Theresa Tennyson

Vivienne Schell wrote: "Well, it has already been pointed out why 100% backward compatibility is not possible at all" I cannot see the word "impossible" in any of the official Linden postings. All they said so far is that they will not restrict themselves by thoughts on backwards compatibility at THIS POINT. And the number was not "impossible", but "not 100 %". They should waste no further time and move the numbers to a point of customer acceptance now, my suggestion is 97 percent, or better 96.9 (Sells better). Their talent for self-creating cutting crisis is as astonishing as their talent for managing the crisis. Exciting to watch! The Sims series from Maxis/EA is probably the most successful long-running computer game series in history. In the years since Second Life started, Maxis/EA have completely rebuilt the game engine twice with a third rebuild due at the beginning of September. Each new generation has zero percent compatibility with the previous one and many people spend hundreds of dollars on all the expansions for each generation, only to have their content and worlds not be portable to the next generation. Each new generation is announced more than a year before it's released and in the interim they release new expansions for the old series, but these lame-duck expansions still sell. I imagine that the big reason is the world of The Sims is built on creating and storytelling, and not having things. Once you "have" everything you can, it quickly gets boring With each generation there are better ways to create things and tell stories, and that's what drives the users to shell out their money. I recently bought a new car for my avatar. I know it won't be compatible for the new world, but it's fun now and I can see having even more fun driving in a new world where I won't find myself unseated at an invisible seam in the world, spun around in the air for a minute and then, after finally manage to claw myself back to virtual earth, be hit from behind by my own unoccupied self-driving car like what just happened to me this morning. The fact that I won't be driving the exact same car doesn't really mean much to me, nor does the fact that I'll have to pay somebody else a few dollars for a new car some time in the future.

Do you use a mesh avatar like a Toddleedoo or Wowmeh body and keep the HUD attached? Some HUD's can contain so many texture files that they use up most of your available video memory and the rest of the world will blur like you're seeing. If this is the problem you can fix it by detaching the HUD and only using it when you need to change your skin or any clothing loaded into it.

AnnabelleRaye wrote: Does RLV work in Lindon homes, my collar, and none of my Rlv devices work. Pose balls seem okay, In my LIndon home my mistress can not grab my collar, I am not able to lock this beautiful cage I bought. am i doing some thing wrong? we know they work, we sent from sandbox directly tho home with out changing a setting Check to make sure the lot allows scripts to be run by others - you can always run your own scripts on your land but if the land is set to "No Scripts" then others can't use them. I think Linden homes default to "No Scripts."

WickedWanda1956 wrote: And that is what I am exactly worried about as a consumer. If enough creators/designers think like you (and I think you are right), Second Life will turn into a VIRTUAL WASTELAND. It is people like you and Cats and the others in this thread, that people like me come to Second Life (not because of Linden Labs). You provide the imagination, Linden provides the environment. And I am sorry but Ebbe's pronouncement is why Cats saw the decline in sales. On that point, I will not waver. The only point to ponder is whether it is temporay or permanent and you are right, that discussion needs to go in the other thread (although how the other thread descended into a discussion on kiddie porn, I have no idea). I've actually started going on a bit of a buying binge. My thinking is if there's something I want to do in Second LIfe I might as well do it now. I just bought a new car for my avatar - it's an older car and I know it will never successfully transition to a new grid. So? It's a good car HERE, NOW. It was hand-made by creator who I know does good work and hasn't ended up on my personal blacklist for being annoying on the forums (that I know of; there may be a reason I end up buying alot from Japanese creators besides their often being awesome.) As far as generational thinking goes, I came of age during the 1980's (as my avatar whines, "Maaahhhmmm!!! You're EMBARASSING me!") Right now I work with a lot of younger people and I explain to them that we acted the way we did in the '80's because we all thought we'd be dead by now. Songs said things like: Everybody's got a bomb; we could all die any day,; but before I let that happen gonna dance my life away Nothing's permanent - everything's on loan here. Even your wife and kids could be gone next year. And they were talking about real life. And what's more, it was true - and still is. And spending a few dollars for an imaginary car I might not be able to use in a couple years? Cheaper and safer than cocaine and sex with strangers. So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999 - I explain to my young friends that for my generation we're already in the bonus round.

Perrie Juran wrote: I think the problem here is in understanding what is meant by "Exploits" when they are mentioned in the Wiki. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Security_issues Exploits refer to "holes in the code" that allow people to accomplish one or more of the four listed problems. For example, there is a setting in Land to prohibit 'object entry.' If you found a way using LSL functions to bypass that, then that would be an "exploit." (I saw that happen with a particular griefer attack. LL had scripts shut down on my SIM while they cleaned up that mess). The above is just my opinion but I think I'm correct. Did you try contacting Soft about this? And yes, I'm aware we could get off into a hole side discussion about why they don't clarify this. And if they paid L$10,000 for notifying them about images with malicious data, what would prevent someone from putting up one of these images themselves and then notifying the lab about it to collect the reward?

