jujmental Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: Malanya wrote: In this forum people that call another a troll are usually doing the same thing they claim the said troll is. If you don't agree, or you speak up for yourself, people have a tendency to try and turn your words around. If you answer one of their questions all of a sudden you are trying to prove something, even though they asked you. If you ignore their replies then you are accused of something else lol. Then you have the people that are saying things to you in PM's that are afraid to post what they feel on the thread because of how they may "look" to the other forumites. Your insight is refreshing. There is a lot of truth in what you say, Malanya. People accuse others of trolling when they are not, and it happens quite often here. However, this forum does have one actual troll, who has been trolling here for many years, and everyone knows who it is. On the charge of presumptive self-aggrandising hyperbole: GUILTY Obiter Dicta: Presuming to speak on behalf of everyone is delusional and abusive. The Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: Heh. I read your post a few minutes ago, and I'm now in the middle of reading a forum page that someone sent me a URL to, in which a forum troll (this forum) is defending his posts by claiming that he is not responsible " for the inability of others to manage their own emotions." Expanding on that... If I punch your face, it will physically hurt you, but that pain will disappear quickly. If I punch your emotions, by insulting you for instance, it'll maybe hurt a little but not very much. But if I keep punching at your emotions, it'll get to hurt you a lot, and that pain won't heal anywhere near as quickly as a punch in the face. That's exactly what the forum troll has been doing through the years, and it has hurt people a great deal. It's been completely intentional. He has reduced people to tears, he has driven people out of the forum, and so on. All intentionally. Perhaps he never intended to reduce people to tears or drive them out of the forum, but he did intend to hurt their emotions and, in doing it, he did those things. Emotional pain can be much worse than physical pain, and yet, as far as I know, he's never shown any remorse. What he has done is claim no responsibility "for the inability of others to manage their own emotions", when he's intentionally been hitting at those emotions as much as he can, and intentionally giving them cause to need to manage their emotions. It's a despicable and thoroughly nasty thing to do, but that's what he's enjoyed doing through the years. And yet, when someone justifiably hit back some years ago, and hit back very hard, his emotions were badly hurt, so much so that he posted about it all over the threads at the time. Someone struck out at his emotions, just as he'd been striking out at other people's emotions, and he didn't like it one bit - because it hurt. You'd think that would have shown him the emotional effect that he'd been having on people. It did show him but, with the full knowledge of the effects he'd been having, he carried on regardless, and has been carrying on regardless ever since. Intentionally hitting people's emotions, so that it hurts, is a nasty and despicable practise, and anyone who supports or defends it, really needs to reconsider their attitude towards it. Note: No names have been used in this post, so no identity has been disclosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 jujmental wrote: Obiter Dicta: Presuming to speak on behalf of everyone is delusional and abusive. The Judge That's 'obiter dictum' - singular. You only wrote one comment. 'obiter dicta' is plural. I hope that helps in your future cases. It should save you from some embarrassment. We wouldn't want people laughing at the judge, would we? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujmental Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: jujmental wrote: Obiter Dicta: Presuming to speak on behalf of everyone is delusional and abusive. The Judge That's 'obiter dictum' - singular. You only wrote one comment. 'obiter dicta' is plural. I hope that helps in your future cases. It should save you from some embarrassment. We wouldn't want people laughing at the judge, would we? lol On the charge of believing consensus-written Wikipedia rather than a reliable legal source: GUILTY Obiter Dicta: One comment may express many thoughts; one thought may be expressed in many sentences; in your case, you appear to have a life sentence relating to one thought - and it is abusive, contrary to the ToS/Guideline relating to Harassment, by vindictively exhorting others to report an individual's posts. The Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malanya Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: Malanya wrote: In this forum people that call another a troll are usually doing the same thing they claim the said troll is. If you don't agree, or you speak up for yourself, people have a tendency to try and turn your words around. If you answer one of their questions all of a sudden you are trying to prove something, even though they asked you. If you ignore their replies then you are accused of something else lol. Then you have the people that are saying things to you in PM's that are afraid to post what they feel on the thread because of how they may "look" to the other forumites. Your insight is refreshing. There is a lot of truth in what you say, Malanya. People accuse others of trolling when they are not, and it happens quite often here. However, this forum does have one actual troll, who has been trolling here for many years, and everyone knows who it is. I'm