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I don't know what is going to happen, but I know that with a few words Mr. Altberg may have shot to death an economy that took years to be built and thrive. I will try to keep doing in SL what I've always done in my two and an half years in it, but I won't be buying any more products that may or may not be portable to the new platform. We may lose part of our assets, but that's ok, it's only virtual goods. What the Lab will be losing isn't something virtual, though — I do believe they will start losing quite some real money. About moving to some other platform and start all over again... Well, just not for me — if I ever intended to do that, I'd already had moved to any other existing grid.

I'm 47 and I'm very excited about this I've been waiting for years for my "Sino-Logic 16, Sogo-7 data gloves, GPL stealth module, Burdine intelligent translator, and some Thompson eye-phones" LOL The problem of investing time and money in any thing based on computer technology is that it's the pace of change is so fast you have to think of the age of some technology it terms of dog years, last years cell phone is 7 years old, and SL 77 years old lol **Only uploaded images may be used in postings**://secondlife.i.lithium.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" border="0" alt=":smileyhappy:" title="Smiley Happy" />. but last years cell phone still works it's not obsolete it's just not as shiny. I do think or hope the new SL will last even longer, the first time around SL was truly an experiment, at lease this time they are starting with past knowledge, hopeful this is applied to how to make it more scalable and adaptable for the future All that is true, but there is one small detail missing there: besides the phone still works, it is something essential, and SL isn't — at least not for me as a mere consumer (and for many thousand users that won't even come to these forums.) Well, yes, I do hope whatever grid the Lab keeps running can last for a long time, and it's inevitable that SL as we know it changes... or is replaced. As the CEO wrote — and I agree — if it isn't the Lab doing it, someone else will (I wonder if the "leak" was the Lab's reaction to HiFi project.) But dropping a "bomb" and providing no additional info — I insist — was a dumb thing to do. I certainly think it will have an impact on the economy, but how much or what parts of it is hard to tell. I think buying new land at this point is a bad idea, but may actually be good for the land barons, and that's LL gets most of their direct income from, people will be more likely to rent then buy land now. At least on the main land I think LL was all ready preparing for this for some time, I've noticed there is a very large amount of abandoned land that has been reclaimed by LL and not set to sale a lot of it has been sitting there for over a year or more. Dunno if LL has been keeping large chunks of mainland abandoned for that reason or not, but I know some full regions that have been kept that way for over one year. I don't think the impact on the economy will be only concerning land, though. My favourite boat builder may come out with the most wonderful sailboat, but I won't be buying it without knowing if it can be ported to the new grid or if I get a free update there. Someone must commit to compatibility or replacing what users lose... Whether it is the Lab or the builder, I don't care, but I do want a commitment that is more than some nice but vague words, or else I won't be buying it — period.

The timing is interesting before the slip there had recently that week been some stories and videos interviews about high fidelity in an open sim platform, the leek may have been a way to say that LL it working to keep up, and will put pressure on LL to develop it faster. Yes, that makes sense, and I've been following it. The problem is that it is probably going to retract the market... As I wrote, I'm not 16 years old, and If I were I wouldn't be in SL for sure — there's a big world out there waiting to be discovered. I believe most SL users — serious users — are people over 40, who don't get excited anymore with some "leaking" announcement. Over the years we tend to become conservative and to see our dealings as investments. If all the money and time we put into something all of a sudden becomes obsolete, then probably the best is to drop the product for good and find something else to do or somewhere else to go to. It sounded like some of the new features would be able to be added to the old SL as well. Maybe, maybe not... I sure hope so, though. But I understand that isn't good to sacrifice the reliability of a new system for compatibility with an old one, and that only makes me apprehensive. I really don't feel like starting over again, and I'd rather leave it for good if — unlike Mr. Altberg says — SL is replaced by whatever is coming. Buying land certenly looks like a bad investment in SL right now, I would expect to see the prices of the set up cost to drop it thers a huge drop in land sales, and LL would be wise to let people know ASP what will be transferable, but I expect there's a lot of trouth in them saying it too early to tell. But here's my blind guess, or a list of question LL needs to answer ASP -Prims are likely gone, but can all ready be converted to mesh in the current SL all thou permissions and who created it is a factor but that could change for importing to the new SL where ownership dosen't change. -sculpt maps will likely be gone, it was just a stepping stone to mesh. -rigged and fitted mesh likely to need to be rerigged or fitted to new avatar, or updated to new standards. -if avatar height is corrected then animation may need to be adjusted, all so if the bone structure changes. -Changes to or replacement of LSL, possible addition of javascript for compatibility to high fidelity? I can only subscribe what you wrote. yes, since they were in a hurry to announce a new era, then they must hurry explaining how it is going to be and what SL users can count on. I know that at the present stage it will be hard for them to know exactly how it is going to be, and that's another reason why I think it was dumb on their part to come out with all that. If they can't tell what we can or cannot do they are going to lose some substancial income. They probably only wanted to shake the market and test its pulse, but only got part of that same market fearing what's coming.