DesperadoReprise wrote: Drake1 Nightfire wrote: It most certainly is not allowed in the USA. "In the United States, the PROTECT Act of 2003 made significant changes to the law regarding virtual child pornography. Any realistic appearing computer generated depiction that is indistinguishable from a depiction of an actual minor in sexual situations or engaging in sexual acts is illegal under 18 U.S.C. § 2252A. Drawings, cartoons, sculptures, and paintings of minors in sexual situations that do not pass the Miller test were made illegal under 18 U.S.C. § 1466A." Yeah, right, and SL has crossed the uncanny valley so avatars are "indistinguishable". Get real, Drake. Or rather, don't. "don't you wonder why?" U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 71 › § 1466A 18 U.S. Code § 1466A - Obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children Current through Pub. L. 113-108. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.) US Code Notes Updates prev | next (a) In General.— Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that— (1) (A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and (B) is obscene; or (2) (A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, **bleep**-genital, or oral-**bleep**, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and (B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; or attempts or conspires to do so, shall be subject to the penalties provided in section 2252A (b)(1), including the penalties provided for cases involving a prior conviction.

Vivienne, as it happens I have been renting a property based on one of your skyboxes since late 2010. In that time my landlord has replaced it with heavily updated versions that you've issued twice so far, so apparently you feel your creations become outdated in about two years already. So what's the big difference about the idea that there will be a new platform for Second Life coming in two years that will make your current products outdated? Isn't that happening already, judging from your own workflow?

It looks like you've rezzed something that releases temporary objects from time to time - I have a firefly rezzer that does this. It sounds like the rezzer is attempting to rezz some of the objects over land that you don't have rezz rights on. If there IS an object like this that you own you should be able to move it or change settings to stop th emessages.

Stand in your house, go to the "World" menu and select "About Land." The box that pops up should have an "Abandon Land" button.

Gavin Hird wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: Gavin Hird wrote: According to the law you cannot give away your IP rights in the form of a TOS. The TOS can in many ways be seen as a one way declaration which makes it void. Until that is upheld specifically dealing with SL by a European Court that amounts to nothing more or less than personal opinion about how the law applies. You could be right. Myself, I don't know but so far everything I've read it has looked like misapplication of the law to me. Gavin Hird wrote: EDIT: and also privacy rights and others – one of the reasons Europeans balked big time over the Adult verification backle. I remember the flap also. When you use SL at any level, you are doing business with LL. The TOS is a business agreement. No Court would force LL to allow any one to use SL without the agreement. Nor would a Court force anyone to do business with someone that they can't verify the identification of? The only reason why it cannot be upheld (and you are right about that), is because LL does not have a subsidiary inside the EU or in my country. The minute they had a subsidiary inside the EU they would have to bring their TOS in compliance with EU legislation (and it is not) just like all US companies must do. If they in addition had a subsidiary in my country, they would have to bring the TOS in compliance with that legislation which is even more restrictive in certain respects and thus a superset of the EU legislation. However, if you as a developer had to enter into an additional contract, like you do when you sign up to Apple's developer group for distribution of your creations in the app store, then it is possible to have such wording in the contract. This would be regarded as a B2B relation and not a B2C relation. No creator in their right minds would casually sign away such rights... Here a portion of the end-user license for Eve Online, incorporated in Iceland (and considered by one forum poster as the a model for MMO conduct:) " B. Rights to Certain Content You have no interest in the value of your time spent playing the Game, for example, by the building up of the experience level of your character and the items your character accumulates during your time playing the Game. Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP, including any and all copyrights and intellectual property rights in or to any and all of the same, all of which are hereby expressly reserved. Without limiting its rights in any way, and subject to the other terms of the EULA, CCP shall have the right to display and publish any information (except certain personal information in your Account) relating to any character in your Account, for example, in charts, lists and other compilations, without notice or any compensation to you whatsoever. You hereby irrevocably and without additional consideration beyond the rights granted to you herein, assign to CCP any and all right, title and interest you have, including copyrights, in or to any and all information you exchange, transmit or upload to the System or while playing the Game, including without limitation all files, data and information comprising or manifesting corporations, groups, titles, characters and other attributes of your Account, together with all objects and items acquired or developed by, or delivered by or to characters, in your Account. To the extent that any such rights are not assignable, you hereby grant CCP an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, assignable, royalty-free license, fully sub-licensable through multiple tiers, to exercise all intellectual property and other rights, in and to all or any part of such information, in any medium now known or hereafter developed. The foregoing assignment and license in this paragraph shall not include User Content (defined below). C. User Content The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content"). User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child pornographic or harmful to minors; or (iv) contain any viruses, Trojan horses, disabling code, worms, time bombs, "clear GIFs," cancelbots or other computer programming or routines that are intended to, or which in fact, damage, detrimentally interfere with, monitor, intercept or expropriate any data, information, packets or personal information. CCP may take any action it deems appropriate regarding any User Content, if CCP believes, in its sole discretion, that such User Content violates the EULA or may expose CCP, its licensors and/or its suppliers to liability, damage CCP's relationship with any of its suppliers, licensors, ISPs or other users of EVE, harm anyone or harm CCP's reputation or goodwill. You hereby grant CCP an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide, irrevocable, assignable, royalty-free license, fully sub-licensable through multiple tiers, to exercise all intellectual property and other rights, in and to all or any part of your User Content, in any medium now known or hereafter developed. Violation of CCP's proprietary rights is a material breach of the EULA, in the event of which CCP may suspend your Account, terminate the EULA and take whatever additional action CCP deems appropriate under the circumstance. The foregoing is without prejudice to or waiver of any and all of CCP's other rights and remedies, all of which are expressly reserved, survive termination, and are cumulative."

