Hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere.

[Peggy Paperdoll]

You might want to get out your dictionary.  A judgement is not an opinion.  A judgement can be based on an opinion........or facts.  An opinion can be nothing more than a feeling.........or an opinion can be based on facts.  Yeah, they are similar........but they ain't the same.

[Peggy Paperdoll]

"Properly sized" as to what standard?  SL or RL?

 

My bet, in the context of a RP sim in SL, it's to the SL standard.

[Dresden Ceriano]

There's nothing in the TOS that says child avatars can't be in adult rated sims, what it does say is that child avatars cannot be in adult situations, that includes around adult objects... link. If you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about and anyone that tells you you are can go **bleep** themselves. If they own or have rights to police the sim you're on, go somewhere else. Simple as that.

...Dres

[Dogboat Taurog]

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Penny Patton wrote:

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Peggy Paperdoll wrote:

Perhaps it's where you hang out or who you hang out with..........or maybe it's your attitude.  I don't know, but since I'm shorter than you and I've never had a problem (never been AR'd or even questioned) I'm taking this thread as some attempt at drama or that you are not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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 Like I said in my previous post, it's not nearly as bad these days as it was a few years ago, but you still occaissionally run into overreacting idiots, harassing any avatar under 6'8". You mostly see it in adult sims, but I've also seen it in moderate sims.

 Just yesterday I was in an RP sim where someone was complaining about a "child avatar". Turns out it was because the avatar was only 5'5", otherwise nothing childlike about them. Even more annoying, the sim this occured in actually promotes properly sized avatars, so 5'5" is the ideal height for an adult, female avatar.

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the guys are normally 7 foot tall the women 6 foot 6, (average in sl for adults) its an amazon world.

rooms are generally 5 metres high and the furniture is scaled to suit.

5'5" is a 10 year old in Amazonia.

[Serafuku]

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Peggy Paperdoll wrote:

You might want to get out your dictionary.  A judgement is not an opinion.  A judgement can be based on an opinion........or facts.  An opinion can be nothing more than a feeling.........or an opinion can be based on facts.  Yeah, they are similar........but they ain't the same.

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*Dusts of her dictionary*

Erm..

2.judgement - an opinion formed by judging something;

3.judgement - the cognitive process of reaching a decision or drawing conclusions

5.judgement - the capacity to assess situations or circumstances shrewdly and to draw sound conclusions

7.judgement - the act of judging or assessing a person or situation or event;

And now for the interresting part;

1.judgement - the legal document stating the reasons for a judicial decision; "opinions are usually written by a single judge" legal opinion, opinion,

 

In conclusion a Judgement in law a legal opinion (Since it does base on a principle you draw your assets from, like the LL ToS. It's still an opinion though.) and for everything else it's still an opinion as I clearly stated above.

But this is rather silly and I don't want to go into nitpicking, so let's ignore this for now and go back to what I intended this thread to be.

 

 

And Dogboat is pretty much right, including myself and a couple of others that have mentioned it; SL is an amazon world. You have to adapt to the sizes, but due of this and harassment, people gradually keep making more max height characters and in effect the world has to adapt with a better object scaling. So smaller avatars get more frowned upon apparently.

[Vladi Hazelnut]

My advice, tell them to F off. This has been beaten to death and LL not only allows child avatars and playing opposite genders they actually encourage it.

Last I knew unless they come out with new standards that I have not been informed about child avies can go anywhere on the grid if you are age verified. What you can't do is engage in lewd or pornographic acts. So no incest role play and the like. However if you are a teen in real life you are restricted to where you can go.

Let them report you, LL won't do anything about it, hell they probably won't even read it lol. And if someone keeps bothering you about it report them for harrassment.

And there is always the mute button.

And from the sounds of it, you are not playing as a child anyway, so double screw em. Just ignore them and do your own thing. Sl is a big place with plenty to do. If you like cars and racing you are more than welcome to come to our sim. We don't care if you are tall short, a furry, a tiny, a dragon or whatever. Heck sometimes I am all of that in the span of a week lol.

[Peggy Paperdoll]

Sooo...........when someone says "Who the hell are you to make a judgement?", they really saying "Who the hell are you to have that opinion?".

