or recordings, could still potentially be prosecuted if they're obscene or illegal. Not having a video/image record doesn't automatically make the activities legal or unprosecutable. Chat transcripts that describe obscene or illegal avatar actions could be deemed digitally obscene material under U.S. obscenity laws, even without visuals. So while a visual record could make an easier case, the lack of one doesn't make avatar actions immune from obscenity laws, if the textual descriptions cross legal thresholds of obscenity. you really think they will prosecute two adults for talking dirty to each other? seriously? 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaylinbridges Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 I never speak during sex. Maybe an Ahh or two, but I could be talking about the sunset. And typing during sex? I don't type well one-handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 19 minutes ago, Jaylinbridges said: Wrong answer. The painting was destroyed before anyone but the creator, the artist saw it. The artist burned it the same day he finished the painting. Laws about fictional pornography can not apply if there was never any evidence that such pornography existed. Just like someone engaging in SOLO SEX in SL with himself, and does not record the animation, has exposed no one but his own eyes and memory to that animation. He happened to have on an under 18 avatar at the time. You think that is a bannable offense? My quiz was about a solo painting that no one ever saw before it burned. What some of you puritans are saying is - if you make an image and then destroy it, so it only remains as a memory in your own brain - that this is a crime. Have you never had an illegal thought in your life? Not one you ever spoke or revealed, but a secret thought in your brain? Should we arrest you for that? Get out the brain probes and let's recreate your brain image to show to the judge. So let me get this straight. If no one records it, avatars in SL can engage in CP and it's not illegal? The discussion IS about SL,.right? My responses have all been about SL. Others have dragged it into the RL weeds. It's against the ToS...the law of SL. But you all just keep on dragging RL into it. Your RL psychological problems made you engage in sexual AP. It's not sexual AP if no one sees it. The hell is wrong with you people. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 11 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: you really think they will prosecute two adults for talking dirty to each other? seriously? 😂 Linden Lab *will* ban adults for talking dirty if one or both of them are representing as a minor. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadvhi Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 14 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: you really think they will prosecute two adults for talking dirty to each other? seriously? 😂 Private consensual "dirty talk" is very different from descriptions of clearly illegal obscene activities like exploiting minors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Watching adults try to justify AP, is like watching an animal caught in a snare. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 4 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said: Linden Lab *will* ban adults for talking dirty if one or both of them are representing as a minor. LL lab for sure, but the police wont get involved if no real child was involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 2 minutes ago, Sadvhi said: Private consensual "dirty talk" is very different from descriptions of clearly illegal obscene activities like exploiting minors. if its a private conversation, it doesnt matter what they are talking about You are starting to bore me, block list for you 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 minute ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: LL lab for sure, but the police wont get involved if no real child was involved If you THINK you are talking to a child, and they catch you.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadvhi Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 This is the whole reason LL had to update the TOS 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madi Melodious Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Before I go aback and read this, can I ask what the point of this discussion is? Scanning the thread, it looks to me like some of you are trying to justify CP. If this is the case just let me know so I can write this thread off as a bad idea. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 4 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said: If you THINK you are talking to a child, and they catch you.. Yup. The police do stings where there is no actual minor involved. Have you ever seen "To Catch a Predator" on tv in the US? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Emerald Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 1 minute ago, Madi Melodious said: Before I go aback and read this, can I ask what the point of this discussion is? Scanning the thread, it looks to me like some of you are trying to justify CP. If this is the case just let me know so I can write this thread off as a bad idea. The thread has gone from the weeds into a deep, murky swamp full of alligators and leeches. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Rhiadra Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Wow. Are we trying to lawyer our way around the illegality of AP here? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facebook
Instagram
Twitter
YouTube
Flickr
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now