WickedWanda1956 wrote: I won't comment on your first and third points as I am neither a creator or land owner; however, I will comment on your second point. I STRONLY disagree with your second point. Anything you buy now is wasted money. I simply don't understand why the concept to get something new each year is so important. Maybe I am an old goat but I honestly and sincerly don't understand this concept. New does not mean better and I simply have to point to Microsoft operating systems to give an example that most of us can actually agree on. Did anyone like Vista over XP? If you're interested in permanance ANYTHING you "buy" in ANY virtual world, EVER, is a waste of money. People talk about their "investment" in their Second Life inventories - seriously? An imaginary house on somebody else's computer is an "investment"? Awesome toy, yes, but investment? Warren Buffetts they ain't. You can go to another grid. But I've got news for you - whether you lose your "possessions" because the provider changes things or because the founder says, "Sorry guys, but I can't pay the bills anymore - let's hold virtual hands and sing "Kumbaya" one more time before the guy comes to turn off the power," they're equally gone.

Pamela Galli wrote: Vince Rallier wrote: I don't know if youre familiar with the Everquest mmorpg's? Well SOE decided to make EQ2,Everquest was trying to keep up with World of Warcraft that had been out maybe 6 months at the time.So they made this big new shiny upgraded version of Everquest,which by the way,you had to have an upper tier computer to be able to run it at that time. But my point to this is that when they announced this new shiny,it immediately splintered the community,when eq2 was released you had 2 EQ's the original and the super new one.So they ended up with 2 games with not a whole lotta people in either one. Exactly! How does anyone see any alternative to this? Seriously? I would like to be in denial about it but cant figure out how. This is why the assurance from Ebbe that SL will be around for "years and years" is alarming. And that's not even counting my anxiety about how I am going to run two businesses for "years and years" when I barely have time to run the one I have. (I am old school and actually MAKE the stuff I sell, and actually do prompt customer service.) I am not a "hater", I just would like to know this is being addressed, and so far I have not heard a word. With a roleplaying game you'll logically always be in one role and living in one "world", so nobody was going to be on BOTH versions of Everquest. With an unstructured virtual world there's no reason why somebody couldn't be on multiple platforms doing different things in each one - there's no reason to have to "choose." If Linden Lab owns both platforms there's also no reason for two different administrative structures. Both worlds could also easily run on the same type of computer and networking hardware. Actually the Lab already runs two different "worlds" - the main grid and the beta grid. Theresa Tennyson exists in both worlds. (Interestingly enough, she looks quite different in the two worlds because Beta Theresa is actually a character in Main-Grid Theresa's dream, specifically her grandmother reimagined as a sort of action-movie heroine. Yes, I tend to overthink things.) The Beta grid is frequently running different software from the main grid.

WickedWanda1956 wrote: Vinten, speaking from RL experience, never argue with sheep. Your blood pressure will thank you for it. If you are talking about Chung Estates, I am one of those 42. I was going to look at Inworldz especially since that is where the Virtual Attire creator is going to set up her new shop since she left Second Life yesterday. Arguing with goats is equally futile.

Callum Meriman wrote: Innula Zenovka wrote: Callum Meriman wrote: irihapeti wrote: maaan !!! and I am that one gets called crazy person sometimes. jejejjejeje (: huehuehue, so funny. Consider this: With this brave new world that on Day 1, when the switch is flipped and the world's press enters cameras at the ready, Why on earth do you think "the world's press" is likely to find the launch of SL2 of any particular interest? Strikes me it would have to be a pretty slow news day. As I said, I hope I am wrong and you and the others are correct. I hope that LL will allow kids roleplayers to inhabit their new world and freely move around. To be fully accepted. After all, I do roleplay as a kid and have a rather large inventory of Loki's wonderful mesh creations over all my alts. I also in the same breath hope that LL will allow the very different subcultures of Gor, BDSM, Dolcett, Rape & Capture, and other such forms of adult activity. I do this as I actually believe in freedom. True freedom of expression and self in the virtual space is crucial in my eyes to it's take up as anything more than just a time-filling game. But to hide from the fact that such a reboot is a perfect time to "sweep out the cobwebs" and sanitise the environment so that school kids on their iPhones can play it during recess, seems to me to be hiding from a path that is very possible. So, I raise the point: ebbe Linden can say to Loki - who is one of the three leading content creators in kid roleplay - that he can't wait to look at what Loki makes in SL... and I can raise the point that once he looks and sees what will his thoughts be? That kid roleplayers are harmless and innocuous (the truth I see) and very much welcome in SL and SLv2 or that kid roleplayers are sexual deviants (the truth of a vocal group of people in SL and these forums) who, along with Gor, Rape, Furries and Dolcett, pose a risk to the monetisation strategies of the lab? Some of the comments I see make me want to yell, "Babs, there IS NO FARMER!" We're used to the idea of one grid for all of Second Life but if the basic structure is revisited there's absolutely no reason why it couldn't be organized in parallel universes with different attributes - perhaps one where kids can run around in freedom and one where adults can do absolutely every sexual act the can imagine in public, advertised to different RL communities, and any given account can access either one or the other depending on their interests, knowing/caring nothing about the other. If someone's interested in both (or the other 18 parallel universes) and willing to behave appropriately the account can be set up so they can go from world to world whenever they like as easily more easily than you can go from one region to another in the current setup.

Callum Meriman wrote: Let me put it this way... We have normal residents who, now they know that SL's inventory can't be taken over and who will become increasingly aware that any money spent is 100% wasted, they, like me will reduce and stop buying. We have content creators who, to get to sell in the new world will need to rebuild everything. Years of work lost. We have TPV devs and patch submitters who now know that the anything they put into their TPVs or even right back to snowglobe could be used closed sourced. This is ethically wrong. Submissions made in the spirit of GPL and LGPL in which copyright was granted in good faith being used by the lab with a loss of opensource. Does that make sense to you now? LL has already burnt 2 sets of users, the TPV developers, a group of people LL have used for almost a decade to enhance their viewer, now look to be the third, UNLESS the lab are 100% sure not to ethically violate the GPL that I and others considered would remain in force. Let's see here - what you're saying is that the new platform will be simultaneously so different from the current Second Life that no content can be brought over, and then so similar that massive amounts of viewer code submitted by third parties for the current world will have to be re-used. No, that does not make sense to me.

Ebbe Linden wrote: Wow, you are an angry person. Ok, so, why are you so angry? He's not angry - he's trying to make other people angry, especially you. Known quantity. Ignore him.

Vinten wrote: No Phil I totally disagree with you. That is your viewpoint as I am exercising my right to express mine without judging anyone else. At no point did LL ever say my content was to be deleted otherwise I would not have purchased it. They cleverly changed the TOS as while back stating that we agree that our content is thir property and now we know why. They knew they was doing this and covered themselves legally. It might all be legit in law what they are doing but problem is, the majority don't like it as you can see through reactions in here. Purchased content is just that, it belongs tot he buyer, digital or material. I purchased the bulk end of my stuff prior to being forced to sign a new toss before I could log in and access my assets again. Okay, then here's one of the things you actually "bought" and sorry for the inconvenience: 1a67-5565-3b64-005c-3567 Well, not exactly that, but what you "bought" in real life terms was actually a UUID number referring to a bunch of other UUID numbers which eventually get reduced to a whole lot of 1's and 0's. When you're connected to Second Life they create the illusion of an object. Not connected to Second Life? Useless as teats on a boar hog.

If you're referring to the thing you're wearing that's CALLED "hair" (as opposed to a thing that actually looks like hair), you can't remove it or any "hair." The default hair object is one of the required parts of an avatar. You can substitute another hairbase for it but you always have to wear one.

Voodoo Schnyder wrote: Hello merchants. Perhaps it's just me inspired by recently learning history and culture of arts at college but I think there should be a movement to promote original designs, by us as content creators/artists. I know internet doesn't take kindly to new ideas, but here are my thoughts. The market place is filled with either badly designed stuff or game rips, the later being the most frowned upon back when mesh was implemented, but I see it now being dealt with an upsetting normality. There should be a vanguardist movement to promote and link all stores that use a level of quality and time spent into their designs, those that do not download templates and assets from DAZ; turbosquid, or other online stores and then just click and import to Second Life. Just my rough mind sketch. Sounds like this group: http://slocca.org/

SaorlaLhilaeloss wrote: I keep hearing about the LL new platform being built and that there will be no more third party viewers allowed. This really really bothers me, as I use firestorm and don't like the LL viewers. So now am I going to be cut off from Second Life? Theresa Tennyson shoots an icy glare at a certain TPV developer for her melodramatic message of the day. There is a completely separate new Second Life version in development. It won't be running full scale for years, literally. When the new system starts up the current world will continue in parallel for as long as it remains profitable. Third party viewers will still work on the world that we currently know. It's too soon in the development of the new world to even know if there will BE such a thing as a "viewer" (for instance, Cloud Party worked without a separate viewer.)

You can only export things that you are the creator of - you can't export something someone else created even if you have full permissions on it. Shapes work somewhat differently because they're just a set of slider values.

Pamela Galli wrote: LaskyaClaren wrote: Domitan Redenblack wrote: COBY, you are saying: Linden Labs also has the right to go out of business and lay off all workers, and wreck the investment of the owners. This is "typical LL thinking" about customers. "It's our ball, so burn your shoes and outfits and property, OR just go away". The 3 Stooges of corporate management? Really? Don't you think Linden really understands that losing customers is 100x easier than getting them? In fairness, LL has, intentionally or not, let the cat out of the bag. You now have pretty fair warning that, two years down the road at the latest, Second Life will become something of a lame duck. You have, in other words, lots of time to respond: this wasn't sprung on us at the last possible moment. For some, SL became a lame duck as soon as this announcement was made. And the effect will snowball -- unless LL comes up with some kind of reassurance, and fast. Electronic Arts/Maxis announces new releases of The Sims series (each release completely incompatible with the previous one) long in advance of their actual release, and in fact they generally release $40 expansions for the current release (which won't be usable at all for the new release) AFTER the announcement. And people buy them anyway, because they feel like playing with them for the time being, and they know the new release won't be full-featured for some time. Right now you're in a panic because you're afraid a huge group of people currently willing to pay a few dollars for an imaginary sofa will suddenly decide not to because they may only be able to use it for a couple of years instead of -- whatever the lifecycle of an imaginary sofa IS; I'm not sure if there have been any tests done in that area.

DesperadoReprise wrote: Ebbe Linden wrote: Thanks. So FB/Oculus came out and said they are going to do a VW for a billoin people. I did not hear a peep from anyone here. How compatibale will that world be? When will all users run over to that one? Should I invest in SL now that they are donig that...etc. May I suggest that you at least use the built-in spell-checker before hitting post. Leaving errors like these in posts makes you appear a foolish foreign ESLer to some, an arrogantly lazy inconsiderate supremacist to others, or even that you are extremely rattled by the widespread opposition that yet another PR faux pas has generated. "All you bloodthirsty bystanders will you try to find your seats" Given up on England in the World Cup already then?

Drake1 Nightfire wrote: Ebbe Linden wrote: So you think SL can continue forever and still be competitive enought to matter in the future? We are going to do our best to make it smooth, but if we have to make a crappy product with crazy complexity and poor user experience to preserve some very specific content compatability we don't want to cause those problems. A lot of what you have will be possible to move across and more specifics will come through over time. Competitive enough with whom? Please name any competition to SL. Anything even close to the number of users. Anything that allows the ability to create like SL does. Anyone else hear crickets? Topeka, Kansas. Actually the average concurrency of Topeka is double the average concurrency of Second Life. Have you been to Topeka?

Phoebe Avro wrote: So no Private regions is a good idea ? I am not interested in mainland i never go there I don't see why you couldn't have your own "region" that was the size of an entire Second Life continent with a reworked concept of the way the physics worked. The idea of one "grid" divided up into "regions" isn't necessarily the only way of doing things - there could be multiple grids worlds, all of them comparatively seamless. One of the things Ebbe Linden mentioned right after he was hired was the idea that Second Life (the idea, not necessarily the existing "grid") could be marketed as multiple different brands for different interests.