glad i am not the only who sees that Phil. I agree, everyone knows who the person(s) is. It's not hard to figure that out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujmental Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: He has reduced people to tears, he has driven people out of the forum, Case dismissed through lack of evidence. Obiter Dicta: Surprise, surprise. Phil Deakins wrote: Note: No names have been used in this post, so no identity has been disclosed. The jury should disregard this, as online there is no such thing as a permanent identity. The Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 jujmental wrote: Obiter Dicta: One comment may express many thoughts; one thought may be expressed in many sentences; in your case, you appear to have a life sentence relating to one thought - and it is abusive, contrary to the ToS/Guideline relating to Harassment, by vindictively exhorting others to report an individual's posts. The Judge I exhort forum users to report the troll's trolling posts - not his non-trolling posts. That's not harassment. If people report posts that contain trolling, as the mods have asked us to do, there is no harassment. If that person doesn't post any more trolling posts, he won't get reported. It's not harassment. All he has to do is stop trolling and he won't be reported by anyone. There is no harassment here. I speak of him in the third person although, in this post, I believe the second person would be suitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: jujmental wrote: Obiter Dicta: One comment may express many thoughts; one thought may be expressed in many sentences; in your case, you appear to have a life sentence relating to one thought - and it is abusive, contrary to the ToS/Guideline relating to Harassment, by vindictively exhorting others to report an individual's posts. The Judge I exhort forum users to report the troll's trolling posts - not his non-trolling posts. That's not harassment. If people report posts that contain trolling, as the mods have asked us to do, there is no harassment. If that person doesn't post any more trolling posts, he won't get reported. It's not harassment. All he has to do is stop trolling and he won't be reported by anyone. There is no harassment here. . What is your problem, Phil? We aren't in kindergarten. If it wasn't for some that *you* call a troll you wouldn't have made any posts this week... you would have fallen asleep reading your computer screen. PS Since when do you speak for the community? PPS Like I wrote the other day, you are beginning to read like a 12yr. old girl who just had her pigtails pulled by the boy behind her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 My problem is that one person sometimes ruins the forum for individuals, and he enjoys doing it. The forum should be a pleasant place where people chat, laugh, write thoughts and ideas, discuss problems, ask questions, etc. etc., and it usually is. But one person is in the nasty habit of insulting people so that their emotions get wound up and,, on occasion, feel forced to leave the forum completely, or get reduced to tears. He knows he does it, and he keeps on doing it, because he enjoys doing it. It's like his playground where ha can bully people. That's the problem that I see. If he stopped doing it, there would be no problem. Now tell me something. You seem to object to me suggesting that people report his trolling posts. Why do you object to troll posts being reported? I would have thought that all forum users (except the troll himself) would prefer it if there were no troll posts - no insults. That's what I'd like to see here. Why do you think they should continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: My problem is that one person sometimes ruins the forum for individuals, Now tell me something. You seem to object to me suggesting that people report his trolling posts. Why do you object to troll posts being reported? 1. Perhaps these hypersensitive individuals should be reported... it is they that 'take' away from the forum experience with their whining and crying. 2. I object because I have not yet figured out the troll posts. What you consider trolling is NOT what I consider trolling. I don't file AR's because I think everyone should have a voice, yes even you Phil and your incessant 'troll' whining flames of the past week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Malanya wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: Malanya wrote: In this forum people that call another a troll are usually doing the same thing they claim the said troll is. If you don't agree, or you speak up for yourself, people have a tendency to try and turn your words around. If you answer one of their questions all of a sudden you are trying to prove something, even though they asked you. If you ignore their replies then you are accused of something else lol. Then you have the people that are saying things to you in PM's that are afraid to post what they feel on the thread because of how they may "look" to the other forumites. Your insight is refreshing. There is a lot of truth in what you say, Malanya. People accuse others of trolling when they are not, and it happens quite often here. However, this forum does have one actual troll, who has been trolling here for many years, and everyone knows who it is. I'm glad i am not the only who sees that Phil. I agree, everyone knows who the person(s) is. It's not hard to figure that out Madelaine! Right? PS That was too easy. Give me another statement to 'figure out'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malanya Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Storm Clarence wrote: Malanya wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: Malanya wrote: In this forum people that call another a troll are usually doing the same thing they claim the said troll is. If you don't agree, or you speak up for yourself, people have a tendency to try and turn your words around. If you answer one of their questions all of a sudden you are trying to prove something, even though they asked you. If you ignore their replies then you are accused of something else lol. Then you have the people that are saying things to you in PM's that are afraid to post what they feel on the thread because of how they may "look" to the other forumites. Your insight is refreshing. There is a lot of truth in what you say, Malanya. People accuse others of trolling when they are not, and it happens quite often here. However, this forum does have one actual troll, who has been trolling here for many years, and everyone knows who it is. I'm glad i am not the only who sees that Phil. I agree, everyone knows who the person(s) is. It's not hard to figure that out Madelaine! Right? PS That was too easy. Give me another statement to 'figure out'. Awwww..nope that was the wrong answer lol. I'll give you a hint.. look on your feed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujmental Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: feel forced to leave the forum completely, or get reduced to tears. No evidence has been presented: GUILTY Obiter Dicta: This is the second offence. I understand there is a principle of three strikes and out for Harassment. The Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Storm. I know you defend him because you and he are friends, so I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it. You have your views, and I have mine. You like to throw in little barbs, such as a 12 year old girl, and I don't. So there's no point in getting into an argument about it with you. But would you please do this for me. It's a sincere request. Will you read my post (#27) in this thread. It's on the previous page. And while you're reading it, just pretend that the subject isn't a friend of yours. Pretend that you've no idea who the person is. And, if you can do that, please tell me honestly what you think of the person - the subject of that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 jujmental wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: feel forced to leave the forum completely, or get reduced to tears. No evidence has been presented: GUILTY Obiter Dicta: This is the second offence. I understand there is a principle of three strikes and out for Harassment. You yourself posted a link to where there is irrefutable evidence of one of those things And I know that the other is also true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujmental Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: I exhort forum users to report the troll's trolling posts On the charge of Harassment, I find you GUILTY Obiter Dicta: There is, as has been pointed out, no offence of "Trolling" in the Tos/Guidelines; you are thus encouraging others to report posts which do not contravene the rules of the Forums. The Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Malanya wrote: Storm Clarence wrote: Malanya wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: Malanya wrote: In this forum people that call another a troll are usually doing the same thing they claim the said troll is. If you don't agree, or you speak up for yourself, people have a tendency to try and turn your words around. If you answer one of their questions all of a sudden you are trying to prove something, even though they asked you. If you ignore their replies then you are accused of something else lol. Then you have the people that are saying things to you in PM's that are afraid to post what they feel on the thread because of how they may "look" to the other forumites. Your insight is refreshing. There is a lot of truth in what you say, Malanya. People accuse others of trolling when they are not, and it happens quite often here. However, this forum does have one actual troll, who has been trolling here for many years, and everyone knows who it is. I'm glad i am not the only who sees that Phil. I agree, everyone knows who the person(s) is. It's not hard to figure that out Madelaine! Right? PS That was too easy. Give me another statement to 'figure out'. Awwww..nope that was the wrong answer lol. I'll give you a hint.. look on your feed.. I never look at my feed before breakfast. The feed has pornographers, pedophiles, trolls, nazis of all kinds, mother rapers, father rapers, the dregs of society... and that's just me posting. Or so I've been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujmental Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: jujmental wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: feel forced to leave the forum completely, or get reduced to tears. No evidence has been presented: GUILTY Obiter Dicta: This is the second offence. I understand there is a principle of three strikes and out for Harassment. 