What could I use besides Firestorm for iMac

[Pamela Galli]

I just logged in with the new FS and the flashing was so extreme I had to log out. I reinstalled the older version and now it flashes , too.  I desperately need to find something that has the tools I need, but in the past there was nothing for iMac. I do not care about seeing avatars. I just need to be able to do my job.

What I need and have not found both anywhere but FS in the past:

 

1) ability to copy position, rotation, size

2) auto response

[Eric Castanea]

Did you try turning off basic shaders in prefs->graphics?

 

Just a shot in the dark...

[Pamela Galli]

I just did that, thank you, and yes, it stopped the flashing. I did not do a clean install so will try that next. My computer and ATI card do not do well with FS -- it crashes every time I quit -- but I just cannot find anything to replace it.

[Madeline Blackbart]

perhaps coolvl? I think that runs on mac I could be wrong though.

[Ruby Reynaud]

Hi there,

I have an IMAC and the only viewer that was working was Phoenix. I can't run Firestorm or SL viewer. Thankfully Singularity works for me since PHX will be dead if it isn't already. The others just crash  me and I've been round and round with trying to figure out how to get them to work to no avail. Give singularity a try, it might work for you too.

 

Ruby

[Deej Kasshiki]

Meandyou, in addition to your reply being rude and totally non-constructive it also links to a post in the Merchants section that has absolutely nothing to do with the problem being discussed. Perhaps you should practice the old adage "if you have nothing good to say, best to say nothing".

Pamela if you'd like to give Singularity a try you can download the Mac version here. I may be giving that a shot as well since I haven't updated Firestorm to a newer SSA capable version. (I'm hoping the Nvidia card in my MacBook Pro will continue playing nice with Firestorm)

[Bryce Kidd]

I would suggest Singularity Alpha.

The 4114 version doesn't have a very good autoresponse, but the latest Alpha is roaring ahead on features.

[Pamela Galli]

I tried Singularity tonight. I had the same problem as with FS -- flashing -- until I turned off Basic Shaders (which fixes that problem in FS).  Otherwise I liked the look of it. It has the features I want and does not crash every time I quit.

Installing the new FS apparently caused all other viewers to have this flashing. I appreciate the FS people's efforts and their excellent support, but it has never worked well with my computer and ATI card. I can't take the bugginess anymore.

[Awe Thor]

I suggest using Firestorm for a PC. I blame the Mac. Actually I blame you.

Awe . . . And AR those who are flashing you; indecent exposure is not allowed outside Adult sims.

[Orca Flotta]

I just logged in with the new FS and the flashing was so extreme I had to log out.

That sounds pretty much like your GPU just can't cope with your settings, Pamela, nothing viewer related.

My advice ... wait, you don't really wanna hear it, so better close your eyes roundabout in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... now: Get a more spunky computer and stay away from Apple products next time. A pc, capable of running SL on high graphics, mustn't cost the world if you can live without the Apple logo.

[Pamela Galli]

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Orca Flotta wrote:

I just logged in with the new FS and the flashing was so extreme I had to log out.

That sounds pretty much like your GPU just can't cope with your settings, Pamela, nothing viewer related.

My advice ... wait, you don't really wanna hear it, so better close your eyes roundabout in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... now: Get a more spunky computer and stay away from Apple products next time. A pc, capable of running SL on high graphics, mustn't cost the world if you can live without the Apple logo.

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My computer and graphics card are both very powerful but -- I have an ATI card. That is the problem. 

 

I have had nothing but Macs at home for 25 yrs, way too late to change :-)

[Theresa Tennyson]

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Pamela Galli wrote:

I just logged in with the new FS and the flashing was so extreme I had to log out. I reinstalled the older version and now it flashes , too.  I desperately need to find something that has the tools I need, but in the past there was nothing for iMac. I do not care about seeing avatars. I just need to be able to do my job.

What I need and have not found both anywhere but FS in the past:

 

1) ability to copy position, rotation, size

2) auto response

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You might want to try the latest Exodus viewer. The viewer code for Macs is currently being updated from the old "Carbon" Mac development language to the new "Cocoa"  language and I believe Exodus is the first viewer that has an official release with the new code.

[Deej Kasshiki]

Orca and others please stop with the Mac bashing.

I get that you're a Linux person but, not everyone wants to build their own box and tinker constantly with open source software. It's just not for everyone.

[Orca Flotta]

Orca and others please stop with the Mac bashing.

