weena Janic Posted December 12, 2012 Author Share Posted December 12, 2012 If you guys would take the time to read my post instead of giving me advice you would see that all i wanted was to be able to edit my mistake out but all this dont matter now since i closed the store in marketpllace i'm no longer selling anything there Thank you all for ....whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 weena Janic wrote: If you guys would take the time to read my post instead of giving me advice you would see that all i wanted was to be able to edit my mistake out but all this dont matter now since i closed the store in marketpllace i'm no longer selling anything there Thank you all for ....whatever yes but in your first response to the first person who said you cant actual use brandnames/tm in your keywords you get all defensive and said stuff like: i wasnt using the brandname to sell my stuff. i just was using it so that people can find my stuff. and then argue that is not the same thing people went wut??? wut??? when you did + if you had of just said: yeah ok i accept that now that i know i cant do that but anyways: how come we cant just edit the stupid things? it really suxs that i couldnt edit them and would be good if linden fixed it so we could then just about every merchant on these forums would have gone: ^^^ that ^^ ^^^ yeah that ^^ + edit ps if you gunna rant and baw and is actual ok theat you do then do it in a way that will get you support. is why i said this post is just about the worst way ever to vent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 16 wrote: OP has gone now but ji ust say that this probably the worst way to vent pretty much ever like you get your stuff blocked by linden bc you using a brandname/tm that you not allowed to do so have a rant/moan. which is ok to do + is 2 parts to the rant/moan 1) is so unfair that i cant use someone elses brandname/tm to help sell my stuff 2) after being told i cant then it sux that i wasnt able to edit my MP listings and i had to do them all over again OP vent went all wrong when kept getting defensive about 1) later on OP get off that and go onto 2). which is the more important thing if you actual want to get anything good to come out of the rant but by then was all kinda to late + also dunno if anyone else noticed the thread got hit about 900 times by a link clicker within minutes of it first being posted is not a good look this and dont help with the credibility of the rant/moan when this happens No, I had not noticed, but given the number of views showing right now I can see you must be right. Was that because of the brand name being used here, do you think? I agree with your assessment of the two parts of the argument/rant and if it had been presented differently it would have had a different response, I think. Sometimes people get so ticked off about stuff they can't back up. It's happened to me. It seems to have happened here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImaTest1488314069 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 weena Janic wrote: If you guys would take the time to read my post instead of giving me advice you would see that all i wanted was to be able to edit my mistake out but all this dont matter now since i closed the store in marketpllace i'm no longer selling anything there Thank you all for ....whatever We people did nothing. You're still flouncing. What would speak volumes is saying "welp, I effed up here, kinda pissed I couldn't just fix what I effed up" or something to that effect. Instead what you did was blame everyone else for the fact that you don't like to follow rules and in doing so created more work for yourself. If there is anyone to be angry at here, it's your own self. We've all done stupid stuff before. We've all done things that make us facepalm our own selves. It's not the end of the world. No one likes having to fix their own screwups, but it's still something we all have to do. If people made it easier for us to remedy it everytime, we'd never learn our lesson now would we? You were given advice because you seemed, and still seem, to not understand why you can't use that phrase in keywords. Even if you don't appreciate the advice given there are likely others that might benefit from it. Beauty of public forums like this is when we post, we're not the only ones reading. That's why I linked to the actual TOS. Not just for your benefit, but others as well. I can be helpful sometimes. Though I try not to sometimes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 the name of this post "This is pushing it a bit" way down in the obscure hole that GDF is dont get over 900 views in less than 5 minutes of being posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 16 wrote: the name of this post "This is pushing it a bit" way down in the obscure hole that GDF is dont get over 900 views in less than 5 minutes of being posting Was that Kiwi for "Well, DUH."