You are isekaied into Second Life. What do you do?

[SlammedSam]

Would I simulataneously inhabit my own homebrew universe, as well as Star Wars and Star Trek as a result of being sucked into SL?

[Maitimo]

On 5/22/2024 at 2:21 PM, Charlemagne Allen said:

You are forcibly physically entered into Second Life by magic. You are stuck in your avatar body. What do you do?

Right now. I panic. In SL I'm currently very pregnant with about four weeks to go.

😆

[Kalegthepsionicist]

On 5/22/2024 at 9:21 PM, Charlemagne Allen said:

You are forcibly physically entered into Second Life by magic. You are stuck in your avatar body. What do you do?

 

[Anna Salyx]

On 5/22/2024 at 9:22 AM, Love Zhaoying said:

Yes but - if I am "real" in Second Life:

-Can I eat?  Will I starve if I don't?

 

On 5/22/2024 at 9:30 AM, Charlemagne Allen said:

1. Yes, you need to eat.

2. Yes, you can be hurt and dying hurts. You just wake up at home after 24 hours.

3. You will temporarily not exist while teleporting. If you get stuck in a teleport, you are stuck.

6. You are your avatar, whatever you chose. You can access outfits and your inventory, since you operate based on the rules of the game. You will not age physically, since that is not in the game.

I am going by the traditional rules that you are stuck in the virtual world with whatever rules the virtual world has. So it really depends on what your avatar is like.

Why do we need to eat?  If we're "stuck in the virtual world with whatever rules the virtual world has", then we shouldn't need to eat.  My avatar does not need to eat, nor sleep, nor breath for that matter.  I can RP these effects as well as needing facilities for what would be politely termed "regular bodily functions". I call shenanigans on forcing food and possible after affects of food on us. 

On 5/22/2024 at 9:41 AM, Charlemagne Allen said:

Yes, you can fly in flight-enable sims.

If you crash or get kicked, you enter non-existence for as long as the grid is around.

I get a teleport failure would have a different rule since it's effect is to take us out of game, but you established that we can die and "respawn" 24 hours later at home, so why does crashing from height (which doesn't actually kill since we're made of rubber mesh, but I'll let that pass) permanently exile us to void.  Same with kicking?  Kicking either removes us from the parcel or sends us home to the region.   So I call shenanigans again.

Lastly,  Since we can't leave, then the void space technically wouldn't exist.  Teleport failures would be similar to a death event, just respawn at home.  As for as sim reboot, since we have effectively become an asset on the grid, when the region restart, we'd simply not exist until it was brought back and we, like our rezzed possession would just wink back into existence when the server was brought back online.

My big question, is would changing bodies, shapes, skins hurt.  Oh and I'm a wind up doll.  First thing I'd do would be to get someone to remove my key and turn me back into a "normal" human. 

[Fenix Eldritch]

2 hours ago, Anna Salyx said:

My big question, is would changing bodies, shapes, skins hurt.

And certain animations for that matter... like the troll "deformers" or utility animations meant to hide the base avatar and/or crumple them into a smaller volume.

[Always Salty]

Honestly, I'd just do ALL the weird sex things forever. Maybe I'll live in a good role-play sim when I get that out of my system. That is only if RP posts manifest as speech and actions that I can see and hear. It would feel like being a time traveler even though RP sims aren't exactly documentaries.

[Persephone Emerald]

5 hours ago, Anna Salyx said:

Why do we need to eat?  If we're "stuck in the virtual world with whatever rules the virtual world has", then we shouldn't need to eat.  My avatar does not need to eat, nor sleep, nor breath for that matter.  I can RP these effects as well as needing facilities for what would be politely termed "regular bodily functions". I call shenanigans on forcing food and possible after affects of food on us. 

I get a teleport failure would have a different rule since it's effect is to take us out of game, but you established that we can die and "respawn" 24 hours later at home, so why does crashing from height (which doesn't actually kill since we're made of rubber mesh, but I'll let that pass) permanently exile us to void.  Same with kicking?  Kicking either removes us from the parcel or sends us home to the region.   So I call shenanigans again.

Lastly,  Since we can't leave, then the void space technically wouldn't exist.  Teleport failures would be similar to a death event, just respawn at home.  As for as sim reboot, since we have effectively become an asset on the grid, when the region restart, we'd simply not exist until it was brought back and we, like our rezzed possession would just wink back into existence when the server was brought back online.

My big question, is would changing bodies, shapes, skins hurt.  Oh and I'm a wind up doll.  First thing I'd do would be to get someone to remove my key and turn me back into a "normal" human. 

I agree with this.

Avatars do not need to eat. They have no internal organs, do not age and do not normally incur damage. Thus, unless one is in a region with damage enabled, they could not be damaged. If they use a HUD that requires eating and waste elimation, then they could have those bodily functions, otherwise not. It should be the same for sexual functions. No bodily secretions unless one wears an attachment that allows secretions. Avatars would be basically Ken and Barbie dolls, unless they have genital attachments.

I get the need to have limitations in a scenario so existence wouldn't be perfect, but rather than creating arbitrary ones, they should be based on the actual limitations of SL. This is why I said all the food should taste like cardboard. We don't have a sense of smell or taste associated with playing in SL, so as an avatar we should be deprived of these senses. Yeah, we can fly and jump off a building without being hurt, but all food is tasteless and everything smells bland or weird. Imagine too how weird it would be to have no real sexual parts unless one can rez them from their inventory.

In the Amazon sci-fi series "Upload", people can have their consciousness uploaded to a virtual world when they die. They interface with customer service representatives who can make changes to their avatar. When one guy is having a conflict with his CSR, she starts punishing him by removing fingers and threatening that his pen!s will be next. Since these avatar bodies are computer generated, inhabitants are at the mercy of those who can alter their program. 

