Drake1 Nightfire Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Why don't we all stop using the forums for a week or two. Let LL see the spam pile up without anyone reporting it. See how long it takes for them to fix it when they dont get any money from the ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake1 Nightfire Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Why don't we all stop using the forums for a week or two. Let LL see the spam pile up without anyone reporting it. See how long it takes for them to fix it when they dont get any money from the ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Ceawlin Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 What ads? :smileywink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Bhalti Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Yep, firefox + abp=no ad's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenMichelle Lane Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Drake, The last time I checked, these are OUR forums, hosted by Linden Lab. Just making sure I didn't miss a charter change or something. By way of an extreme example - So do you not call in the murder happening on your street because the City Owns it? Just sayin' Also, what ads????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 KarenMichelle Lane wrote: Drake, The last time I checked, these are OUR forums, hosted by Linden Lab. Just making sure I didn't miss a charter change or something. Ummmmmm, how long have you been suffering from these Delusions of Grandeur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amethyst Jetaime Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 No ads here. I use ad blocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czari Zenovka Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Another Adblocker person here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake1 Nightfire Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Yeah yeah yeah... I use adblock too, but they are still there whether you see them or not. Why do you think they started selling ad space on THEIR sites, this isn't our forum stop fooling yourself. If the spammers didn't get hits on the mumbai escort spam why would they keep doing it? If the forum went dead for a week I would guess the spam might stop. It was just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohhnoes Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Drake1 Nightfire wrote: Yeah yeah yeah... I use adblock too, but they are still there whether you see them or not. Why do you think they started selling ad space on THEIR sites, this isn't our forum stop fooling yourself. If the spammers didn't get hits on the mumbai escort spam why would they keep doing it? If the forum went dead for a week I would guess the spam might stop. It was just a thought. Drake1 Nightfire wrote: If the forum went dead for a week This forum never lived. It died when they replaced it for the old ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Drake1 Nightfire wrote: Yeah yeah yeah... I use adblock too, but they are still there whether you see them or not. Why do you think they started selling ad space on THEIR sites, this isn't our forum stop fooling yourself. If the spammers didn't get hits on the mumbai escort spam why would they keep doing it? If the forum went dead for a week I would guess the spam might stop. It was just a thought. As I understand it, adblock software prevents the banner host (LL) from registering an impression. So by turning on adblockers, we deprive LL of the impression revenue. We deprive them of the click through revenue by not clicking through. As there are no ads inside posts, the spammers only feedback from their efforts would be in the form of residents clicking on the links inside the posts. I don't imagine anyone is doing that. The reason the spammers keep trying is that the people paying them to do it are probably not measuring the results, or are being scammed by the spammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffin Ceawlin Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Drake1 Nightfire wrote: If the forum went dead for a week I would guess the spam might stop. I would guess it would not. The SPAMmers would still SPAM and the only thing that would have happened is one of two things. Either the forum would be chock full of SPAM on your return because nobody was using it and therefore nobody could be bothered RICing it (and let's face it, full participation in any "boycott" would never happen, anyway), or one or more of the mods would have taken a more proactive role in eliminating it (either on their own initiative... LAWL!... or because someone above them saw the mess and told them to). I wouldn't bet on the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madeline Blackbart Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I think it's pretty impossible to stop all spamming anyway. Any measure you put in would soon be circumvented somehow anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czari Zenovka Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Madelaine McMasters wrote: The reason the spammers keep trying is that the people paying them to do it are probably not measuring the results, or are being scammed by the spammers. (Bolding mine) That would make a good tongue-twister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenMichelle Lane Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Perrie Juran wrote: KarenMichelle Lane wrote: Drake, The last time I checked, these are OUR forums, hosted by Linden Lab. Just making sure I didn't miss a charter change or something. Ummmmmm, how long have you been suffering from these Delusions of Grandeur? Puts on a 3rd pair of Rose colored glasses - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenMichelle Lane Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Griffin Ceawlin wrote: Drake1 Nightfire wrote: If the forum went dead for a week I would guess the spam might stop. I would guess it would not. The SPAMmers would still SPAM and the only thing that would have happened is one of two things. Either the forum would be chock full of SPAM on your return because nobody was using it and therefore nobody could be bothered RICing it (and let's face it, full participation in any "boycott" would never happen, anyway), or one or more of the mods would have taken a more proactive role in eliminating it (either on their own initiative... LAWL!... or because someone above them saw the mess and told them to). I wouldn't bet on the latter. There is a special Level of Hell set aside for SPAMers. Unfortunately it's already been SPAMMed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I think it was Phil who explained it, one of the reasons for spamming like this is google counts links and this type of spamming raises their rank in googles search return. Would have to ask him..he explained it pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 @KarenMichelle. These are NOT our forums and LL does NOT host them as such. The forum belongs to LL. @Drake. The spammers won't stop spamming this forum because there are no click-throughs from it. It's very similar to the brute force email spammers who send emails to thousands of <names>@<domain>.