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 sry (: + i just noticed the number jump at the time was all. and i kinda went: lol thats gunna really help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melita Magic Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 weena Janic wrote: If you guys would take the time to read my post instead of giving me advice you would see that all i wanted was to be able to edit my mistake out but all this dont matter now since i closed the store in marketpllace i'm no longer selling anything there Thank you all for ....whatever No I understood that. I and I think others were responding to the part about it being OK to use the trademark name in search. And responding to the indignation about LL taking action. Not sure what we were to do about the grumbling about not being able to edit, part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melita Magic Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 ImaTest wrote: Even if you don't appreciate the advice given there are likely others that might benefit from it. Beauty of public forums like this is when we post, we're not the only ones reading. THIS!!! x 1000 I might make it my sigline. People forget that when they say things to someone else, it isn't only read by that person. It also sometimes is not ONLY intended for a person but to answer more completely to help others who might be drawn to a topic. Many more read this forum than post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Melita Magic wrote: ImaTest wrote: Even if you don't appreciate the advice given there are likely others that might benefit from it. Beauty of public forums like this is when we post, we're not the only ones reading. THIS!!! x 1000 I might make it my sigline. People forget that when they say things to someone else, it isn't only read by that person. It also sometimes is not ONLY intended for a person but to answer more completely to help others who might be drawn to a topic. Many more read this forum than post here. "Many more read this forum than post here." I have a couple of friends who will comment to me In World about things I've said here who to the best of my knowledge have never posted a comment here. But getting back to the topic, once again we are dealing with a lot of unknowns here. While I do have a general understanding of what Linden Lab's legal obligations are regarding Copyright infringement, I have absolutely no knowledge regarding Trade Mark infringement. What I do know is that it violates the TOS, and that generally speaking something like this would be done under advice of Counsel. In other words, they are playing it safe legally speaking. For the sake of this discussion, I am going to assume (yes, I know, a dangerous thing to do) that Linden Lab has to act on Trade Mark infringement. Linden Lab could edit the listing themselves. A labor intensive activity that should not fall on them. Linden Lab could just send a note to the Merchant saying "you need to edit your listing." But then how long do they wait for the Merchant to do the edit? And then, in addition, they have to keep track of and follow up on those listings. Again, a labor intensive activity. Or they can do what they are doing. Take down the listing, inform the Merchant and allow the Merchant to relist. More labor intensive for the Merchant but it is the Merchant's responsibility to know and follow the rules, so maybe this really is the most sensible way for them to proceed and not run afoul of the Trade Mark laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 is a good point about how much time can linden allow to edit can see now why it is how it is could easy get into deliberate edit delaying wars which tricky people would do to keep stuff up as long as they can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melita Magic Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Yes I think people forget that. That's why it bothers me if I get characterized harshly for absolutely no reason. It really baffles me. But how will I know if others read any of those things and one day I meet them in world...and that is the preconceived notion they will carry of me. I don't and that is why it feels so bad. In fact the people who post here are only a tiny fraction of SL residents and also a tiny fraction of those who visit the forums. But I find some who visit often begin to feel it is their own blog and they can do or say 'what they want to' - and since they only seem to be encouraged at times it is no wonder. I'm just here to try to help people, but if someone slaps my face for no reason I will cry ouch and it might be loud. ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Melita Magic wrote: ImaTest wrote: Even if you don't appreciate the advice given there are likely others that might benefit from it. Beauty of public forums like this is when we post, we're not the only ones reading. People forget that when they say things to someone else, it isn't only read by that person. It also sometimes is not ONLY intended for a person but to answer more completely to help others who might be drawn to a topic. Many more read this forum than post here. Too many iconoclastic types round SL for that. People who often fail to realize there is a universe beyond the 'me'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Pussycat Catnap wrote: Melita Magic wrote: ImaTest wrote: Even if you don't appreciate the advice given there are likely others that might benefit from it. Beauty of public forums like this is when we post, we're not the only ones reading. People forget that when they say things to someone else, it isn't only read by that person. It also sometimes is not ONLY intended for a person but to answer more completely to help others who might be drawn to a topic. Many more read this forum than post here. Too many iconoclastic types round SL for that. People who often fail to realize there is a universe beyond the 'me'... I think we are all guilty at times of the "me" syndrome. I try not to be but I know I have been at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pussycat Catnap Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Perrie Juran wrote: Pussycat Catnap wrote: Too many iconoclastic types round SL for that. People who often fail to realize there is a universe beyond the 'me'... I think we are all guilty at times of the "me" syndrome. I try not to be but I know I have been at times. Very true and frustratingly so. So stop doing it on MY reply! This is MY interwebz!!! =^^= As to this thread - long as we all recognize that its a good general topic, with good general advice - and that plenty of people make the OPs mistake while having good intentions, it can be handy educational advice for others. To OP: Don't take your whole store down and give up. Just retool, rebrand, and relaunch. A setback is just another word for a new opportunity. ( https://my.secondlife.com/pussycat.catnap/posts/50c8cb741e99f0000200374b - sometimes you have to fall before you can see up.