Arielle Popstar Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, junkurosu said: well, there are actually sites in which you can copy and paste text to read it back to you if you'd like it to. pop on that subway surfers video, and violà! you've now read the terms of service From the viewer when you have to accept it to log in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: I've always had to read and accept the ToS in the viewer, not at your link. You can accept an updated ToS on a web page? Actually, yes. When you try to log into your dashboard before logging into the viewer, you'll get hit with the same Accept ToS option. Edited June 7 by Rowan Amore 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just now, Arielle Popstar said: 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: I am, and I'm looking at YOU. Whenever others have expressed troubles you say they should take responsibility! Why aren't you doing that? I did, for my part, not theirs. That's not my responsibility to. It's your responsibility to read the TOS, yet you complain it's difficult to find (when it's posted in numerous places). Then we had your eyesight explanation. No, you're not taking responsibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolig Loon Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: You can accept an updated ToS on a web page? You can read it there any time, before or after you accept/deny it. If you are presented with a note when you login that asks you to accept a revised version, you always have the option to read it slowly and carefully on the web site if you want to do that before clicking ACCEPT. ETA: And you'll notice that the login notice you posted has a highlighted link to the web site so you can read it before accepting. Edited June 7 by Rolig Loon 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 14 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Look who is being disingenuous 2. You link a dark mode page which is already hard enough for me to read, with a font looking like this Depending on your browser, you can press "Ctl" + "'+ sign" multiple times to increase the Zoom factor, and "Ctl" + "- sign" to reduce it. I find this indispensable to reading anything on the Web. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: It's your responsibility to read the TOS, yet you complain it's difficult to find (when it's posted in numerous places). Then we had your eyesight explanation. No, you're not taking responsibility. The Lab requires me to accept the ToS, not read it. They probably prefer if I don't or there might be second thoughts. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just wow. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just now, Love Zhaoying said: Depending on your browser, you can press "Ctl" + "'+ sign" multiple times to increase the Zoom factor, and "Ctl" + "- sign" to reduce it. I find this indispensable to reading anything on the Web. Yes I do that all the time. Does one have that option when having to accept it in the Viewer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fauve Aeon Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just now, Arielle Popstar said: Yes I do that all the time. Does one have that option when having to accept it in the Viewer? I don’t know, but you can always read it on the website then also check the texts against each other using something like this if you want to make sure they are the same or if you wish to see what exactly any new changes are from version to version. https://text-compare.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love Zhaoying Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Rowan Amore said: Just wow. They won't tell us the information. * provides information * It's hidden. * shows information on website * It's at the bottom. * shows direct link to the info at the bottom * I can't read it. * shows how to expand the text * What next, "I can't read"? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just now, Love Zhaoying said: They won't tell us the information. * provides information * It's hidden. * shows information on website * It's at the bottom. * shows direct link to the info at the bottom * I can't read it. * shows how to expand the text * What next, "I can't read"? Kind of...childish. 😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said: You can read it there any time, before or after you accept/deny it. If you are presented with a note when you login that asks you to accept a revised version, you always have the option to read it slowly and carefully on the web site if you want to do that before clicking ACCEPT. ETA: And you'll notice that the login notice you posted has a highlighted link to the web site so you can read it before accepting. Wouldn't it be grand if they actually presented it a day or two ahead like other companies so one can read it a leisure and not when rushed to login to attend a meeting with a friend or group? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Love Zhaoying said: They won't tell us the information. * provides information * It's hidden. * shows information on website * It's at the bottom. * shows direct link to the info at the bottom * I can't read it. * shows how to expand the text * What next, "I can't read"? You didn't answer the question I asked you. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Amore Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said: Wouldn't it be grand if they actually presented it a day or two ahead like other companies so one can read it a leisure and not when rushed to login to attend a meeting with a friend or group? No 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkurosu Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 8 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: From the viewer when you have to accept it to log in? i mean, i dont expect a terms of service to play a little video for me and do a dancing jig, so no i dont think so. i mean would it be nice? probably! but ive yet to find a terms of service anywhere that has a fun and entertaining step by step guide with a virtual assistant to read it off to me. i think they want us to put a little effort in reading the thing. respectfully, this is moving the goalposts a little too much. anyone can do a little legwork and make the whole thing a breeze to read through if they wanted to, is my point 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolig Loon Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said: The Lab requires me to accept the ToS, not read it. Reading is always a smart option. If you are truly concerned about what an agreement means, or if you have trouble reading it, it's a good idea to get help. This is true whether you are agreeing to pay a mortgage on your house or time payments on your car, but it's also true for something with much lower stakes like SL's TOS. Yes, you are only required to sign, but It's always your responsibility to know what you are signing. If you don't, you have nobody to blame but yourself if you violate the conditions. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: I Take 3 deep breathes -- inhale in 3 seconds...exhale out 3 seconds. Now bring your focus in from the outer world until you feel yourself in the spot between your eyes. This is your awareness, your consciousness. From here you can examine why you are doing what you're doing, and can question yourself "is this the best course of action for me"? and "What am I hoping to obtain by this behavior"? Edited June 7 by Luna Bliss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 minutes ago, junkurosu said: i mean, i dont expect a terms of service to play a little video for me and do a dancing jig, so no i dont think so. i mean would it be nice? probably! but ive yet to find a terms of service anywhere that has a fun and entertaining step by step guide with a virtual assistant to read it off to me. i think they want us to put a little effort in reading the thing. respectfully, this is moving the goalposts a little too much. anyone can do a little legwork and make the whole thing a breeze to read through if they wanted to, is my point I was asking if that copy paste you talked about in your post, could be done from the viewer when being presented with an updated ToS to accept? Nothing to do with dancing jigs. Quote well, there are actually sites in which you can copy and paste text to read it back to you if you'd like it to. pop on that subway surfers video, and violà! you've now read the terms of service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fauve Aeon Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Arielle Popstar said: Wouldn't it be grand if they actually presented it a day or two ahead like other companies so one can read it a leisure and not when rushed to login to attend a meeting with a friend or group? Sure and I want a unicorn pony. And a box of macarons. But honestly most of the time when I log in, I’ve got stuff to do so I’m lucky if I cut/paste the current copy to compare to the old copy and frankly, I’m not involved in anything that I can think of that comes remotely close to violating any of the parts of the TOS I’m most familiar with after 16 years soooo…. However if I were worried about sections, and you seem to be, I’d study them, not make a million excuses why I can’t, won’t, shouldn’t have to, didn’t….because I like ‘functional’. And agreeing and following them is the road to there. Why is that difficult, that seems quite straightforward. Hey I want in. Ok, agree to follow the rules, ya? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolig Loon Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 8 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Wouldn't it be grand if they actually presented it a day or two ahead like other companies so one can read it a leisure and not when rushed to login to attend a meeting with a friend or group? Grand, perhaps, but do you honestly think that many more people would take the time to read it two days ahead of time than they do now? Would you? If you were really as concerned about knowing what's in a TOS revision as you claim to be, why wouldn't you be willing to forego a meeting with your friend or group so you could do the reading first? Or isn't it really all that important to you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heygeeksandgamers Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 4 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: I was asking if that copy paste you talked about in your post, could be done from the viewer when being presented with an updated ToS to accept? Nothing to do with dancing jigs. on firestorm at least, you can. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkurosu Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: I was asking if that copy paste you talked about in your post, could be done from the viewer when being presented with an updated ToS to accept? Nothing to do with dancing jigs. id like to highlight i said there were sites you could copy paste that into. (also, the dancing jigs is just a silly little joke. can you imagine how funny that would be? and also maybe a lot harder to read, with all the text dancing around i guess) but, to quote me, 2 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Quote well, there are actually sites in which you can copy and paste text to read it back to you if you'd like it to. pop on that subway surfers video, and violà! you've now read the terms of service i never said that you could do that in the actual viewer. but if you want to make it easier for yourself to read text on a screen, you can. the onus is fully on you though to do it, and while i do like accessability for someone who not only also has bad eyesight but a multitude of other problems that makes text on a screen severely hard to read, it's not LL's problem. would i like some assistance? of course! but thats still on me if i break TOS because i took no effort at to read it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 minutes ago, heygeeksandgamers said: on firestorm at least, you can. Finally, someone answered a simple question. Thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 6 minutes ago, Rolig Loon said: Grand, perhaps, but do you honestly think that many more people would take the time to read it two days ahead of time than they do now? Would you? If you were really as concerned about knowing what's in a TOS revision as you claim to be, why wouldn't you be willing to forego a meeting with your friend or group so you could do the reading first? Or isn't it really all that important to you? I certainly would and have done with Google updates and a few others that notified me of upcoming ToS or Privacy policy change. This is coming to be normal behaviour from legitimate companies even when they are as questionable as Google 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 12 minutes ago, Fauve Aeon said: However if I were worried about sections, and you seem to be, I’d study them, not make a million excuses why I can’t, won’t, shouldn’t have to, didn’t….because I like ‘functional’. And agreeing and following them is the road to there. Why is that difficult, that seems quite straightforward. Not overly, I have other places to go which suit me fine if it comes down to it and SL becomes too much bother. This all started when i simply responded "Wow! Who knew?!" which maybe you thought was me being sarcastic though I wasn't. My apologies if you took it that way, I could have used a better response in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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