 

Makes sense in some perverted way I suppose...........but that's just my "judgement".  :matte-motes-big-grin-squint:

[Penny Patton]

 

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Peggy Paperdoll wrote:

"Properly sized" as to what standard?  SL or RL?

 

My bet, in the context of a RP sim in SL, it's to the SL standard.

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Properly sized would mean realistic human standard.

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Dogboat Taurog wrote:

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Penny Patton wrote:

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Peggy Paperdoll wrote:

Perhaps it's where you hang out or who you hang out with..........or maybe it's your attitude.  I don't know, but since I'm shorter than you and I've never had a problem (never been AR'd or even questioned) I'm taking this thread as some attempt at drama or that you are not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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 Like I said in my previous post, it's not nearly as bad these days as it was a few years ago, but you still occaissionally run into overreacting idiots, harassing any avatar under 6'8". You mostly see it in adult sims, but I've also seen it in moderate sims.

 Just yesterday I was in an RP sim where someone was complaining about a "child avatar". Turns out it was because the avatar was only 5'5", otherwise nothing childlike about them. Even more annoying, the sim this occured in actually promotes properly sized avatars, so 5'5" is the ideal height for an adult, female avatar.

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the guys are normally 7 foot tall the women 6 foot 6, (average in sl for adults) its an amazon world.

rooms are generally 5 metres high and the furniture is scaled to suit.

5'5" is a 10 year old in Amazonia.

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In SL land is a finite size and prims are limited to 10m to a side. So, land is "larger" relative to a 5'5" avatar than it is to a 6'6" avatar. Moreso compared to the 7-9' tall avatars that make up the bulk of SL's population. Giant avatars combined with poor camera placement lead people to upscale environmentsz to double size or larger, which effectively makes a sim 1/4 it's size compared to one where everything is done to proper scale.

To put it simply, larger avatars pay more for less.

[Serafuku]

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Peggy Paperdoll wrote:

Sooo...........when someone says "Who the hell are you to make a judgement?", they really saying "Who the hell are you to have that opinion?".

 

Makes sense in some perverted way I suppose...........but that's just my "judgement".  :matte-motes-big-grin-squint:

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Prejudice is no fun matter! :matte-motes-crying:

 

But like said, thank you for your messages everyone, I'm going back to 173 cm and not care anymore what others say #census.

[Dogboat Taurog]

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Penny Patton wrote:

 

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Peggy Paperdoll wrote:

"Properly sized" as to what standard?  SL or RL?

 

My bet, in the context of a RP sim in SL, it's to the SL standard.

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Properly sized would mean realistic human standard.

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Dogboat Taurog wrote:

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Penny Patton wrote:

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Peggy Paperdoll wrote:

Perhaps it's where you hang out or who you hang out with..........or maybe it's your attitude.  I don't know, but since I'm shorter than you and I've never had a problem (never been AR'd or even questioned) I'm taking this thread as some attempt at drama or that you are not telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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 Like I said in my previous post, it's not nearly as bad these days as it was a few years ago, but you still occaissionally run into overreacting idiots, harassing any avatar under 6'8". You mostly see it in adult sims, but I've also seen it in moderate sims.

 Just yesterday I was in an RP sim where someone was complaining about a "child avatar". Turns out it was because the avatar was only 5'5", otherwise nothing childlike about them. Even more annoying, the sim this occured in actually promotes properly sized avatars, so 5'5" is the ideal height for an adult, female avatar.

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the guys are normally 7 foot tall the women 6 foot 6, (average in sl for adults) its an amazon world.

rooms are generally 5 metres high and the furniture is scaled to suit.

5'5" is a 10 year old in Amazonia.

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In SL land is a finite size and prims are limited to 10m to a side. So, land is "larger" relative to a 5'5" avatar than it is to a 6'6" avatar. Moreso compared to the 7-9' tall avatars that make up the bulk of SL's population. Giant avatars combined with poor camera placement lead people to upscale environmentsz to double size or larger, which effectively makes a sim 1/4 it's size compared to one where everything is done to proper scale.

To put it simply, larger avatars pay more for less.

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agreed, and you have a valid point.

an interesting idea was put forward years ago, if people were bred to be half the size then the world wouldnt be overcrowded and there would be food for everyone.

 

[Kolby Nissondorf]

Im sorry you feel this way!

Hope it all works out, although I don't have a solution
-K

[Mayalily]

From your OP here you don't actually sound like you are child avi?

However, child avi's are controversial and can bring a person wanting to be a child avi some grief or problems, just like in my case I'd like to wear a LEGALIZE MARIJUANA NOW t-shirt, but it's controversial and may hit a nerve with some people who are against legalized marijuana, so I thought why create controversy when it's not really needed or may create added stress. No one wants added stress in their life, I certainly don't.. so it's not a big deal if I lose out on wearing my LEGALIZE MARIJUANA NOW t-shirt.

I personally don't see a reason for child avi's to be on SL, except in an appropriate setting such as with a rl Mom and Dad enjoying a circus type G rated sim or something like that. 

Reason:  I go clubbing and children do not go clubbing, so it kind of ruins the reality the sim is trying to simulate.   If it's a family get together type of sim dance club; that's different, but imo should be general only and include children to grandparents and every age inbetween 'cuz that may be your rl family, and they want to get together on SL. 

 

[Gabby Pixelbottom]

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Dogboat Taurog wrote:

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Gabby Handrick wrote:

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Dogboat Taurog wrote:

which is one of the reasons child avatars should be banned, or at least banned from Adult or Moderate land,

you want to act like a child? do so in the appropriate setting.

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Who in the heck are you to make a judgement like that? It is up to Linden Research to decide what is appropriate and where, not you. Of course it has been made clear that child avatars are not allowed to participate in age play, this is certainly as it should be but beyond that why can't people just let others enjoy SecondLife the way they like? You have no right to impose your "so called morality" on anyone else, if you don't like what someone does (and it is not against TOS) then just remove yourself from the situation and find somewhere else to spend your time.

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i  am Dogboat Taurog and i have as much right to state my opinion as you do.

its my world also.

child avatars, lolitas and japanese fan teens all have the same thing in common in SL and its creepy.

 

 

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You specifically said "you want to act like a child? do so in the appropriate setting."

This is not an opinion, it is a directive, you are telling the poster how they should live their SecondLife. Perhaps you don't understand English enough to know the difference? If you believe the TOS should be changed that is something we can have an honest debate about (or you can bring it up with Linden Research), but telling people they must behave in a certain way goes beyond opinion and borders on harrassment in my opinion.

[Dogboat Taurog]

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Gabby Handrick wrote:

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Dogboat Taurog wrote:

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Gabby Handrick wrote:

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Dogboat Taurog wrote:

which is one of the reasons child avatars should be banned, or at least banned from Adult or Moderate land,

you want to act like a child? do so in the appropriate setting.

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Who in the heck are you to make a judgement like that? It is up to Linden Research to decide what is appropriate and where, not you. Of course it has been made clear that child avatars are not allowed to participate in age play, this is certainly as it should be but beyond that why can't people just let others enjoy SecondLife the way they like? You have no right to impose your "so called morality" on anyone else, if you don't like what someone does (and it is not against TOS) then just remove yourself from the situation and find somewhere else to spend your time.

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i  am Dogboat Taurog and i have as much right to state my opinion as you do.

its my world also.

child avatars, lolitas and japanese fan teens all have the same thing in common in SL and its creepy.

 

 

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You specifically said "you want to act like a child? do so in the appropriate setting."

This is not an opinion, it is a directive, you are telling the poster how they should live their SecondLife. Perhaps you don't understand English enough to know the difference? If you believe the TOS should be changed that is something we can have an honest debate about (or you can bring it up with Linden Research), but telling people they must behave in a certain way goes beyond opinion and borders on harrassment in my opinion.

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yep i give up you are right i am wrong kthanxbye.

[Genn Moderator]

Please keep the OP in mind when posting on this thread, and try to stay on topic. 

 

Also, keep responses civil. We've been receiving complaints about this thread, so please stop with the personal attacks and commentary or warnings will be issued and the thread will be locked.

Thanks!

[Storm Clarence]

@Dres I enjoy you and your posts.  As Pep once wrote to me: cool off, 'we' see it for it's worth.

It's Dogboat!