Yes, Theresa, I can easily agree with most you wrote, and I also understand that to make the system work better many parts of it need to be redone from scratch. The thing is, I believe those interviews were a shot on his own foot, business wise — they would make me feel excited about it all if I were 16 years old, but I'm not. Putting more money into SL? From now on I'll think several times before buying anything, and probably won't do it at all until I'm sure it will be portable.

Thanks, Perrie. For a CEO, I believe that "leak" was a dumb thing to do. I mean, how can they expect now that people put money into SL when something else is coming? Especially a system that won't be compatible... Also, how can we expect SL being improved when only a small maintenance team is working on it? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Yeah, that must be quite annoying... Here's a few hints for you: fill your profile with some text — make it nice; make sure you are SL age verified; provide payment info. I run a small place rated Moderate, and have experienced griefing at the region where it is located, so I perfectly understand why many club owners are booting you. I never did that often, but weird usernames together with blank profiles always made me feel like "pulling the trigger." At some point, I decided to allow in my parcel only people with payment info on file (and those without it that I've known for quite some time.)

On days there are rolling restarts or maintenances going on, it's rather difficult to get a response. And I suppose it always depends on the number of support cases pending... Also, some cases may be considered more imprtant than others. Several factors to take into account, I believe.

There was a griefer attack at the region where I own a parcel, yesterday. I opened a support case and had three Lindens coming over — they fixed it. They took a few hours to respond (after the sim was restarted and nothing changed) but they fixed it. So, I'm not sure what is wrong with those AR's...

I'm glad you got it fixed too. :matte-motes-smitten:

I hope it works. Good luck!

Noooooo, I didn't access the table (don't even know if that is possible) but tried using their DNS and system clothes were not loaded again.

Oh, so sorry... I have no idea how that is done in Windows 8. But check Microsoft's knowledge base and I'm sure you will find info about it.

Yes, you have to set those DNS numbers in all devices you connect to SL. By the way, wireless connections aren't much reliable for SL because they depend on a few more factors than hardwired ones.

Well, my ISP's DNS still has an out-of-date table... I checked earlier today. Despite I called them yesterday and told them about the issue. So, the reliability "thing" must be based on availability and response time ups and downs. Still, that lil programme is a valuable tool. Have fun you too. :matte-motes-smile: [uPDATE] Take a look at my ISP compared with Google: 213.228.128. 6 | Min | Avg | Max |Std.Dev|Reliab%| ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ - Cached Name | 0,020 | 0,023 | 0,031 | 0,002 | 100,0 | - Uncached Name | 0,040 | 0,168 | 0,858 | 0,174 | 100,0 | - DotCom Lookup | 0,064 | 0,224 | 0,873 | 0,239 | 100,0 | ---<-------->---+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ ns2.netvisao.pt AS13156 Cabovisao,SA,PT 213.228.128. 5 | Min | Avg | Max |Std.Dev|Reliab%| ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ - Cached Name | 0,020 | 0,023 | 0,031 | 0,002 | 100,0 | - Uncached Name | 0,041 | 0,203 | 1,133 | 0,262 | 100,0 | - DotCom Lookup | 0,068 | 0,274 | 0,881 | 0,286 | 100,0 | ---<-------->---+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ ns.netvisao.pt AS13156 Cabovisao,SA,PT 8. 8. 4. 4 | Min | Avg | Max |Std.Dev|Reliab%| ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ + Cached Name | 0,056 | 0,065 | 0,080 | 0,007 | 100,0 | + Uncached Name | 0,060 | 0,187 | 0,651 | 0,170 | 100,0 | + DotCom Lookup | 0,064 | 0,091 | 0,215 | 0,038 | 100,0 | ---<-------->---+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ google-public-dns-b.google.com GOOGLE - Google Inc.,US 8. 8. 8. 8 | Min | Avg | Max |Std.Dev|Reliab%| ----------------+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ + Cached Name | 0,061 | 0,069 | 0,159 | 0,015 | 100,0 | + Uncached Name | 0,064 | 0,169 | 0,611 | 0,165 | 100,0 | + DotCom Lookup | 0,069 | 0,084 | 0,180 | 0,024 | 100,0 | ---<-------->---+-------+-------+-------+-------+-------+ google-public-dns-a.google.com GOOGLE - Google Inc.,US UTC: 2014-06-08, from 17:35:22 to 17:35:46, for 00:23,877

