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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    8 minutes ago, Starberry Passion said:

    And that's why no one is listening to you because you're the very type of person who is trying to attack younger women for not looking your age.

    You have a doll head on your avatar that looks like a CHILD.  I couldn't care less if you call it a "stylized" head. 

    All I'm saying is that if you are ok with that being over 18 great! But some will see it as a child avatar. If you are confident that if you get AR'd you won't get banned then don't change it.

    I've already stated several times in this thread that unless I see a child avi on adult land or on a nude beach I will be ignoring it because I simply don't care enough to take the time to AR you. It's not me you have to worry about.

    Others will spend all their time in SL doing just that.

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Madi Melodious said:

    Actually, it doesn't.  In 10 years, I've never spoken like a child avatar in that kind of manner.  In our estate "family" we do have a member that we refer to sometimes as "Mom" but it's more of title of respect than her being our actual SL mommy figure.    Basically, short of anything listed in the TOS, I basically treat my child avatar the exact same way I treat my adult alt.  

    A lot of people do though.

    What irks me the most are the Child Avi's that come into groups asking for support or questions about a product and sit there and STILL act like children. They say things like "I'm a kid, I don't understand" in that whining voice. They use child babble.  Unless it's a RP group for children,  then please act like the adult you are when asking for support help. 

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    8 minutes ago, Theresa Ravenheart said:

    Everyone using the Detect age by photo site to test an avatars age should know that the site is seriously flawed. I tested it with my avatar, how I normally look (image labeled #2) and myself aged with wrinkles (image labeled #1). I added a lot of wrinkles and skin details to age myself and it only added 2 years! My avatar height is 6.28 ft.

    It says my avatar is 21. Do I look like a 21 year old? I personally think that I look older than 21, but it's hard to put my finger on an exact age cause my avatar is a FICTIONAL person that does not exist. If I was holding a teddy bear, would people think that I am 17 or under all of the sudden? What if I am dressed in fetish gear, using an adult body, head and skin, at an adult BDSM sim, my owner has me on a leash, and I call him Daddy? Everything points to me being, acting, and looking like an adult, but could a simple pet name put myself or him in jeopardy? I see the child-like comments in the TOS/FAQ impacting many of us on the edge even thought we have adult avatars.

     

     

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    To me...that looks like a 13 year old that talked her parents into getting her a breast enlargement.  Where are earth would you think that represents anyone older than 21?

    Ya think maybe the site is taking into consideration the outfit, jewelry, etc you are wearing that in no way would any adult wear?

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    4 hours ago, Love Zhaoying said:

    I have an idea to "engage the community" to help with enforcement.

    A group "sworn to protect child avatars" can be formed.  Think of them similar to the Hell's Angels, or "Nazi Hunters", or the vengeful group from the movie "Sleepers".  This group could ensure that Child avatars are "safe at all times'.  

    As a bonus, the same group could help ensure that any Child avatar also did not "get into trouble" through any action!

    We could call them "Big Brothers" (like the RL "Big Brothers and Sisters" organization).

    "Thank you, Big Brother!"

    * If you take this suggestion totally seriously, you have failed to detect basic satire and irony. I know some people will interpret this seriously and be upset by it. This caveat is for those people.

    I finally figured out why I find your posts distasteful.  There is NO reason for this post to be in this thread.  It's simply posted for attention.  It makes fun of the new rules and dismisses legitimate concerns.  It's disrespectful and rude. 

    I really do hope they come for the furry's next.

     

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    32 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

    The modesty layer isn't called for when alpha will do the job just fine.   

    What they are preventing is the Child avatar from being able to turn it back on themselves. That's why Alphaing won't work. It must not be able to be removed.

    The thing with all this though is that what is to stop them from just putting on a non compliant body at any time. I am pretty sure ***play doesn't happen in the open and if it's two or three people doing it they are behind closed doors.  Who would know but them and do you think they will be sending in AR reports on themselves?

    Unless they make a specific account for adults that can't purchase child avatar things and a specific Child Avatar account that can't purchase adult things then it's very simple to get around the rules while appearing to comply in public.

    I kind of see this as LL saying "welp, we did what we could to curtail the behavior. If they get caught not conforming then we have reason to ban"  BUT the thing is that they never will be caught and nothing will change.  It's just made it a lot of hassle for those that were already following the rules.

