New Linden Homes

[Mollymews]

thinking about it a bit.  A way that a wait list could work would be like a lottery

put your name on different lists for houseboat and/or traditional

as each new batch is released. Spin the wheel and random assign them to people on the list. Send those people an inworld message and a email saying they have won a home and here is the LM/SLURL

if a person abandons their prize then its immediately random assigned to another person on the list. The person abandoning can put their name back on the list for the next lottery draw 

[Alyona Su]

4 hours ago, Mollymews said:

thinking about it a bit.  A way that a wait list could work would be like a lottery

put your name on different lists for houseboat and/or traditional

as each new batch is released. Spin the wheel and random assign them to people on the list. Send those people an inworld message and a email saying they have won a home and here is the LM/SLURL

if a person abandons their prize then its immediately random assigned to another person on the list. The person abandoning can put their name back on the list for the next lottery draw 

The Devil's advocate version: A lottery would be "game of chance" which is against ToS. Your ability to click through the claim web site could be considered a game of skill. ~snickers~

Edited May 17, 2019 by Alyona Su

[Mollymews]

1 minute ago, Alyona Su said:

The Devil's advocate version: A lottery would be "game of chance" which is against ToS. You ability to click through the claim web site *could* be considered a game of skill.

i think that it wouldn't be considered as a game of chance, as it doesn't cost any extra to play, as such.  When look at the Premium offering then I think it could be argued that it doesn't come with a home, it comes with a mainland tier allowance

and yes lol, the Refresh game could be considered a game of skill. And if so then has LL self-certified the skill game being played on their web service

[Alyona Su]

3 hours ago, Mollymews said:

i think that it wouldn't be considered as a game of chance, as it doesn't cost any extra to play, as such.  When look at the Premium offering then I think it could be argued that it doesn't come with a home, it comes with a mainland tier allowance

and yes lol, the Refresh game could be considered a game of skill. And if so then has LL self-certified the skill game being played on their web service

They are by law in many U.S. states, including mine, the only waiver given to 501c.3 non-profit organizations. Unless it's run by the state, of course. Because they don't have to suffer the very laws they create that they dump on our backs. LOL

Edit to add: You DO know the post you reply to was a joke, right? At least that was the intentional meaning of "Devil's advocate version".

Edited May 17, 2019 by Alyona Su

[Mollymews]

1 minute ago, Alyona Su said:

They are by law in many U.S. states, including mine, the only waiver given to 501c.3 non-profit organizations. Unless it's run by the state, of course. Because they don;t have to suffer the laws the dump on our backs. LOL

possibly, but it could then be argued that Premium accounts are like loot boxes / gachas. Everybody gets something. Most at the moment get a common (tier allowance) and some get a rare (houseboat or house)

[Theresa Tennyson]

5 hours ago, Mollymews said:

thinking about it a bit.  A way that a wait list could work would be like a lottery

put your name on different lists for houseboat and/or traditional

as each new batch is released. Spin the wheel and random assign them to people on the list. Send those people an inworld message and a email saying they have won a home and here is the LM/SLURL

if a person abandons their prize then its immediately random assigned to another person on the list. The person abandoning can put their name back on the list for the next lottery draw 

The problem with that is it will discourage people from making alternate plans because they MIGHT get what they want, rather than taking a hard look at the situation and deciding whether to either wait or do something else. One of the most hot and bothered posters who was complaining about not getting the houseboat that they were "entitled" to (and who already owned a full region, mind you) just started crowing that they'd got some land and put up a "better" houseboat on a "better" lot instead which: well, duhhh.... 

Right now people are making decisions that aren't even close to rational - threatening to cancel premium memberships after 10 years because somehow or other the benefit they saw in being Premium vanished because they didn't get one; taking a house almost literally because they wanted to complain about it and in so many words for the "challenge of the acquisition", etc...

Edited May 17, 2019 by Theresa Tennyson

[Mollymews]

16 minutes ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

The problem with that is it will discourage people from making alternate plans because they MIGHT get what they want, rather than taking a hard look at the situation and deciding whether to either wait or do something else

yes

another issue with a wait list or a lottery list is tier and how would that be handled. Like if a person already has an a 1024m parcel on mainland or old Linden Home, then if they were assigned a house on the wait list or lottery then does their tier automatically increase. Or do people go to the parcel and claim the house first, after having abandoned their old home and if so then how much time do they have to do this before the offer is withdrawn, and so on. It starts to all get a bit murky when work through the various user perspectives

 

[Fiona Nova]

It is pointless to think about a waiting list or a lottery. If this were to happen, newbies would probably wait months to sign up as premium members. 
 