My ISP is marked as 100% reliable. :matte-motes-silly: So, reliability isn't based on how often the DNS table is updated, I think...

Yes, it solved the problem, and yes, it is to be applied to your PC's network configuration. And you're very welcome. :matte-motes-asleep-2:

Wow, quite an useful tool, indeed. Thanks, Sara!:matte-motes-grin: The funny part is... My ISP got the best benchmark, but they have a bad DNS table (probably they aren't updating it as often as they should.)

http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Base-de-connaissances/Linden-dollars-Fran%C3%A7ais/ta-p/700353

It seems that you, just like me, need to start using Google public DNS servers. Follow the instructions at this web page: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using That is caused by a bad DNS table from your ISP, I believe.

I have the exact same problem Follow the instructions from this web page: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using If that doesn't solve your issue, than its origin is different than that of the problem I had. I hope it does. And please keep in mind what Monty Linden told me: "There are some odd cases that arise when talking to the baking service which is why I hopped on this. They haven't all been resolved. But ISP problems are still far more common and, honestly, probably becoming more common."

Oh, that's right... :matte-motes-bashful: As it was obvious it wasn't a viewer problem (I tried 3 viewers) it didn't occur to me to check the Firestorm wiki. Also, everything had been working fine until Wednesday... But lesson learned. Actually, quite a few lessons were learned from all this. Thanks for your support, Sara.

It is great, indeed: :matte-motes-grin: You can check some details at the deploys for the week thread — I posted there a bit more of what Monty Linden wrote.

Thanks, Perrie, I'm very glad too. :matte-motes-big-grin-squint: Quoting Monty Linden: "You have bad DNS information for our bake service. Instead of talking to Linden servers, the viewer and your browser have been trying to connect back to your own computer. If 'xxxxxx.pt' is your ISP, the problem may be there. Show them the nslookup command and output and they should understand the problem." And again: "There are some odd cases that arise when talking to the baking service which is why I hopped on this. They haven't all been resolved. But ISP problems are still far more common and, honestly, probably becoming more common."

And... Can be an ISP problem (or ahead) it seems — bad DNS. Which is easily fixed using Google public DNS servers. It is easy to rant against the Lab, but Monty Linden was just great, so I owe an apology to them all this time. Noted. And a THANK YOU SO MUCH! Someone, somewhere changed something. So I have someone else to rant against as soon as I find out who. :matte-motes-wink-tongue: Sill, quoting Monty Linden: "There are some odd cases that arise when talking to the baking service which is why I hopped on this. They haven't all been resolved. But ISP problems are still far more common and, honestly, probably becoming more common." So, you all out there keep your ISP's on a short leash.

And... Can be an ISP problem (or ahead) it seems — bad DNS. Which is easily fixed using Google public DNS servers. It is easy to rant against the Lab, but Monty Linden was just great, so I owe an apology to them all this time. Noted. And a THANK YOU SO MUCH! Someone, somewhere changed something. So I have someone else to rant against as soon as I find out who. :matte-motes-wink-tongue: