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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    2 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:

    I would seriously advise against that kind of thinking. I can tell you EXACTLY where that path leads, and you won't like it.

     

    A Rated Sim Admin: "Excuse me, under the new ToS, AR Clickbait avatars are banned from A rated regions, because this is a new thing, I'm being generous and warning you, instead of filing an AR, and puntiing you."

    AR Clickbait: "Nonononononono I haz furry ear n tail, I not AR Clickbait, I iz Furry! ToS not apply 2 meh, EXEMPT!"

    Admin: "The defendant pleads VERY GUILTY INDEED, Automatic AR, automatic Puntkick, Automatic BAN, automatic circulate display name, login name and UUID to admins on other A rated regions as a KNOWN anti-adult-activities griefer walking ToS violation AR clickbait, for pre-emptive banning on other A rated regions!"

    Admin: *breaks foot off in the AR Clickbait's ass*

     

    The AR Clickbait collects a string of AR's, LL BAN their tiny FAKE0-FUR ass from SL.

    Game Over.

    LOL yeah, I'm pretty sure if you try to rob a bank and have Groucho Marx glasses with the nose on it and smoke a cigar that people can still see who you are underneath. You'd still go to jail for robbing a bank.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    7 minutes ago, Denim Robonaught said:

    I've been SL Married for 11 years, and over time I've had several kids, both adult and little, so yes I consider these people my family with a closer connection then i have with my friends, employees and strangers. And yes we even have fights and makeups like a real couple. So why would everything need to be roleplayed? And you are the one turning an innocent event that happened long ago btw into something questionable.

    Do you know what RP is?  It might be a misunderstanding of the definition. 

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

    The modesty panel imo is for those adults who seem to like camming up the skirts of the girls they meet but it is a ridiculous thought that it is going to stop the pervs from getting excited because there are other areas they can use for which one would need a facemask or a burka.

    Ok let's say that's the reason.  Why do you have to have a modesty panel on the top. The adult can't upskirt your top. 

    Why require a modesty panel that can't be removed when you simply can ask the Child avatar to wear BOM panties and bra/tshirt or alpha out the bits?

    I'll save you time and tell you why. It's because the pervy child avatars are giving otherwise law abiding child avatars a bad name by removing their clothes.

    You're welcome.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    14 minutes ago, Denim Robonaught said:

    Who says it's RP? We're just having fun

    BTW, you are not doing the Child avi community any favors. You are actually hurting it with these insane comments. If you are trying to be funny, which I hope you are or at least being sarcastic, it just isn't funny.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    3 minutes ago, Denim Robonaught said:

    My kid is just a kid, an i'm a caring mother. We each have our feelings, and we each care for each other, and crazy stuff happens in our house. you just don't (always) RP such things. people also don't get that you don't neceserally RP being a kid or being a mom in SL. Only the pervs do.

    Ok Imma stop reading and responding to what you say because it weird to associate as a family and not call it RP.  What exactly do you think it is? Reality?

    I beg to differ that only pervs RP being a kid or parent.  

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    2 minutes ago, brodiac90 said:

    I don't think you can equate a begger and a pedo talking suggestively to a child avatar. In my experience.... I just froze. My brain literally couldn't deal with the shock of what was happening. It probably has to do with my own childhood. One moment I was minding my own business, the next I was recieving this onslaught of .... I can't even describe it. Eventually my brain rebooted and I blocked and AR'ed them but it wasn't wasy peasy like you describe. 

    I get that, however  *and you won't like what I have to say. You can tell within 2 seconds of reading whether or not that IM is explicit in nature. Just minimize the chat because you are going to have to AR it,  until you feel like you can open it and go to their profile and block them

    Also you can block people except friends from IMing you. That doesn't restrict you from talking in local to people. I actually have this turned on because I'm sick of random IM's from people I don't know.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said:

    Well that is not my experience. I've never IM'ed an adult for slexie but been IM approached many times by adults interested in having me sit on their knee to talk about the first thing that pops up.