Everything will stay as it is. Just be patient, everyone will finally get what they want.

[Beth Macbain]

11 hours ago, Evangeline Ling said:

What I am saying is if I am 10,000 in line (ill use your number) then i know 9,999 people come before me and I'll wait for my turn... if its always a big race to log in every new batch then if you are just a naturally slow person or maybe don't log in every heartbeat of your life to SL you will be last every single time, never get a home, never actually get closer to getting one, period... its pretty simple a waiting list puts you in an order that eventually will be completed even if its a long time... but the system right now benefits the SL campers and not the casual users... a waiting list also gives LL a better sense of which types of houses people prefer and how many of each type makes most sense... obviously when you sign up on a waiting list you choose the kind of lot you want and your queue is attached to the type you signed up for not the entire pool of people waiting for houses... just the people waiting for the houseboats for example...

And that is all good and fine... for you, because that would be the way you prefer it. Others would complain. Someone is always going to complain, and that's my entire point. There is no one way that everyone is going to think is fair and equitable. 

Also, I'm hardly an SL camper. I had never used these forums before I got my boat. I just happened to have my FB SL pulled up when the first batch was released and saw something on my feed. I had no idea there would be a huge demand. Hell, I had no idea LL was even creating new homes, much less knew there was an entirely new continent being built. I just thought a houseboat sounded cool and I never really used my Linden Home so I clicked a button. I was working from home, logged in, packed up all the stuff in my old Linden Home, went to the website, clicked once, and got a boat. It was pure dumb luck, not as a result of any camping.  

It's all just dumb luck. 

[Evangeline Ling]

7 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:

And that is all good and fine... for you, because that would be the way you prefer it. Others would complain. Someone is always going to complain, and that's my entire point. There is no one way that everyone is going to think is fair and equitable. 

Also, I'm hardly an SL camper. I had never used these forums before I got my boat. I just happened to have my FB SL pulled up when the first batch was released and saw something on my feed. I had no idea there would be a huge demand. Hell, I had no idea LL was even creating new homes, much less knew there was an entirely new continent being built. I just thought a houseboat sounded cool and I never really used my Linden Home so I clicked a button. I was working from home, logged in, packed up all the stuff in my old Linden Home, went to the website, clicked once, and got a boat. It was pure dumb luck, not as a result of any camping.  

It's all just dumb luck. 

That's great for you that you had luck, for most people this is not going to be the case though, and check my number of posts in the forums... I have been in SL for over 12 years and never felt a need to even come to the forums before this.  Why?  Because LL's communication on this has been entirely poor... I only learned about the new continent & houseboats by word of mouth.  You shouldn't have to comb the website for info, on big important things like this a little inworld message now and then from LL would be appreciated but its still going to end up being the folks who camp who usually get those... I'm sure you and a few others stumbled onto lucky timing or whatnot but I would be willing to guess the lion share of people who got those lots were folks who were mostly in the know cause they have 10,000 messages already in the forums and/or camp these pages for info and started hitting the refresh button on turbo to get a house.  Honesty give me an old fashioned line... I'm happy to wait my turn rather then to either rely on "dumb luck" or obsessive compulsive page refreshing.

I'll probably hold onto my 1024 tier a little longer, but if a piece of mainland comes up that I want and is not insanely expensive I'll probably buy that.  I like the idea of having one of these lots for probably the same reasons most people want them.  You get a guaranteed plot in a community that is not going to turn into some gigantic mall or gaming center.  The lots are not right on top of each other and look relatively nice.  Houseboats are people's favorites I would guess because of water access you just don't get that with the other houses and really there is no other advantage to getting a house without water.  Most people know that and that's why there is a demand for the houseboats... if you look at mainland in general, protected water lots go for a premium while landlocked plots largely sit in an abandoned state, you cant even give them away

You obviously have your opinion, I have mine too... going to just have to agree to disagree on this 

[Love Zhaoying]

2 hours ago, Theresa Tennyson said:

Right now people are making decisions that aren't even close to rational - threatening to cancel premium memberships after 10 years because somehow or other the benefit they saw in being Premium vanished because they didn't get one; taking a house almost literally because they wanted to complain about it and in so many words for the "challenge of the acquisition", etc...

Sounds legit. People are lucky LL doesn’t charge more for the new homes, considering the demand.