brodiac90 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 minutes ago, VanVox said: If I was wearing an avatar that I thought might be misconstrued as under 18, I would stay far away from certain "family friendly" playgrounds/beaches, "barely legal" clubs, escort sims, daddy/babygirl venues and adult baby sims. Have LL not closed those places down yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanVox Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 6 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: Have LL not closed those places down yet? No, but there is currently only one person on the "family safe" nude beach. The other sims are more populated but I don't feel comfortable going there to find out if everyone is adhering to the new TOS or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 21 minutes ago, VanVox said: If I was wearing an avatar that I thought might be misconstrued as under 18, I would stay far away from certain "family friendly" playgrounds/beaches, "barely legal" clubs, escort sims, daddy/babygirl venues and adult baby sims. If one is part of those sorts of communities, how long would one be able to either refrain from them and find another outlet or look for another platform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 13 minutes ago, VanVox said: I don't feel comfortable going there to find out if everyone is adhering to the new TOS or not If you do there's nothing to worry about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 13 minutes ago, VanVox said: No, but there is currently only one person on the "family safe" nude beach. The other sims are more populated but I don't feel comfortable going there to find out if everyone is adhering to the new TOS or not I think the longer LL allows those places to stay open the worse it looks for them. Everyone is going to understand there will be some time after the rule changes before the crack down, but how long should that be? After awhile if no action is taken then those who play child avatars might start to think this is just window dressing rather than anything substantial. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, brodiac90 said: I think the longer LL allows those places to stay open the worse it looks for them. Everyone is going to understand there will be some time after the rule changes before the crack down, but how long should that be? After awhile if no action is taken then those who play child avatars might start to think this is just window dressing rather than anything substantial. as 'you" kids have time to adapt, stop kicking if others also get time to get their stuff done, if LL decides to give the TOS date as line for you too you'd all be crying out loud again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliJo Aldrin Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Persephone Emerald said: The sky is not falling. LL doesn't want to ban half their users because some Karen reported them. If you feel concerned, use your own good judgement to decide if your avatar looks sketchy in the environment she's in. I don't think you need to worry though. You could ask the sim officials where you go, if they think your avatar looks ok. They are the only ones who might eject you. LL would not ban your account for this appearance. Would you consider making your inworld avatar look more like your forum avatar, but still with bunny ears and tail? I think she's cute. 😊 Thank you, I think shes beautiful, but i have no idea even how to begin. I’ve never touched a face slider. Edited May 14 by BilliJo Aldrin added words 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: as 'you" kids have time to adapt, stop kicking if others also get time to get their stuff done, if LL decides to give the TOS date as line for you too you'd all be crying out loud again. The two situations are not at all relatable and no one is crying. Please refrain from such provocative statements. 1) Those who play child avatars are waiting on content becoming available. 2) Those sort of places were always dodgy and there was nothing stopping LL then, or now, closing them down. If LL allow them to stay open it makes a mockery of their statements in regards to keeping child avatars safe. I'm not sure what's controversial about saying nudity beaches where both adult avatars and child avatars are naked and sexualised should be closed down is a thing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, brodiac90 said: The two situations are not at all relatable and no one is crying. Please refrain from such provocative statements. 1) Those who play child avatars are waiting on content becoming available. 2) Those sort of places were always dodgy and there was nothing stopping LL then, or now, closing them down. If LL allow them to stay open it makes a mockery of their statements in regards to keeping child avatars safe. I'm not sure what's controversial about saying nudity beaches where both adult avatars and child avatars are naked and sexualised should be closed down is a thing. kiddo.. you were suggest in your post that LL has to ACT on those and wonder why they don't, and want it fast .... You are the one that's playing dirty. Refrain from that or your post is hypocrite 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 12 minutes ago, BilliJo Aldrin said: Thank you, I think shes beautiful, but i have no idea even how to begin. I’ve never touched a face slider. Might have to move to a Catwa head as they appear older/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Alwin Alcott said: kiddo.. you were suggest in your post that LL has to ACT on those and wonder why they don't, and want it fast .... You are the one that's playing dirty. Refrain from that or your post is hypocrite How is what I said hypocritical? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanVox Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 26 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: If one is part of those sorts of communities, how long would one be able to either refrain from them and find another outlet or look for another platform? If it were me, I would probably just adjust my appearance to make it appear more mature, until I was fully confident that no one could judge me as being under eighteen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 46 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: Have LL not closed those places down yet? No. of course they haven't. They were legal under the rules before and they will make whatever minor changes are necessary to remain legal under the new rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 3 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: How is what I said hypocritical? you get 7 weeks to breath and make a solution, while you put the stakes out on others who in your eyes are bannable and should be deleted instantly. That is pure hypocrisy. Just stay away there is safest for