<tld>. They keep on sending them to the domans they have regardless of whether or not there is any fruit from a domain. I know this because i keep getting them to made-up emails addresses @ my websites, and I never click through. They just send to what they've got regardless. And the forum spammers will no doubt do the same. I think it is highly unlikely that they keep any records of what forums produced what click-throughs. They are not particularly interested in click-throughs, although they would welcome them if they got any. They are only likely to have a record of what forums they can actually spam in. @Maddy. The likelihood of LL getting money for impressions is remote. LL don't sell ad space to the advertisers. They are in what I call an 'ad centre' system and they'll get money from either click-throughs or from sales/sign-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake1 Nightfire Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 With the coders they have on staff would it be so hard to make their own version of captcha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I did explain it not too long ago, Perrie. But whilst we're here, I'll explain it in a bit more detail - because I've nothing better to do at the moment Links to webpages are hugely important for higher rankings in Google and, since the other major engines basically copied Google, in those too. This is how Google deals with links - it's why they are hugely important.. (I've written all this before when I've been explaining how the search engine that LL used (GSA - Google Search Appliance) works). Google maintains 2 databases of words that are retrieved from the webpages that it crawls. There's a small one and a big one. The small one contains words that were found in page Titles and in the clickable text of links that point to the pages. That link text is attributed to the pages that they links to. The large database contains the rest of the words on the pages. When Google receives a search query, it first looks in the small database (Titles and link text) for matches. If it can get enough matches (~40,000) from there it doesn't even look in the large database, so, for many search queries, the large database is never used - that's the one that contains the actual page content. It's not the number of links that matters. The Inktomi engine did that before Google ever surfaced. It's the words in the link text that matters for matching a searchterm in the small database. Also that small database contains the words from only one Title per page, but it contains the link text words from many external links that point to the page - making link text THE most important ranking factor. With competitive searchterms (that's when a good number of websites are actively competing for rankings), the likelihood of Google needing to dip into the large database (page content) is very small, so only page Titles and link text count for getting into the results. That's why link spammers place their links anywhere they can, and forums are prime targets for that. How do I know all this? While the Google creators were busy creating the engine as a part of their university course work, they published the details of it, and those details are still online. Obviously the engine has been developed, tweaked and improved, since then but it's reasonable to assume that the basic system is still the same. Google wasn't the first engine to incorporate links into ranking evaluations but they were the first to treat links as being so very important - just about basing the engine on links - and that double database idea was what they created to make links matter so much during query servicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Drake1 Nightfire wrote: With the coders they have on staff would it be so hard to make their own version of captcha? They don't need to make their own system. There are CAPTCHA systems out there that will cut the spam down a lot but LL isn't really interested in this forum. That reminds me of something I meant to write to you but forgot. If all forum users boycotted the forum for a period of time, I think that LL would welcome it, and say to themselves, "They don't want the forum any more" - and close it. Over the years, LL has shown that they are not interested in having the forum and I'm sure they'd welcome an excuse to close it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: Drake1 Nightfire wrote: With the coders they have on staff would it be so hard to make their own version of captcha? They don't need to make their own system. There are CAPTCHA systems out there that will cut the spam down a lot but LL isn't really interested in this forum. That reminds me of something I meant to write to you but forgot. If all forum users boycotted the forum for a period of time, I think that LL would welcome it, and say to themselves, "They don't want the forum any more" - and close it. Over the years, LL has shown that they are not interested in having the forum and I'm sure they'd welcome an excuse to close it completely. Yep. I've no idea why the forums are still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrie Juran Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Madelaine McMasters wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: Drake1 Nightfire wrote: With the coders they have on staff would it be so hard to make their own version of captcha? They don't need to make their own system. There are CAPTCHA systems out there that will cut the spam down a lot but LL isn't really interested in this forum. That reminds me of something I meant to write to you but forgot. If all forum users boycotted the forum for a period of time, I think that LL would welcome it, and say to themselves, "They don't want the forum any more" - and close it. Over the years, LL has shown that they are not interested in having the forum and I'm sure they'd welcome an excuse to close it completely. Yep. I've no idea why the forums are still here. Because then they'd actually have to hire and train staff to answer questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madelaine McMasters Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Perrie Juran wrote: Madelaine McMasters wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: Drake1 Nightfire wrote: With the coders they have on staff would it be so hard to make their own version of captcha? They don't need to make their own system. There are CAPTCHA systems out there that will cut the spam down a lot but LL isn't really interested in this forum. That reminds me of something I meant to write to you but forgot. If all forum users boycotted the forum for a period of time, I think that LL would welcome it, and say to themselves, "They don't want the forum any more" - and close it. Over the years, LL has shown that they are not interested in having the forum and I'm sure they'd welcome an excuse to close it completely. Yep. I've no idea why the forums are still here. Because then they'd actually have to hire and train staff to answer questions. Step back ten paces, look at the forums and tell me if they give you a positive or negative vibe about LL? ETA: Yeah, I know we're probably not the best people to answer this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake1 Nightfire Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Madelaine McMasters wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: Madelaine McMasters wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: Drake1 Nightfire wrote: With the coders they have on staff would it be so hard to make their own version of captcha? They don't need to make their own system. There are CAPTCHA systems out there that will cut the spam down a lot but LL isn't really interested in this forum. That reminds me of something I meant to write to you but forgot. If all forum users boycotted the forum for a period of time, I think that LL would welcome it, and say to themselves, "They don't want the forum any more" - and close it. Over the years, LL has shown that they are not interested in having the forum and I'm sure they'd welcome an excuse to close it completely. Yep. I've no idea why the forums are still here. Because then they'd actually have to hire and train staff to answer questions. Step back ten paces, look at the forums and tell me if they give you a positive or negative vibe about LL? ETA: Yeah, I know we're probably not the best people to answer this question. When was the last time a Linden actually participated in the forums? aside from monty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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