    I attend a couple clubs where there are others (mid to late teen look) who create and dress avatars like myself and we chat, compliment each other on outfits and looks and get tips and tricks from each other. There is older adults that are allowed access there and some IM for the same reasons. Some however, pop in for more then chat.

    Interestingly to me, I've only been canvassed one or twice by others who look and dress like I do but many times by the older ones you claim are so innocent.

    Why do you think they are requiring a modesty panel for Child avi's when most Child avi's do nothing wrong and would never think to expose themselves or be naked. 

     @Arielle Popstar you know darn well that child avatars run ram ant in opensim soliciting this very thing.  If you don't then you must not have explored many of the grids out there. It's very prevalent there.

    Response to @Denim Robonaught

    As far as baths go or running around naked at home? You don't have to RP every single thing a child does. You can still have a bath and wear a bathing suit. It's RP where everything is made up.  Pretend they are naked taking a bath. Would you be willing to forgo that particular type of RP if LL changed it so the modesty panel doesn't break you clothing and accessories? If it's just a skin all that is is a BOM covering. It doesn't make your items unable to be used.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    Just now, Denim Robonaught said:

    Over the years my kids were approached four times by adults, Most of them were ARed. Stranger Danger exists, even in SL.

    Ok fair enough point. So we can safely say it happens with both?

    How do you handle someone that come into a group or IM's on a shopping sim begging for that 100L they promise to pay back tomorrow? The way I handle it is not acknowledge them, and block them immediately before they can even ask twice or explain why they need it.  It's not that hard.

    I'll stick with LL having to figure out the modesty layer so that Child avi's lose as little as possible.  

    Otherwise I agree with the rest of the changes.

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    7 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

    In a previous post I pointed out that possibly this has all gone down not for legal reasons, though they can be justified perhaps, but to hide younger avatars from certain people who have a temptation towards them. I compared it to the alcoholic hiding the booze in an attempt to quit though that never or rarely works.

    Adult avatars are NOT the ones that are mainly soliciting ***p**y. It's the Child avatars. Imagine how many child avatars an adult avi needs to IM to find one that is into that. I imagine a long time. Child avatars know where to seek the adult where that is their knk.

    and yes! I know most Child Avatars are not doing this. Please don't quote me and say that.

    Unfortunately, I fear that in time, the ones causing all the trouble will simply do it on M or G rated land and the cycle continues.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    To dismiss a group of people that have been wearing and BOUGHT skins for years along with clothing and accessories is ridiculous.

    Imagine if all of a sudden LL said you can't use the Maitreya or Lara X body anymore. I guarantee you that thread would have  200 pages in a day,  not over a four day period of time.

    Ok so they are trying to prevent pervs from being able to strip down to a naked body. I do get it BUT there has got to be a better solution out there for that. I'll admit I do not know what it is but it's not what they have proposed. A simple BOM layer doesn't work as the pervs can still take it off.  Yes there are SO many ways to get around it but I'm not going to spell it all out here.

    This would be the only change that I have a problem with because it involves real money people have spent.

    Believe it or not I do have a child avatar that I sometimes took out to interact. I haven't spent A LOT of money on it but it is a Zooby avatar so the whole account needs to now be trashed as that was the only body I had on that account.  I am a bit sad that I no longer can use her because she used to be fun to go to a G or PG club once in awhile and RP her. Normally I would also log in my adult avatar and run them both. I never actually interacted with any avatars on that avatar except in local chat.

    The other changes I think are needed but this modesty panel? wooo wheee, they have to rethink that one.

    I do not have the solution. I hope LL comes up with a better one that they have proposed.

    The only thing I have come up with, and I admit it's not a great idea by any means,  is if you want to play a child avatar then you purchase a subscription similar to PLUS that allows you to have a child avatar.  Make it so you need to use a payment method that links back to your real life, not a throw away gift card or anything like that. Perhaps a debit from your Bank account.  I doubt many ***players will be willing to do that but if they are and get caught at least there are RL legal ramifications that can be taken.