 

[Void Singer]

as has been stated a million times in a million places, child avatars may occupy any type of land there is as long as their account can access it, period.

there ARE however limitations in that they can't be engaged or involved in any activities that can ONLY be engaged in on moderate or adult lands.

but Dogboats position is naive at best, adult (or even moderate) land rating is not the same as adult or moderate content or activities.... the land owner has the right to set the standards for behavior and content as low as they like, or as high as the land rating allows, along with any special limitation they feel like. Land Rating != Content != Activities

 

unfortunately for the OP, that also means if the land owner doesn't like you, your avatar, the viewer you use, or just feels like being and ass, they can ban you for any reason they see fit, or often none at all if their reasons might run afoul of community standards. when you find places like that feel free to avoid them like the jerks they are and tell all your friends about it too.

[Dogboat Taurog]

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Storm Clarence wrote:

@Dres I enjoy you and your posts.  As Pep once wrote to me: cool off, 'we' see it for it's worth.

 

It's Dogboat!

 

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don't tempt me boy.

[Dogboat Taurog]

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Void Singer wrote:

as has been stated a million times in a million places, child avatars may occupy any type of land there is as long as their account can access it, period.

there ARE however limitations in that they can't be engaged or involved in any activities that can ONLY be engaged in on moderate or adult lands.

but Dogboats position is naive at best, adult (or even moderate) land rating is not the same as adult or moderate content or activities.... the land owner has the right to set the standards for behavior and content as low as they like, or as high as the land rating allows, along with any special limitation they feel like. Land Rating != Content != Activities

 

unfortunately for the OP, that also means if the land owner doesn't like you, your avatar, the viewer you use, or just feels like being and ass, they can ban you for any reason they see fit, or often none at all if their reasons might run afoul of community standards. when you find places like that feel free to avoid them like the jerks they are and tell all your friends about it too.

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i think you are the naive one here, my position is my position and you cant argue with it.

you can only at best disagree and that is your prerogative.

eta some people dont like the idea of child avatars in adult land, i think its understandable.

i dont want to go to a music club on adult land to see child avatars.

ill make a deal with you, i wont hang around playgrounds, and child avatars can stay away from adult land.

hows that?

 

[Dresden Ceriano]

Awww thanks Storm... I truly appreciate you saying so.

...Dres (Btw: that isn't a rocket in my pocket... lol.)

[Storm Clarence]

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Dogboat Taurog wrote:

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Storm Clarence wrote:

@Dres I enjoy you and your posts.  As Pep once wrote to me: cool off, 'we' see it for it's worth.

 

It's Dogboat!

 

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don't tempt me boy.

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Boy?  But, but I thought you despised child avatars.  

[Mayalily]

5.judgement - the capacity to assess situations or circumstances shrewdly and to draw sound conclusions

 

From your post here, it doesn't sound like your SL is very happy.  So why do you want to make yourself miserable?  Why do u need to be small?  

I copy/pasted No.5 'cuz sometimes we do need to draw sounds conclusions about our actions or behaviors so that we can live a happier life.

I don't really have any answers for you either.  It's up to you to make your SL happier and more fulfilling, I guess is the only advice I can offer. 

 

 

[Dogboat Taurog]

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Storm Clarence wrote:

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Dogboat Taurog wrote:

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Storm Clarence wrote:

@Dres I enjoy you and your posts.  As Pep once wrote to me: cool off, 'we' see it for it's worth.

 

It's Dogboat!

 

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don't tempt me boy.

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Boy?  But, but I thought you despised child avatars.  

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it was meant to be a humourous reference to that film footage you posted.

perhaps you didn't watch it.

shrugs.

 

[Mayalily]

Best of luck with your adventures Serafuku. 

[Pussycat Catnap]

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Serafuku wrote:

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Gabby Handrick wrote:

You don't look like a child avatar at all judging from those pictures, but even if you did it would not give others the right to harrass you as long as you are within TOS.

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Thank you people for your help, I think I can take a breather and calm down without getting worried that I might run into trouble with LL. I'll just ignore a person now if they keep spurting that they report me to LL for staying in an adult sim with a kid looking character. Certainly very helpful.

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Report that person for harrassment both to the landowner and to LLs.

Child AV is a RP people put on. Not a setting on the avatar-size dial.