Porky Gorky

Yay Bournemouth Uni is just down the road from me, well just down the M27 anyway. I remember when it was just a polytechnic, look at it now, a big, posh fee charging uni. Bless it's little cotton socks. ETA - Done btw

Dilbert Dilweg wrote: /me wonders if LL keeps the commissions obtained thru fraudulent sales This is the key issue I think. Everytime LL takes their cut of the "swag" from nefarious products sold on the MP they possibly become complicit to the crime.

Amethyst Jetaime wrote: It is legal because when you joined SL you agreed to the TOS when you created your account. Presumably you read it before you agreed. If you didn't that doesn't negate the fact that you agreed with it and it is now legally binding on you. Here are the applicable provisions from the TOS: How far do you think that TOS will protect LL in an instance where a consumer buys something from the marketplace using Paypal? If LL takes a percentage of that paypal payment and the product is not delivered, doesn't that make them partially accountable for the failed delivery in the eyes of Paypal? We might have chosen to follow the TOS and have accepted LL's complete lack of accountability when it comes to user to user transactions. but would that have any relevance when a product is purchased via paypal? Shouldn't LL be held accountable in that instance? This is just thinking out loud rather than questions aimed at you Amethyst. But if you or anyone else have any answers then go for it.

Kirinn Vollmar wrote: How exactly is this legal? They provide sellers with the marketplace, and yet they can scam people and we're just supposed to ...suck it up and go 'oh well' ? I'm never using the marketplace again. If you purchased the item through the MP and used paypal to make payment then you may be able to use Paypal's buyer protection to get your money back.

Phil Deakins wrote: Here in the UK only the 4 BBC channels are free of advertising. They are funded by the public - we pay an annual TV license fee. All the other channels must have advertisements to fund them. Our ads come every 15 to 20 minutes. There are more than 4 national BBC channels on air in the UK. As well as BBC 1,2,3 and 4 there is also BBC News 24, BBC Parliament, CBBC and my favourite Ceebies. Even with these extra channels the License fee is still a rip off. I spent about 15 years feeling very smug with myself because I thought I had got away without paying the license fee. Then I found out my wife had been paying it in secret every year!!

Marcus Hancroft wrote: Howdy, Dart. I completely agree with everything you've said in this thread. Since it has been against the Linden Lab TOS to link to external, non-SL websites and Linden Lab is now breaking that TOS, may we all now begin linking to non-SL sites as well? How on earth are LL breaking their own TOS? They are the service provider. They do not need to abide by the TOS, they only need to enforce it upon the customers they provide a service to. Selling banner ad space is one of the smartest things LL have done in the past year. It will generate allot of revenue that will help make up the deficit in lost revenue from all the abandoned private sims last year, which is a direct result of the growing dominance of the MP over inworld commerce. As merchants, I would have thought everyone of you would be in support of this move. More revenue for LL means more security and stability for the platform which means you get to go on making money. How is that a bad thing? Don't like the ads, then get an ad blocker. If you approve of the ads then click them, everyday, and help make them work for the lab.

Prokofy Neva wrote: I'd like them to sell the ad space to resident businesses both on their website and in the welcome and infohub areas. I agree and I am surprised that LL have not extended an invitation to SL users directly to buy advertising space on the site. I notice the banner ads do not extend as far as the forums or the MP, so maybe that is a prime place to sell banner ad space specifically to SL businesses.

I imagine a world where LL actively works to protect the IP rights of the thousands of content creators that have built this cash cow for them. If LL want to us to build and create anything we can imagine then it's about time they started protecting that philosophy instead of allowing IP thieves to rape the world of all the best content. LL are indirectly responsible for all content theft. They endorsed the libsecondlife project, they made the code open source, essentially inviting malicious use of the code. Since that point LL have done the bare minimum to ensure that they meet the minimal legal requirement by running only a partially effective DMCA process. It's clearly not enough as evidenced by the massive amount of stolen content that they are currently hosting on their servers, stolen both from within SL and outside. This slogan is meaningless in a world where our creations are not actively protected.

We should all help LL get the most out of these ads by clicking them every time we come to the website. You don't have to read the ad or be influenced to buy the product. Just a click and ignore will do. It all goes towards supporting the world we love (and a bunch of other crappy products).