1. You yourself posted a link to where there is irrefutable evidence of one of those things 2. And I know that the other is also true. 1. Unsubstantiated hearsay is not allowable evidence in my, or any other civilised court. STRUCK OUT! 2. Interpretation of personal opinion as factual is allowed only to expert witnesses; you don't qualify. STRUCK OUT! The Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 jujmental wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: I exhort forum users to report the troll's trolling posts On the charge of Harassment, I find you GUILTY Obiter Dicta: There is, as has been pointed out, no offence of "Trolling" in the Tos/Guidelines; you are thus encouraging others to report posts which do not contravene the rules of the Forums. Trolling is a blanket word that covers things that are in the forum guidelines. You need to brush up on the law, judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Deakins Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 jujmental wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: jujmental wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: feel forced to leave the forum completely, or get reduced to tears. No evidence has been presented: GUILTY Obiter Dicta: This is the second offence. I understand there is a principle of three strikes and out for Harassment. 1. You yourself posted a link to where there is irrefutable evidence of one of those things 2. And I know that the other is also true. 1. Unsubstantiated hearsay is not allowable evidence in my, or any other civilised court. STRUCK OUT! 2. Interpretation of personal opinion as factual is allowed only to expert witnesses; you don't qualify. STRUCK OUT! The Judge Then try the one where you yourself posted a link to the evidence (You, the person at the keyboard, that is) Oh, and word of mouth evidence is most definitely allowed in my court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujmental Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: Trolling is a blanket word that covers things that are in the forum guidelines. You need to brush up on the law, judge. The ToS/Guidelines do not mention trolling; it is therefore an unviable concept. PLEA DISMISSED Obiter Dicta: As has been indicated before, one can not transgress a law that does not exist. A rose by any other name is fine for the purposes of literature but has no place in a court of law. The Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Clarence Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: jujmental wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: I exhort forum users to report the troll's trolling posts On the charge of Harassment, I find you GUILTY Obiter Dicta: There is, as has been pointed out, no offence of "Trolling" in the Tos/Guidelines; you are thus encouraging others to report posts which do not contravene the rules of the Forums. Trolling is a blanket word that covers things that are in the forum guidelines. You need to brush up on the law, judge. And you spent most of last week trying to understand a 'blanket' word in the ToS regarding LL ownership of uploaded objects. Blanket words are only good when you want them to be good, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujmental Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Phil Deakins wrote: jujmental wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: jujmental wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: feel forced to leave the forum completely, or get reduced to tears. No evidence has been presented: GUILTY Obiter Dicta: This is the second offence. I understand there is a principle of three strikes and out for Harassment. 1. You yourself posted a link to where there is irrefutable evidence of one of those things 2. And I know that the other is also true. 1. Unsubstantiated hearsay is not allowable evidence in my, or any other civilised court. STRUCK OUT! 2. Interpretation of personal opinion as factual is allowed only to expert witnesses; you don't qualify. STRUCK OUT! The Judge Then try the one where you yourself posted a link to the evidence (You, the person at the keyboard, that is) Oh, and word of mouth evidence is most definitely allowed in my court On the charge of implying the existence of non-existent evidence: GUILTY Obiter Dicta: You are not being tried in your court; you are being trying, and trying and failing. The Judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malanya Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Storm Clarence wrote: Malanya wrote: Storm Clarence wrote: Malanya wrote: Phil Deakins wrote: Malanya wrote: In this forum people that call another a troll are usually doing the same thing they claim the said troll is. If you don't agree, or you speak up for yourself, people have a tendency to try and turn your words around. If you answer one of their questions all of a sudden you are trying to prove something, even though they asked you. If you ignore their replies then you are accused of something else lol. Then you have the people that are saying things to you in PM's that are afraid to post what they feel on the thread because of how they may "look" to the other forumites. Your insight is refreshing. There is a lot of truth in what you say, Malanya. People accuse others of trolling when they are not, and it happens quite often here. However, this forum does have one actual troll, who has been trolling here for many years, and everyone knows who it is. I'm glad i am not the only who sees that Phil. I agree, everyone knows who the person(s) is. It's not hard to figure that out Madelaine! Right? PS That was too easy. Give me another statement to 'figure out'. Awwww..nope that was the wrong answer lol. I'll give you a hint.. look on your feed.. I never look at my feed before breakfast. The feed has pornographers, pedophiles, trolls, nazis of all kinds, mother rapers, father rapers, the dregs of society... and that's just me posting. Or so I've been told. I don't blame you for not reading before breakfast then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dresden Ceriano Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Incessant whining about trolls is the perfect troll bait... I rest my case. ...Dres Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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