Looking For Answers For Two Inquiries:

[IbNuckinFutz]

1st? Has anybody within the Second Life community heard of or know of a group, a person or people that specialize in not only marketing and promoting up and coming new/current groups/regions. 2nd? anybody within the Second Life community heard of or know of a group, a person or people that specializing in assisting others in finding certain items on items and/or Second Life resources (landscapers, interior designers, DJS and so on and so forth)? Another reason I'm asking isn't specifically because I am looking promotional marketing or needing help finding things. It is primarily because before starting up a Second Life company that would specialized in a combination of both types of usefulness and I'd like to know if there is something like that what I'm wanting to start up already exists with in Second Life.

[Quistess Alpha]

I know I've seen an add for something very similar to that 6 months to a year ago in the inworld-employment or wanted section, but I can't seem to find them through any reasonable search, so there's definitely room for competition.

[Charlotte Bartlett]

So you want to know if there is already a service that finds things and services before you set up a service that finds things?  Joking aside, can I ask why you would want to do this?

Most brands don't use marketing services, they use the regular channels and gradually grow their own followers.
For exposure Events (and event websites) that's saturated already.
For products there are also aggregation feeds that come via Flickr, Facebook, Blogs, Instagram etc and showcase new releases etc.
If you mean for a private client who shows you a picture from Pinterest or something and it's your job to go and find a SL version of it - not sure how profitable that would be as most items cost a few bucks max, so even if they paid you 20% commission your time would not be compensated for.  But if you were then also styling the person - perhaps?
For new Groups, Regions etc - that one I don't know about.
For resources like decorators etc most people in Facebook Groups etc or by following blogs/Flickr etc find them there - I have not seen an aggregation of service providers because I don't use them so worth perhaps seeing if you can find something there if there is a gap. (Like an Angie's List?)

 

[Qie Niangao]

26 minutes ago, Charlotte Bartlett said:

So you want to know if there is already a service that finds things and services before you set up a service that finds things?

No wonder all such services die: Nobody can find them!

[SpiritSparrow Skydancer]

8 hours ago, IbNuckinFutz said:

1st? Has anybody within the Second Life community heard of or know of a group, a person or people that specialize in not only marketing and promoting up and coming new/current groups/regions. 2nd? anybody within the Second Life community heard of or know of a group, a person or people that specializing in assisting others in finding certain items on items and/or Second Life resources (landscapers, interior designers, DJS and so on and so forth)? Another reason I'm asking isn't specifically because I am looking promotional marketing or needing help finding things. It is primarily because before starting up a Second Life company that would specialized in a combination of both types of usefulness and I'd like to know if there is something like that what I'm wanting to start up already exists with in Second Life.

Just wanted to say, as a person with dimensioning eyesight, I appreciate your font choice. Reading it on my phone, as I often do.. it makes it easer to read, I have no other comment or suggestions..

[Quistess Alpha]

37 minutes ago, LittleSparrow Skydancer said:

Just wanted to say, as a person with dimensioning eyesight, I appreciate your font choice. Reading it on my phone, as I often do.. it makes it easer to read, I have no other comment or suggestions..

if it's really an accessibility issue for you, most web-browsers let you override website's fonts. For example in Firefox you can play with preferences->general->(scroll down to)fonts->advanced. 

[IbNuckinFutz]

Charlotte Bartlett: Jokingly aside as you may have been, I didn't find it remotely jocular. Nevertheless, I shall be straightforward with explaining the reason why I'm wanting to start up a duality services of marketing promotion and finding things. I want to start off by first saying, that I can curve that there might be those who use mainstream marketing tactics such like Facebook and/or their own personal websites or word of mouth or whatever. But perhaps for most who may or may not be computer illiterate or tech savvy trying to do such a search for particular SL services might be somewhat vexatiously tedious to the point of frustration, especially when they may not have the best of patience to do as such. 

I'll use myself as in two examples; So some time ago I went about searching for things on the marketplace for my avatar and/or my region, overtime it became frustrating to try to find what I was looking for, though overtime I was able to find what it is I was looking for prior. Another example is when I was trying to find a landscaper to assist with terraforming my new region, due to personal reasons I didn't really want to as such, yet I wound up doing it myself anyhow. Why? Well simply because I couldn't find a landscaper to assist me. Even with the aid of using the knowledge base resource link (which was sent to me by a Linden). In the knowledge base it has listings of actively responsive specialist, including landscapers and other specialists. Yet when I reached out to said landscaper never message me back. So little too no avail was the knowledge base resource link helpful whatsoever, at least in that particular case. Another example has nothing to do with me at all, but rather a friend of mine on second life. He was trying to find a particular type of bumper boat that had a water cannon mounted to it, for the like of him he couldn't find one and was very annoyed he couldn't find such a particular item, yet after some searching I was able to find him that particular item. Therefore since I'm really adept at finding almost anything, I'd like to offer my talent for those who are needing it.