you, for sure when you vent these kind of thoughts there also. Edited May 14 by Alwin Alcott 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Just now, Alwin Alcott said: you get 7 weeks to breath and make a solution, while you put the stakes out on others who in your eyes are bannable and should be deleted instantly. That is pure hypocrisy. Oooh, so you're defending the nude family beaches .. Brodiac is expressing frustration that they existed and continue to .. and probably will continue to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwin Alcott Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Just now, Coffee Pancake said: Oooh, so you're defending the nude family beaches .. Brodiac is expressing frustration that they existed and continue to .. and probably will continue to. i'm not defending anyone, just pointing at the hypocrisy by that poster. The frustrations by those little ones is easy to solve ; mind your own business and don't go to places where you don't belong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanVox Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 The existence of 'family nude beaches' should never have been allowed in the first place. Naked children hanging out around naked adults has always been illegal and against the TOS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Just now, Alwin Alcott said: you get 7 weeks to breath and make a solution, while you put the stakes out on others who in your eyes are bannable and should be deleted instantly. That is pure hypocrisy. You do understand the cocnept of mitigating and aggrivating circumstances don't you? It's what judges use when they consider sentencing guidelines for convictions. At the moment there is no option for child avatars to comply with the new TOS. It would be extremely unreasonable to punish someone for something they have no control over. That's a mitigating circumstance. Those who operate nudity beaches should be allowed some time to become aware of the new rules and adjust, yes, I agree, which is what I said in my original post. However, I would argue that these places know and have known that they cross the line for a long time. They now know, or should know, that what they're doing is very much against TOS, yet they carry on anyway. That is an aggrivating circumstance. Being aware of rules and choosing to ignore them is very different to being aware of the rules and having no option to comply. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said: Oooh, so you're defending the nude family beaches .. Brodiac is expressing frustration that they existed and continue to .. and probably will continue to. That poster is pretty extreme in looking to trash any avatar and community that doesn't appear under 10 and plays childishly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Pancake Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said: i'm not defending anyone, just pointing at the hypocrisy by that poster. The frustrations by those little ones is easy to solve ; mind your own business and don't go to places where you don't belong. The problem is the members of the child avatar community who didn't support nude family beaches and wont mind their business and stay away .. ? 11 minutes ago, VanVox said: The existence of 'family nude beaches' should never have been allowed in the first place. Naked children hanging out around naked adults has always been illegal and against the TOS. This is the problem with vague LL rules. They end up needing to clarify and that in turn defines legal edge cases. If people cant stand right next to the line, and that's a problem, the line has been drawn incorrectly. The new rules are actually an improvement in most parts. Problematic nude beaches were standing right by the line and safe, that's why they were able to persist. The new rules remove the nude part and tighten up a lot of other behavior, but that doesn't and wont ever remove the problem, it just changes the dance required to stay legal. Edited May 14 by Coffee Pancake 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luna Bliss Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: 9 minutes ago, Coffee Pancake said: Oooh, so you're defending the nude family beaches .. Brodiac is expressing frustration that they existed and continue to .. and probably will continue to. That poster is pretty extreme in looking to trash any avatar and community that doesn't appear under 10 and plays childishly. If so, you have nothing to worry about.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: That poster is pretty extreme in looking to trash any avatar and community that doesn't appear under 10 and plays childishly. When have I ever trashed anyone? 😦 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 6 minutes ago, brodiac90 said: When have I ever trashed anyone? 😦 All your various comments that reference avatars that might be edge cases, people who have hitherto been able to safely and without fear walk around in any region, owner permitting, and people's RP that might have been a little risque in past. Your attitude in this has been they should all change and grow up so you can stay the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arielle Popstar Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 11 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said: If so, you have nothing to worry about.. Don't you have some blendering to do? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodiac90 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: All your various comments that reference avatars that might be edge cases, people who have hitherto been able to safely and without fear walk around in any region, owner permitting, and people's RP that might have been a little risque in past. Can you provide examples? Also, it's LL who changed the rules not me. People in the child, adult, can't tell thread posted their photos seeking feedback. If you look at that thread youll notice I haven't reacted to any of the photos. I'm a child avatar and won't be in adult sims, what I think is pretty much irrelevant. 8 minutes ago, Arielle Popstar said: Your attitude in this has been they should all change and grow up so you can stay the same. Whether I think they should age up or not is irrelevant. It's LL who will be judging not me. I've also stated on numerous occasions that child avatars should follow the rules, and have accepted on more than one occasion that I will have to change my avatar (new skins with modesty layers at the very least). If Tweenster don't update then I'll need to get a new avatar and entire wardrobe of clothes. Everyone must take reponsibility here. Whether it's your intention or not, it sounds to me like you're annoyed borderline edge cases are no longer allowed in adult land. Edited May 14 by brodiac90 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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