[Charlemagne Allen]

I was going by Tron rules. You die in the game, you die in real life.

[Anna Salyx]

Don't get me wrong, I do like the thought experiment.  But the rules need some consistency.  The direct contradiction on dying just inserted ambiguity.  Plus, trying to adapt on set of VR worlds rules to another is not always going to be a best fit.  Wreck it Ralph allows for characters to hop games if there is some sort of physical connection point, but you only "die" if you die outside of your own game. The Matrix only your mind goes wandering so death = death is logical. Tron was a concept idea way ahead of it's time that never really had to figure out any hard and fast rules. 

Again, I like the thought experiment, but it needs to fit within the Second Life framework to really work, IMO, and not try to force other systems rules on top of it. that is not to say that when translated to pixels that new rules aren't imposed on us, I can take that, but going from "stuck in the virtual world with whatever rules the virtual world has" to "you need to eat and if you don't you get sent to the void" is a pretty big step.  But going "Most of the rules still apply, but there might be a few surprises you'll have to figure out, so be careful" makes the new conditions more palatable. 

((and I don't think Teleport/Region Crossing failures would really be a thing, other wise nobody would travel at all.  Maybe teleports just aren't a thing and in the new world all the blank spaces between regions suddenly becomes actually navigable (sailing or flying), but there is no fear of disconnect when crossing a border.  (but each can have it's own rules.... kind of like The Well World (jack chalker novels)).

[Charlemagne Allen]

Go with your own rules. I was trying to find some downsides other than being stuck in the grid.

[Anna Salyx]

On 5/23/2024 at 1:28 AM, Persephone Emerald said:

I'll chill on my weekly stipend, not needing food, without RL worries, and explore SL. I'll also ask my ex-BF & other friends to help me pay my annual Premium fee. They'll do it, because it would be cool to know someone who literally got sucked into SL.

I've been working as a host at different venues for going on 10 years (ish) or so and make an ok income with that. I've also exotic danced in the past(never escorted) and made pretty decent money doing that part time, so I could do that again if push came to shove.  And I also have my own in world store (not sure if I'd be able to shuffle things up to the MP or not) that makes me a modest income. That and the stipend is enough to pay tier and membership I were frugal enough.  I don't think I'd really want for much in lindens, though I might probably sell off part of my parcel to cut tier down some and to make a chunk of money.  I've got a pretty nice spot that would fetch a nice amount. 

[Starberry Passion]

Oh no. lol This is just a nightmare... I would not want to be inside of second life where many people will shun you for many things. And there are trolls and griefers too?! •You have to worry about how you look constantly and getting into places might be barred because you're too old, look too young, too tall, too short even if you're someone's mom or dad or grandparents or Eastern or just have good genetics.

• Then there are some people telling you to eat a cheese burger if you're too skinny for them and some guys who try to oversexualize your body and then you have some women who do the same thing but they'll tell you "It's men doing that." which is a lie, it's just more men than the women doing it, but both do it.

•Then you have to worry about getting banned.

• If you're banned, do you just go into a black void of nothing? Like you can be just chilling on a sim and suddenly a group hate Report you because you're wearing the wrong clothes to your own BBQ and if they succeed, are you just in a void for the rest of your life?

• Then there are Gorean and r*** sims and Vore and Gore sims...

Being stuck in second life sounds like a nightmare.

[Starberry Passion]

15 hours ago, Anna Salyx said:

 

Why do we need to eat?  If we're "stuck in the virtual world with whatever rules the virtual world has", then we shouldn't need to eat.  My avatar does not need to eat, nor sleep, nor breath for that matter.  I can RP these effects as well as needing facilities for what would be politely termed "regular bodily functions". I call shenanigans on forcing food and possible after affects of food on us. 

I get a teleport failure would have a different rule since it's effect is to take us out of game, but you established that we can die and "respawn" 24 hours later at home, so why does crashing from height (which doesn't actually kill since we're made of rubber mesh, but I'll let that pass) permanently exile us to void.  Same with kicking?  Kicking either removes us from the parcel or sends us home to the region.   So I call shenanigans again.

Lastly,  Since we can't leave, then the void space technically wouldn't exist.  Teleport failures would be similar to a death event, just respawn at home.  As for as sim reboot, since we have effectively become an asset on the grid, when the region restart, we'd simply not exist until it was brought back and we, like our rezzed possession would just wink back into existence when the server was brought back online.

My big question, is would changing bodies, shapes, skins hurt.  Oh and I'm a wind up doll.  First thing I'd do would be to get someone to remove my key and turn me back into a "normal" human. 

How do you know it's rubber mesh? Being a Blender user you can make the mesh into flesh, you just need skin painted on/baked on to make it come to life more.

[Anna Salyx]

2 hours ago, Starberry Passion said:

How do you know it's rubber mesh? Being a Blender user you can make the mesh into flesh, you just need skin painted on/baked on to make it come to life more.

Pure speculation from the bounce on "landing".....

edit to add: but then again, it's just the one bounce.... /ponders

fleshy mesh is just kinda disturbing to think about, but there you go....

Edited May 25 by Anna Salyx

[Misa Friller]

Oh my God that would be so fun! I was actually at this garden that my husband and I were in love with, I told him I wanted to move into the game 😂😂😂

 

When I logged off I was a fairy who was doing back flips. Like hell yes I want to be that fairy with purple hair and wings. Please sign me up. Let me run around the forest and fae sims all day, then go back home to my comfy beds (I couldn't pick one!) and garden swing.

 

Now I just need a few cats and I'll be perfect.

 

... What about lag though? LOL

[InnerCity Elf]

Become a cat. Or dragon! Assuming I'd have the L$.

[Lillani Lowell]

Defeat the Hidden Boss.