And the reason I so desire to promote/market searching groups is because there are an insurmountable number of groups and regions within the Second Life's Destinations Directory, yet too many to count are not as prevalent or known about by most second lifers simply for the fact that the SL viewers Destinations 'What's Hot Now' or 'Editors Pick' seem not promote newer groups or lesser known groups as often as they do other certain groups. Hypothetically, those who are wanting to be more than just participating avatars and have the desire to start up a group or of their own, may get discouraged and lose interest in doing their group because they don't get the same attention/traffic as other groups that are frequently in the SL viewers Destinations 'What's Hot Now' or 'Editors Pick' limelight. Therefore, I'd like to give the old College try to help find a way to promote either or both up and coming and/or even already established groups which aren't as well known, in the hopes that those groups become more known about and gain some notoriety. 

On another note I'd like to thank Quistess Alpha for her comment(s). Also I appreciate the remark made by both Qie Niangao and LittleSparrow Skydancer. LittleSparrow Skydancer, since I am also a person who is somewhat visually impaired with digital online viewing, I thought it'd be best to make the font as large and as visible as possible in case those who doesn't know about the additional accessibility viewing options.

Edited August 3, 2022 by IbNuckinFutz

[Rowan Amore]

46 minutes ago, IbNuckinFutz said:

Charlotte Bartlett: Jokingly aside as you may have been, I didn't find it remotely jocular. Nevertheless, I shall be straightforward with explaining the reason why I'm wanting to start up a duality services of marketing promotion and finding things. I want to start off by first saying, that I can curve that there might be those who use mainstream marketing tactics such like Facebook and/or their own personal websites or word of mouth or whatever. But perhaps for most who may or may not be computer illiterate or tech savvy trying to do such a search for particular SL services might be somewhat vexatiously tedious to the point of frustration, especially when they may not have the best of patience to do as such. 

I'll use myself as in two examples; So some time ago I went about searching for things on the marketplace for my avatar and/or my region, overtime it became frustrating to try to find what I was looking for, though overtime I was able to find what it is I was looking for prior. Another example is when I was trying to find a landscaper to assist with terraforming my new region, due to personal reasons I didn't really want to as such, yet I wound up doing it myself anyhow. Why? Well simply because I couldn't find a landscaper to assist me. Even with the aid of using the knowledge base resource link (which was sent to me by a Linden). In the knowledge base it has listings of actively responsive specialist, including landscapers and other specialists. Yet when I reached out to said landscaper never message me back. So little too no avail was the knowledge base resource link helpful whatsoever, at least in that particular case. Another example has nothing to do with me at all, but rather a friend of mine on second life. He was trying to find a particular type of bumper boat that had a water cannon mounted to it, for the like of him he couldn't find one and was very annoyed he couldn't find such a particular item, yet after some searching I was able to find him that particular item. Therefore since I'm really adept at finding almost anything, I'd like to offer my talent for those who are needing it.

And the reason I so desire to promote/market searching groups is because there are an insurmountable number of groups and regions within the Second Life's Destinations Directory, yet too many to count are not as prevalent or known about by most second lifers simply for the fact that the SL viewers Destinations 'What's Hot Now' or 'Editors Pick' seem not promote newer groups or lesser known groups as often as they do other certain groups. Hypothetically, those who are wanting to be more than just participating avatars and have the desire to start up a group or of their own, may get discouraged and lose interest in doing their group because they don't get the same attention/traffic as other groups that are frequently in the SL viewers Destinations 'What's Hot Now' or 'Editors Pick' limelight. Therefore, I'd like to give the old College try to help find a way to promote either or both up and coming and/or even already established groups which aren't as well known, in the hopes that those groups become more known about and gain some notoriety. 

On another note I'd like to thank Quistess Alpha for her comment(s). Also I appreciate the remark made by both Qie Niangao and LittleSparrow Skydancer. LittleSparrow Skydancer, since I am also a person who is somewhat visually impaired with digital online viewing, I thought it'd be best to make the font as large and as visible as possible in case those who doesn't know about the additional accessibility viewing options.

Appreciate you not posting in black this time as it's hard to read on the dark forum theme.

I understand what you're trying to do.  However, I really don't think it's a service that many people will be interested in.  We have several sub forums right here where people ask where to find a variety of things.  Most of the time, they come away with a myriad of choices and a thanks to everyone who helped them out.   The Fashion section and the Wanted section are just 2 places where people ask and find.

People also ask questions in groups they are already members of.  

With that said, best of luck in your endeavor.

 

[Lindal Kidd]

Rowan and Charlotte make valid points, and I don't think they are poking fun at you.

There are a ton of ways already available, for free, for finding things in SL. And we need them; there are tens of thousands of places, and millions of user created items. Some work better than others, to be sure -- We've complained for years about how bad the SL Search engines are. But those, combined with help from groups, friends, and forums usually produce results in the end.

So, best of luck in your endeavor, but I think it's going to be hard to attract paying customers.

(By the way, if you need terraforming help again, give me a call. I enjoy it.)

[IbNuckinFutz]

So Rowan Amore what you essentially saying is;  It ain't worth the effort or wouldn't be worth the effort...

Simply for the reason that every Second Life avatar/individual uses this forum or the group that they are part of or word-of-mouth to ask and find things as well as promote themselves? Furthermore, you're also including all non-paid member and all those who may not be computer tech savvy literate, correct? 🤨 If that is actually the case, then I guess that's something to take into consideration in the overall end of my research. But until then I shall see what other replies and/or answers which may or may not contradict or oppose or even give a different perspective about my inquiry. Though I do appreciate your responsive perspective on the matter. By the way, I have no clue what you meant by 'you appreciate me not posting in black'.

[Rowan Amore]

1 minute ago, IbNuckinFutz said:

So Rowan Amore what you essentially saying is;  It ain't worth the effort or wouldn't be worth the effort...

Simply for the reason that every Second Life avatar/individual uses this forum or the group that they are part of or word-of-mouth to ask and find things as well as promote themselves? Furthermore, you're also including all non-paid member and all those who may not be computer tech savvy literate, correct? 🤨 If that is actually the case, then I guess that's something to take into consideration in the overall end of my research. But until then I shall see what other replies and/or answers which may or may not contradict or oppose or even give a different perspective about my inquiry. Though I do appreciate your responsive perspective on the matter. By the way, I have no clue what you meant by 'you appreciate me not posting in black'.

This is what is saw when I read your first post...

[Luna Bliss]

2 minutes ago, IbNuckinFutz said:

By the way, I have no clue what you meant by 'you appreciate me not posting in black'.

If you're gettin into advertising you need to know who you're talking to always.  We're old fogies here mostly, and we have the dark theme on. We can't read black type on an almost black screen.  I think when you copypaste from some word processing software it does that -- makes it black.

[IbNuckinFutz]

10 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said:

Rowan and Charlotte make valid points, and I don't think they are poking fun at you.

There are a ton of ways already available, for free, for finding things in SL. And we need them; there are tens of thousands of places, and millions of user created items. Some work better than others, to be sure -- We've complained for years about how bad the SL Search engines are. But those, combined with help from groups, friends, and forums usually produce results in the end.

So, best of luck in your endeavor, but I think it's going to be hard to attract paying customers.

(By the way, if you need terraforming help again, give me a call. I enjoy it.)

First of all yes I don't contend nor disagree that there are numerous resources that exist and can be found within Second Life. Yet the point I'm trying to make is not all known such resources and information is widely known by every avatar/individual in Second Life. Also on top of that as I've also pointed out people who have their groups or regions which are either relatively new to Second Life are they able to get the word of mouth out because of lack of friends or not knowing the resource to do a search and most importantly not been able to be recognized in the Second Life's viewer Destination search and I am not referring to the destinations guide. We're undoubtedly if one does enough rooting around they'll eventually find a particular group they're looking for. Or more simpler we're doing it is if they type it in they're also find it quicker. Yet from my research talking to a lot of different people in different areas and regions and groups most people don't do go to the search icon to look for groups they just click on Second Life's viewer Destination tab. And unless you got a rather extensive friends list word-of-mouth isn't exactly going to help anybody either in promoting their own group. 

[IbNuckinFutz]

5 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

If you're gettin into advertising you need to know who you're talking to always.  We're old fogies here mostly, and we have the dark theme on. We can't read black type on an almost black screen.  I think when you copypaste from some word processing software it does that -- makes it black.

Well I too am an old fogie as well. And if your dark theme is on then switch it off or adjust the settings and you can what has been written a better better.

[Luna Bliss]

1 minute ago, IbNuckinFutz said:

7 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

If you're gettin into advertising you need to know who you're talking to always.  We're old fogies here mostly, and we have the dark theme on. We can't read black type on an almost black screen.  I think when you copypaste from some word processing software it does that -- makes it black.

Well I too am an old fogie as well. And if your dark theme is on then switch it off or adjust the settings and you can what has been written a better better.

You would have to appear more interesting than you have so far before I'd go to such trouble. Besides, it hurts my eyes and that's why I have the dark theme on in the first place!

[Lindal Kidd]

1 minute ago, IbNuckinFutz said:

most people don't do go to the search icon to look for groups they just click on Second Life's viewer Destination tab.