    When it involves Real life money I believe LL has a responsibility to come up with a solution that drastically limits the loss of inventory that the RL adult purchased at a time when it was legal to purchase said items.

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    5 minutes ago, Lucia Nightfire said:

    I got my answer on the second comment. I don't have much time to devote to the novel this thread has turned into. I think I was last on page 33? I'll finish it when the thread gets locked after LL has decided that they've got all the useful intel they think they're gonna get. I'm mostly interested in questions from creators and answers from Lindens. I wish there was a way to only go to those pages.

    I haven't seen ONE post by a creator of body's or skins questioning anything...like what a modesty panel should look like. I still find that odd. Probably a good thing or they would get piled on.

    I'm still thinking they got some sort of separate communication about it. 

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    10 minutes ago, Ceka Cianci said:

    They're waiting a little bit more, then they'll more than likely lock it and gather what they can out of it.

    The only reason it's not locked yet  is because they are letting it stay open for now to get as much feedback as they can..

    It's went  around and around more than a few times, but they must think  with each loop there is something in there.. hehehe

    I know I'm getting dizzy.. hehehe

     

    I just figured that if they shut down this thread people will go other places to voice their frustration. Might as well keep it in a tiny box. :)

    I just hope people don't get comfortable with the lack of moderation in the thread.  Especially the newcomers that inevitably will remain after this has been resolved. 

    They've obviously been told to leave it alone. More than half the posts here would have either gotten removed or the thread locked if this was any other thread.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    13 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

    What I find funny about this.  About 200 pages back the adult avatars where puzzled why we were fighting for the right to run naked on moderate land.  When we were doing no such thing.    Now they are griping because we don't want them running naked on moderate land.    When the question was brought up we might ask them to give up that "right",  you can taste the indignity in the air.  

    We are not pretending to be children. We will fight for the right to be naked, as adults, ON A ADULT PLATFORM!

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    56 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said:

    You make up a lot of different outfits, try a younger look and go to a few clubs to see the reaction you get after immersing yourself in an actual younger role. May take a few times to understand but then at least you'll have a better idea and won't be leaving these confused reactions on my posts.

    Really goes for the lot of you who think you know and really show you haven't a clue.

    How young do you want me to look?  I'm game.

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    2 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

    Well maybe you should lose that right since some of us have lost the "right" to go to adult land.  Not that it was a smart or desirable right to exercise but before the tos change we did have that right.  

    You haven't lost the "right" to anything. Just look different.  I mean if I went into an adoption agency wearing a tiny string bikini I'm pretty sure I'd be told to go change. In FACT there is an adoption agency that if you have ANYTHING adult in your profile you can't even go there and risk getting banned from that region. How is THAT fair?

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    Just now, brodiac90 said:

    I would help you, you might be surprised at how hard things can be. 

    It's as hard as changing into another avatar when you want to access content unable to be accessed by a child avatar. No one is taking anything away from you. They are just taking it away from a persona that isn't REAL. You can still access anything including A rated land.  You just have to look different.

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    2 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

    Actually no, there is no slippery slope at all.  You have an entire content to run and be naked on.  I will remind you that some us are having to choose between being able to represent ourselves in a manner we choose too and having a great deal of the grid cut off from us.   Lots of us are choosing to lose that part of the grid so we can keep our in-world personas.  

    I would also remind you that a great deal of us are paying good money to lose this access too.

    An honestly, I don't see why the lab need to have any moderated regions at all.   All land supported by the lab should be G with the exception of Zendra which is a special case.   The Blake, roads on the continents, regions on the continents should be G rated.  If you buy a whole region or set up a private sim then you can set it to M if you want too.  

    All YOUR choices. If you don't like them then RP the situations where you can and give up the ones you can't.

    The ONLY thing that is a shame is that LL is requiring a change that will break or make unusable a lot of content a paying customer has already spent money on. THAT I hope they reevaluate and realize they need a better solution.

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