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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Daniel Regenbogen said:

    The thing is: I'm totally for pushing out sexual *****, to get rid of pedos. But what is done here are symbolic changes without doing anything to actually fight these things. It's like ... putting fresh paint on the outside walls of a rotten building and telling the world "Look what a great house we have!". Anyways, I'm off to bed, good night/day/whatever.

    How would you exactly "get rid of pedos" which I hate that term cause it's incorrect without having rules? It's not like they are going to all gather 'round and raise their hand and say "here I am"!  

    But at least they won't be hiding in A rated sims any longer and for that us "adults" can rest easier.

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Luna Bliss said:

    I suspect that many who set their region 'A' simply don't like rules/restrictions, and when you've set your region to 'M' you've basically accepted a restriction given by LL for such regions (sex only behind closed doors, parcel set to invisible, blah blah blah'0.  So it's the feeling one gets by being more free that often determines the preference of owning an 'A' sim.

    Exactly. If I could set my Linden home as Adult I would....not that any sex actually happens in or outdoors but maybe...one day. :)

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    4 minutes ago, Daniel Regenbogen said:

    Nope, and I even follow the speed limits, even if the reason for them isn't visible at first sight. You know why? Because I learned that there usually *is* a good reason for them. As I learned in SL that in most cases there is *no* good reason for an adult rating.

    Then bring that up with the region owners who deemed the land ADULT. If there is no good reason then they should be ok with changing it.  However, LL has said no Child avatars on A Rated land. That's is highly unlikely to change no matter how much you disagree with it.  This isn't like signing a petition and a rule gets overturned. LL makes the rules and even if ALL of us agree, I guarantee you the rule would still be in place.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Daniel Regenbogen said:

    I  can only repeat it: a place isn't adult because of a letter at the top of the screen. That letter only sets the maximum of what is allowed there. It doesn't make adult content/action mandatory.

    What you should do then is message the owner and ask them if they would be willing to reduce the rating to M rated or move the sim if it's in a place where it can't be reduced.

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    A very easy way to solve this is to have child avatars accounts. But I guess that's too much work for LL.

    If you want to play a child, you must use a child avatar account.  These accounts would automatically have the A rating disabled and no A rated items are able to be purchased. The account can only use an approved LL body on this account and cannot switch to any other body. You are only able to purchase items marked with the "CA" icon. If you are using an adult avatar you are prohibited from purchasing any "CA" items or clothing.

    It would have worked if they set it up this way from the start, but alas they didn't. So now we have this mess.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    6 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

    Nope, but if they create a top and underwear combo that covers those areas adequately. I am sure that is fine, and you clearly didn't read what I stated Kathleen. I gave examples of underwear to use. And heck, you can even put a muscle shirt as the top for the child. That enables creators to be able to express their creativity through this way. 

    I have no idea where you got this from? It's like you made this all  up. 

    LL never said it needs to be a top/underwear combo. People are concerned that the baked in layer will break their clothing so making them wear a muscle shirt is not a good solution at all. Also, there would be a huge difference between granny panties and bikini underwear.  

    and it's Kathlen, not Kathleen and yes, it matters.

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    2 minutes ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

    It is up to the creator, how they draw their modesty layer to bake on the skin. So you could have granny panties, boxers, boxer briefs or even briefs on them. 

    So what you are saying is that if the creator draws a circle over nipples, the crotch and the buttocks that's sufficient enough? mhm,  I find that hard to believe.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said:

    Will you be actively hunting down child avi's?

    What factors will you use to determine complying avi's, whether Child or late teen?

    Do you often attend places where child avi's are in attendance? ( I hardy ever see one unless I specifically go to places where they congregate)

    Did you even read my post AT ALL? or just skim it because all those questions are answered IN THE POST ITSELF. 

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    I wish that when Maitreya came out withe Lara X there was such an uproar of people having to spend $Lthousands to replace a wardrobe but there was hardly a care in the world about that.  Even when creators said and did stop creating for Maitreya and are only creating now for Lara X.  

     

    I honestly think that this thread would die down if LL simply showed us a picture of what the modesty panel will/should look like.  They have yet to do so letting residents make up in their head how bad it will be.  Not a responsible way to rollout a major change, if you ask me.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    Posted · Edited by Kathlen Onyx

    Here is how it's going to go down with ME:

    If I see a child avatar in an Adult region, I am going to make an AR.

    If I see a child avatar on a nude beach in a M rated region, I am going to make an AR.

    If I see a child avatar in a club that is doing M rated things that include nudity or sexualized talk I am going to IM the owner/host of the region and ask them to ask the child avatar to leave. If they refuse or don't comply I won't be returning to said club. No AR needed.

    If I see a Child Avatar in a G rated region I may engage with them and RP as an adult speaking to a child. I may also ignore them. 