American much? I hardly know any ppl who are so quick to feel insulted and irritated and using completely inappropriate terms to vend. "Bashing" is a kinda harsh description for a friendly remark. I never intended to bash Apple or Mac. If I really wanted to bash something I'd have used different words. And who do you mean with "and others", are there more Mac bashers in this thread? Maybe you wanna send in the army and invade open source land?

Yes, I'm a Linux person, but was a Windows person and even a Mac person before. Loved that funny egg of an iMac until it spent more time in repair than on my desk. Anyway, I never much cared what system I was using. That was until I gained some political awareness. Did you know that AppleOS is based on Open BSD, a Unix derivate and close brother of Linux? All Steve Jobs did was making it shiny and close the code of his variant, so that people need to actually pay money for something that is basically free.

And who says open source users are permanently tinkering with their software? I never do, I just install the system and it works right outta the box. And when I need some specialist software I go to the software manager and install the stuff I need with a single mouseclick. Add  to that the total absence of any voodoo magical wonderprograms just to keep my system happy, as we know them from the Windows ppl: Antivirus? Registry cleaner? Defragger? Speed up? No need for all that chit. I don't even have a firewall, how's that?

Also there is no need to build your own box, how do you got that idea? I just recommend to DIY in order to save money and to get your dream machine, not the prefabs with all their compromises and preinstalled bloatware.

In fact I'd recommend Linux particularly for non-tinkerers, for mom 'n' dad, for the elderly, for the clueless (like me), for all those who just need a working system which never needs any maintenance. Actually Linux is for everyone! And for all those who can live without your misinformation and capitalist propaganda. 

[Orca Flotta]

My computer and graphics card are both very powerful but -- I have an ATI card. That is the problem. 

Not necessarily. There are many many ppl on ATI/AMD who are very happy with their cards. As long as you always keep your drivers up to date and have a fairly decent card from AMD's lineup all should be cool.

 

I have had nothing but Macs at home for 25 yrs, way too late to change :-)

Fair enough. I'm also slow to adapt to new systems, guess why I'm on Singularity. I just couldn't get my mind bent around V2/V3 GUIs. But an OS is a different thing. We hardly ever see it and most of us use it only to open their applications and save files, so I couldn't care less what system is working below that. Was no problem at all switching from Win95 to Mac OS 9.1 and back to Win XP and Win7. Was also absolutely no problem switching to Linux. In my eyes it's all kinda the same and pretty uninteresting anyway. Particularly a Linux desktop like Cinnamon should be right up every Mac user's alley. It's simple and elegant and supermodern if you want but can also look very cluttered and confusing like a badly managed Windows. It's all up to the single user.

[Pamela Galli]

Not all ATIs have a problem, but according to FS support, ATI in general have more problems with OpenGL than Nvidias. I have a 6970, which seems to have problems when other ATIs don't. 

 

In any case I am using Singularity and enjoying it. It has every essential building and business tool I need plus a V 1 interface, and after all this time, it turns out I still find it easier to use than v3. 

[Deej Kasshiki]

Holy crap no need to get all patronizing and insulting Orca. I just made a simple request. (And yes, I am American, no need to start bashing the U.S. as well)

I think YOU'RE the one being super-sensitive here, not me. Your "advice" might get taken more seriously and constructively if you'd take that massive chip off your shoulder.

Also, please show me where I posted anything that wasn't the truth? Linux is more geared towards the technically advanced user and you know it. Most of the clients I work with in my IT business (yes, I'm in the IT industry and have been since the late 1980s) have problems double clicking and following the onscreen instructions of a simple installer but you expect these same people to figure out how to choose a Linux distro, find a secure source to download it, install it, optimize it and/or configure it to work with their particular hardware, troubleshoot, etc? Yeah, sure.

You seriously need to relax. You like Linux, fine. Enjoy. But you don't need to jump into every thread where someone says that they're thinking about buying a Mac or are currently using one and start bashing Apple.

[Ted McGregor]

Hey Deej .. pssst ...

 

 

 

 

 

BOOH !!

 

 

... but, seriously ...  you're right . Maybe Orca's overuse of /bin/bash leaves little room for "thinking different". :robotwink:

 

To Pamela : I downloaded the Exodus-viewer and like Theresa said, it runs perfectly. Was very pleasantly surprised. They have a Mac-version too. Perhaps give that a try instead of Firestorm ?

 

 

[Pamela Galli]

I did download Exodus but seems like I tried it before and there was no Autoresponse, which I need to facilitate Customer Service.  Very happy with Singularity so far!

[Ted McGregor]

Ah, yes. Sorry, forgot you preferred the V1 interface instead of V3 as well.