    Yes, there is something bigger happening here and we just don't know what it is....yet.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Denim Robonaught said:

    I'm finding it interesting that many people here call the children community a minority, while they've never been to adoption centers, schools, sport clubs, recreational areas, or even consider that any of these kids have any sl relatives; (parents, aunts, nieces, school friends, teachers) of whom a lot live on none sexual, adult areas of land.

    I don't think it's a minority but just as the Child Avatars will have to follow new rules so will those families that are on Adult land. If they want to continue to RP with Child Avatars they will need to live on G or M rated land.  If the land is non sexual then they won't have an issues moving to new land or they just won't be able to RP on their land.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    2 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

     

    My post here was more for sarcasm and a little comedy relief but now that I think about it.  What about it?    If someone posts a question in a moderate group about adult products, am I allowed to even view the code for that or do I have to leave the group?   I'm not talking about a dedicated group for adult products, I'm talking about a moderate, general script group that I have been an active member of for close to a decade.

     

    Why would you need permission. If you put on an adult avatar you are considered an adult not a child avatar. 

    It makes no difference whatsoever. I say don't go around making issues when there are none just because you are peeved about one that affects you.

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    Posted · Edited by Kathlen Onyx

    19 minutes ago, Madi Melodious said:

    I was just subjected to adult conversation in a public forum about scripting.    What does the TOS have to say about that?  Do I need to run and flee because I'm a small avatar?

    Am I allowed to comment on such subjects?    Or should I just stay quiet and not heard?

    Are you IN the forum as a child avatar? No because avatars don't exist outside Second Life. Once you are logged out of Second Life do what you want.

    Didn't realize that the meant group in-world, not forum. 

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    4 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said:

    You know, considering I never see a kid, and never interact with kids none of these new rules will have any impact on my Second Life. My only concern is that with more and more rules regarding what is not acceptable, Second Life will eventually end up as a place no one wants to be.

    If I had a nickel for every time I heard that.....

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    6 minutes ago, Kei Niosaki said:

    just because a sim is rated adult doesnt mean adult activities are taking place. many friends simply just rent a plot of land for a home  on a sim rated adult, Why adult well that plot of land was a good price at the time. So Please  stop fishing for reason to make child avies on adult land look bad

    I said no such thing. What I said was "is it THAT important for you to interact with those people as a child avatar on A rated land"

    You are still you and they are still they behind the avatar. If it's that important, have them visit you.

    Also, if you are going to break the TOS might as go all the way and continue to visit them. I mean it doesn't matter to you about the TOS right?

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    2 minutes ago, BriannaLovey said:

    quoting this person so people who missed it can see it

    Pretty sure no one missed it. 

    A post from a non member that isn't a lawyer giving advice? I'll skip it.

    I'm sure this will be seen by most as heartless but it's not LL responsibility to make sure that those that use the platform don't have emotional breakdowns.  Second Life is a platform,  not a therapy site.

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    5 minutes ago, Blush Bravin said:

    And I'm just speculating. For the past day and a half I really thought there's no way it's talking about BOM, but now I need clarification too. I hate being confused and uncertain about important things. I can really empathize with people using child avatars. The uncertainty must be frustrating and stressful.

    Myself as well. If it really IS just talking about BOM then all this is for nothing. The only thing that makes me think it's not is that LL is requiring the creator to make them. Not residents just going out and buying BOM clothing.

    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    5 minutes ago, Sparkle Bunny said:

    Nobody has explained yet how this is going to be policed in the case of kids wearing BOM underwear and/or alpha-ing out the relevant areas.

    Unless of course I'm not actually going to be allowed to use alpha any more (because the invisible skin might not be TOS-compliant!). In which case, very few of my clothes will fit and I will have to run around in BOM clothes with, presumably, my mandatory mesh underpants covering my trousers. Grim.

    This actually is a good point. A skin doesn't show up on an avatar scan so how is anyone going to know if the avatar is wearing a compliant skin if they also have BOM underwear on over it?

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    So what changed in the Terms of Service?

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    1 minute ago, Sammy Huntsman said:

    That is just my opinion on this. I am not making a factual statement, but it kinda makes sense. 

    Well I would love it then if LL came on this thread, as they already have, and verified that a modestly layer simply means wearing BOM underwear. I think EVERYONE would be happy with it. I actually already do this anyway and I'm not even a child avatar.

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