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky Gorky Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 weena Janic wrote: If you guys would take the time to read my post instead of giving me advice you would see that all i wanted was to be able to edit my mistake out but all this dont matter now since i closed the store in marketpllace i'm no longer selling anything there Thank you all for ....whatever Over react much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Galli Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Not everyone is tempermentally suited to be a merchant in SL. It is not for the faint of heart. If the OP thinks this is just too daunting to overcome, he might not have lasted long anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czari Zenovka Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 16 wrote: also dunno if anyone else noticed the thread got hit about 900 times by a link clicker within minutes of it first being posted is not a good look this and dont help with the credibility of the rant/moan when this happens Where can you tell how many times a thread was clicked? Curious minds want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Your browser may show this differently, but there is a 'Views' column, and apparently 16 noticed it jumped like crazy within minutes of the thread being started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czari Zenovka Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Dillon Levenque wrote: Your browser may show this differently, but there is a 'Views' column, and apparently 16 noticed it jumped like crazy within minutes of the thread being started. Oh right...those views. :matte-motes-bashful: *Slinks back into the shadows with a red face whispering a thank you* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Czari Zenovka wrote: 16 wrote: also dunno if anyone else noticed the thread got hit about 900 times by a link clicker within minutes of it first being posted is not a good look this and dont help with the credibility of the rant/moan when this happens Where can you tell how many times a thread was clicked? Curious minds want to know. for GDF is this page. i hope is the same for you. should be http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/bd-p/GeneralDiscussionForum to get to it you start at the top tab: Forums then just click on each of the headings. is the same for all the subforums on here the views count is the number of times each top post is click opened/viewed i was on when OP made his post. i have quick read then i go read some other ones. about 5 minutes later i came back to the GDF page. the view count was over 900. lol srs fail (: + the view count for each post always change when the link is clicked on. even when you not logged in. seems whoever click hammer it must of thought that high count viewed posts on this forum come to the top was urgent bsns seems like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161488303349 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 what Dillon said (: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josef Balbozar Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 My posts were made by a real person ... and any action taken by some people would be real as well. This is a very emotive issue of general interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Levenque Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Josef Balbozar wrote: My posts were made by a real person ... and any action taken by some people would be real as well. This is a very emotive issue of general interest. ? You may have replied to me by mistake, but if you didn't I am unsure what you meant. My comment had to do with Views, not with posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czari Zenovka Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 16 wrote: Czari Zenovka wrote: 16 wrote: also dunno if anyone else noticed the thread got hit about 900 times by a link clicker within minutes of it first being posted is not a good look this and dont help with the credibility of the rant/moan when this happens Where can you tell how many times a thread was clicked? Curious minds want to know. for GDF is this page. i hope is the same for you. should be http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/bd-p/GeneralDiscussionForum to get to it you start at the top tab: Forums then just click on each of the headings. is the same for all the subforums on here the views count is the number of times each top post is click opened/viewed i was on when OP made his post. i have quick read then i go read some other ones. about 5 minutes later i came back to the GDF page. the view count was over 900. lol srs fail (: + the view count for each post always change when the link is clicked on. even when you not logged in. seems whoever click hammer it must of thought that high count viewed posts on this forum come to the top was urgent bsns seems like *Waves and whispers "Thank You" - still have red face* ETA: For some reason I thought there was some snazzy "number of views" optional add-on software. *Goes back under rock* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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