 

Happy it worked out for you. :robotwink:

[Bhakta Thor]

:matte-motes-asleep-2:

 

I am thinking about getting a MAC  

Seriously, it is hard to decide. When I go to a boutique like Cyberpowerpc and put together my druthers, and then add a good monitor, it is about the same price as a well confitured MAC. I have never had a MAC, but I love my iPad, Apple TV,  and iPhone and it would be nice to have them all play well together without a Google go between. I will do just about anything I can to get rid of SL lag and still wear whatever I want. It is really hard to get good PC help from home and eventually you have to have it (at least if you are like me). Pretty  much the only software that I use these days are GIMP, Blender, Inkscape, Chrome, and Second Life, so probably any of the computers I am contemplating would work fine. But, this is an expensive thing and it has to last at least 3-5 years. Its like a car, you are stuck with it once you get it.

BT

[Czari Zenovka]

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Ruby Reynaud wrote:

Hi there,

I have an IMAC and the only viewer that was working was Phoenix. I can't run Firestorm or SL viewer. Thankfully Singularity works for me since PHX will be dead if it isn't already. The others just crash  me and I've been round and round with trying to figure out how to get them to work to no avail. Give singularity a try, it might work for you too.

 

Ruby

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If Singularity will run on an iMac...I HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend it! 

(I've been hearing a LOT about FS crashing lately from friends, random people in conversations and on the forums.  Did FS do an upgrade lately??)

ETA: Rubs my eyes and realizes I replied to a necro'd post.  Sorry about that; by now I figure you have your viewer issue sorted, Pamela.  I *am* currently hearing a lot about FS crashing though and still wonder about that.

[Pussycat Catnap]

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Czari Zenovka wrote:

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Ruby Reynaud wrote:

Hi there,

I have an IMAC and the only viewer that was working was Phoenix. I can't run Firestorm or SL viewer. Thankfully Singularity works for me since PHX will be dead if it isn't already. The others just crash  me and I've been round and round with trying to figure out how to get them to work to no avail. Give singularity a try, it might work for you too.

 

Ruby

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(I've been hearing a LOT about FS crashing lately from friends, random people in conversations and on the forums.  Did FS do an upgrade lately??)

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More likely the other way around: SL servers likely got an upgrade somewhere. FS tends to only put out new versions every few months, and it has users that are very resistent to change, and so don't upgrade their version of even that as often as it comes out. You're probably looking at people who just have versions no longer fully compatable with SL.

 

[Czari Zenovka]

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Pussycat Catnap wrote:

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Czari Zenovka wrote:

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Ruby Reynaud wrote:

Hi there,

I have an IMAC and the only viewer that was working was Phoenix. I can't run Firestorm or SL viewer. Thankfully Singularity works for me since PHX will be dead if it isn't already. The others just crash  me and I've been round and round with trying to figure out how to get them to work to no avail. Give singularity a try, it might work for you too.

 

Ruby

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(I've been hearing a LOT about FS crashing lately from friends, random people in conversations and on the forums.  Did FS do an upgrade lately??)

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More likely the other way around: SL servers likely got an upgrade somewhere. FS tends to only put out new versions every few months, and it has users that are very resistent to change, and so don't upgrade their version of even that as often as it comes out. You're probably looking at people who just have versions no longer fully compatable with SL.

 

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Good point.  Would that hold true for other viewers as I only hear this complaint with FS?

[Pussycat Catnap]

FS has a rather conservative release schedule. They spend more time between releases than almost anybody else.

But FS's real curse it not its schedule, but its users. A vocal minority of them update VERY VERY VERY slowly. Well I assume they're a minority. But we all know they're vocal. People who will complain about things that FS and other viewers fixed 1, 2 or more years ago...

I think FS's devs recently noted that there were several thousand versions of different viewers connecting to SL in a recent time frame from the announcement. And something like all but a dozen or two of them were different versions of FS and Phoenix...

- They really have, among that vocal subset, the most unusual set of users that frankly must be a curse to deal with.

But even if your copy of FS is current, it might still be a few months behind the official viewer - and LLs might have changed something on the server, which might take time to get out to FS unless they discover it and hotfix it (assuming its one of those changes LLs doesn't tell anyone about).

 

- I'd say, if you use FS, update it everytime they put out anything, no matter how small a change, even if a "minor fix" - if they see reason to put out an update, they're probably right. I don't know if they do do hotfix minor patches, but if they do, in software those are often more important than the big new versions - "minor" hotfixes are usually where critically broken things get fixed.