    If I see a Child Avatar in a M rated region I may engage with them and RP as an adult speaking to a child. I may also ignore them. 

    In no uncertain terms would I check to see if they had a modesty panel on or actually care if they do.  That's up to them to police. If they feel they want to take the chance that someone might look and report, well that's their decision. As long as they are clothed, aren't around A rated sims or M rated sims where nudity and/or sexual activities (including local chat) is going on I really don't care enough to worry about it.

    HOWEVER, what I consider a child avatar is my interpretation.  Anime included. If the head or body looks like a child whether it's a child avatar or anime makes no difference to me.  I will let LL decide if the AR was appropriate.

    I really don't see me being a threat to Child Avatars.  

    For what it's worth I was part of BeYou for 2 years. Lots and lots of child avatars play BeYou. Not one time did I ever see anything wrong going on, out in the community or on the M rated sim.  

    Nothing I wrote above has changed for me due to the new TOS rules and not once have I ever had to make an AR on a child avatar.

    I personally feel that having to have a modesty panel baked into the body is too much. I would think that if a child avatar is simply wearing BOM bra/panties with clothing covering it up should be sufficient enough but it's not my call. 

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    8 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

    Have you considered just switching to a grown-up / adult avatar? For me, that would be like if I was told to stop being Neko and only be "normal human", after so many years - not sure I could handle it.

    Are you even RP then at this point? You know you aren't really a Neko right? If you couldn't handle being on a platform as anything BUT a Neko there is something wrong. Sorry but I think reality has really escaped some people.

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    2 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

    Since I personally witnessed the type of violations being discussed and saw no words, I do not assume there are always any private or public chat involved. If AI were to be used as a detection tool, then chat couldn't be a reliable detection method.

    It's possible they might be smart and chatting not on SL but perhaps Discord?

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    15 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:

    i think your conclusion is debatable, because we can read it in two ways ; 
    if it's a combination of the two the word "and" wouldn't be there and just say "or".
    With the word "and" is makes the activity required to be present, and the "or" confirms the activity as main reason.

    this and the lack of information what they'r going to use to rule the violations only makes it a vague happening, not te mention the worries people get about possible different outcomes, just depending who's handling the appeal or report. ( what also was a point in the original cause of this)

    Somewhere way back someone posted that child avi's are not allowed to be in the presence of nude avatars even if they are clothed.  So I would conclude that for child avi's it's considered Adult. For non child avi's it's still considered M if it's just nudity.  

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    23 minutes ago, Leslie Trihey said:

    Hence the slippery slope. This is why I chuckled when people say "I can easily tell between an adult av and a young av", because some people clearly can't.

    See your opinion of what a child avi is and mine are different. It's not a slippery slope. If I report your avatar because I think it's a child avi and you believe it clearly is not and are following the TOS, then don't worry about it.

    Besides you won't even know who reported you. If I was going to report someone I certainly wouldn't tell them I was.  I'd just do it. 

    Also, I have never, ever even seen an anime avatar in world so it's certainly not me you'll have to worry about reporting it.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    4 minutes ago, Leslie Trihey said:

    Yes it pretty much means "bless you heart", and I am sorry. I am not trying to come off as condescending but LL does not have the greatest track record for fair bans. Their policy has been always akin to "Scorched earth" when it comes to these sort of things. Unless something changes, a lot of innocents are going to get caught up in the witch hunt.

    And especially when, and I do apologize for using this word as I find it distasteful myself but the word is blunt and fitting - Normies think anime faces look like children.

    It's not my responsibility to determine if something I have reported is acted upon.  If, for some reason, it is acted upon then it would say to me that it was right to report it. If it's not acted upon then no harm done.  

    I refuse to worry that if I report a user for something that I feel is against the TOS that if they get consequences' its somehow my fault.

    I will freely admit I don't know where the line is so I would leave it up to LL to make that determination but I am allowed to report things I think are against the TOS.

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    2 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said:

    ... and you've been incessantly attacking her avatars face.

     

    I beg your pardon? I haven't ATTACKED her face at all. I said it looked like a child (and it does) and I'd report her if I saw her in an A rated region.

    Give me a break Coffee. I know you are the adult content champion here but I'm not the only one with eyes. She even said her face was a babyface. How does that register as adult in any way, shape or form?

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    4 minutes ago, Robberinthemuseum said:

    Ouch 😆. It's how I feel though. Child avis weird me out at the best of times, apart from Phoebe. People who have a problem with modesty patches have more going on than we all should be exposed to in sl. That's my opinion 🤷‍♂️. It isn't a stupid opinion. 

    Ok, I get how you feel about it but report them to the authorities? Honestly, what are they going to report? What are the authorities to do with it?

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