Interesting. I for one almost never use the Destinations Guide, unless I'm bored and want to visit a random place. I would certainly never use it for a serious search for a product, place, or group.

But the only way to find out if your plan will work is the empirical one: try it and see!

[IbNuckinFutz]

7 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

This is what is saw when I read your first post...

Well if your dark theme is on then switch it off or adjust the settings and you can what has been written a better better. Perhaps it was A SL fluke. Cause I don't know how that happened on your end because it didn't post like that on my end. 

[Rowan Amore]

 

9 minutes ago, IbNuckinFutz said:

most importantly not been able to be recognized in the Second Life's viewer Destination search and I am not referring to the destinations guide.

I'm confused as to what you mean by destination search as opposed to Destination Guide.  Please clarify.

 

 

[IbNuckinFutz]

2 minutes ago, Luna Bliss said:

You would have to appear more interesting than you have so far before I'd go to such trouble. Besides, it hurts my eyes and that's why I have the dark theme on in the first place!

I would share with you my screen pictures about how I use dark theme reader as well but I can't so. How nugatory it is that I am uninteresting to single person or perhaps even more than that....

[IbNuckinFutz]

3 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

 

I'm confused as to what you mean by destination search as opposed to Destination Guide.  Please clarify.

So most every Second Life viewer has a destinations tab within the main part of the viewer under the WORLD tab, where a person can find Second Life destinations readily easily e.g. What's Hot Now, Newcomer Friendly, Editor's Pick and so on and so forth.

[Rowan Amore]

Just now, IbNuckinFutz said:

So most every Second Life viewer has a destinations tab within the main part of the viewer under the WORLD tab, where a person can find Second Life destinations readily easily e.g. What's Hot Now, Newcomer Friendly, Editor's Pick and so on and so forth.

That IS the Destination Guide you can also access from Search.  It only gives...destinations.  If you open Search, you can choose to just search for Groups or Places or People using search terms.

[IbNuckinFutz]

46 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

Appreciate you not posting in black this time as it's hard to read on the dark forum theme.

I understand what you're trying to do.  However, I really don't think it's a service that many people will be interested in.  We have several sub forums right here where people ask where to find a variety of things.  Most of the time, they come away with a myriad of choices and a thanks to everyone who helped them out.   The Fashion section and the Wanted section are just 2 places where people ask and find.

People also ask questions in groups they are already members of.  

With that said, best of luck in your endeavor.

 

 

34 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said:

Rowan and Charlotte make valid points, and I don't think they are poking fun at you.

There are a ton of ways already available, for free, for finding things in SL. And we need them; there are tens of thousands of places, and millions of user created items. Some work better than others, to be sure -- We've complained for years about how bad the SL Search engines are. But those, combined with help from groups, friends, and forums usually produce results in the end.

So, best of luck in your endeavor, but I think it's going to be hard to attract paying customers.

(By the way, if you need terraforming help again, give me a call. I enjoy it.)

 

16 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said:

Interesting. I for one almost never use the Destinations Guide, unless I'm bored and want to visit a random place. I would certainly never use it for a serious search for a product, place, or group.

But the only way to find out if your plan will work is the empirical one: try it and see!

And I plan on doing that but before doing so I'm conducting research. That way I have an general understanding as to whether my idea would be beneficial usefully helpful or not. I mean who knows one way the other if it will will not be. Cause after any idea or venture is just a blind shot in the dark guessing whether it's going to work or not. At least that's my opinion of the matter.

[IbNuckinFutz]

2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:

That IS the Destination Guide you can also access from Search.  It only gives...destinations.  If you open Search, you can choose to just search for Groups or Places or People using search terms.

Unfortunately I'm not able to share images for some reason I haven't figured out why on here but no that is be magnifying glass looking thing you're talkin about I'm referring to the top of the SL viewer where one will find "Avatar - Comm - World - Build- Content - Help" and if you click on the tablet says World scroll down past Resync Animations - Nearby Avatar - Radar - Teleport History - Places and finally Destinations. If it click that one one will discover what I aforementioned previously.

 

[Rowan Amore]

1 minute ago, IbNuckinFutz said:

Unfortunately I'm not able to share images for some reason I haven't figured out why on here but no that is be magnifying glass looking thing you're talkin about I'm referring to the top of the SL viewer where one will find "Avatar - Comm - World - Build- Content - Help" and if you click on the tablet says World scroll down past Resync Animations - Nearby Avatar - Radar - Teleport History - Places and finally Destinations. If it click that one one will discover what I aforementioned previously.

 

I know exactly where that is.  People use SEARCH to find things.  You can search for Roleplay and gets all kinds of things.  Narrow your search to Groups only to find Role play groups.

[Rowan Amore]

It's a toolbar button, easily accessible.  Search.