*Your house could be robbed and items really taken This already happens. My intellectual property has been stolen hundreds of times over the years. *You could be robbed and Ls really taken This already happens through fraudulently sold items on the MP and inworld, Stolen items sold on the MP and inworld and account hacking. All result in the loss of an innocent victims L$ *You could be murdered (Not only on combat sims, but by random acts of violent crime - no starting over, no grace period. Once you're dead, you're gone. The end unless you get a new account.) Second Life would not function. Imagine paying thousands of USD for a sim and content only to loose it all. The only way this could work is if SL had a more efficient police force than any RL city on Earth. Or if the L$ had no real transferable value. *You could contract STDs and suffer the same consequences to your avatar as you would in RL I don't have any genitals so not worries about this one. *You could become pregnant w/out it being an option Again, smooth as an action man down there. Not an issue for me. *You could die/become maimed/injured in accidents, too - like car crashes, falls, etc.(Same no 'do overs' apply here as above). I think this in an interesting idea. It would be cool to have regions where these effects were in place. We could have dedicated alts designed to survive in such environments and it could be really good fun as we all try to injure, maim and kill each other, and of course gain kudos for the most number of kills with the oldest surviving avatar. This could work in specially designed regions like the combat sims, but obviously not across the whole grid.

Hellespont Hoorenbeek wrote: Those ads are a EYESORCE ON MY PERSONAL ACCOUNT INFO!! that is all im pointing out. The amount of time you have spent complaining about the ads in this thread, you could have spent that time downloading and installing an ad blocker. Problem solved and personal crisis (and red caps) avoided.

Firstly,I think you are over-reacting a bit to the security issue. Rather than filing a ticket you could have just come to the forums (as you have now) to see if anyone else had seen the new banner ads. You would have found a couple of threads discussing the topic (as is the case with all LL related news). Secondly, since when has a company selling ad space been bad for business? I doubt this will cost LL any customers, but it will generate them revenue. This is good news for everyone that cares about the continued support and development of SL. I am sure the users of secondlife.com will moan and complain a bit, but we complain about nearly everything, so nothing will come it, and we will all continue on with our second lives. As for Phillip coming back, he never went away, he still sits on the board and can voice his opinion at any time.

Cool thanks, I love their designs, they are awesome.

The words escape me.....

TDD123 wrote: You tried Patterns yet ? :robotindifferent: Saw someone post a link to this in a group chat earlier which I was not aware of. http://lindenlab.com/releases/linden-lab-acquires-blocksworld-2

More importantly why do I even care? Disregard the question. :matte-motes-big-grin:

TDD123 wrote: I had dibs on IBTL some posts earlier :robottongue: What sort of stupid rule is that? You could just say IBTL at the start of every thread. Surely the skill comes from getting the last post in?

Whoa, hold your horses there Sonny Jim. Last post wins.

WHO IS WRITTING THIS BS! Eh? This episode started out strong, tappered off towards the middle and now it's really gone down hill. I hope you guys have a good finale planned because I am this far away (holds up two fingers 2mm's apart in a pincer fashion) from changing the channel.

Griffin Ceawlin wrote: *cough* *choke* *gag* That's what she said.

Dorian Meredith wrote: For me, shopping in world is a tedious, frustrating, extremely annoying chore. I hate the wasted time of standing for 10 minutes or longer waiting for an entire store to rez just to find a single scarf, I hate dealing with the horrid lag in most shopping venues, I hate having to scrounge and search through complicated, inefficient shop layouts to find the one thing I am looking for, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. This sort of mentality from consumers is going to be the death of SL. Sounds over dramatic but I believe to be true. Less demand for inworld stores results in less demand for private sims and mainland and rentals and commercially associated entertainment venues. This lack of demand has already cost LL millions of USD in lost tier revenue in the last 2 years and the rate at which private regions are being abandoned was increasing as of the end of 2012, so the problem looks set to worsen. Anyone who thinks the commission that LL takes on MP sales will make up this deficit is wrong imo Inworld commerce was the backbone of SL and vital to LL's revenue stream and it is being ripped out to the detriment of the entire platform. If we want to reverse this trend then It's not merchants that need to boycott the MP, it the consumers.

Why don't you use shadows Phil. Afraid of the dark?

That's how most of my customer conversations go....have you been spying on me?

Some people are just there to be disagreed with, regardless of what they say.

MissManaged wrote: Hello Porky, While I do agree that the drama is fabricated for entertainment purposes, I feel that it is unfair (I know, I know, what in this world is fair?) that just because one chooses to utilize this application they must be prepared to endure the harassment. You are hardly enduring it now are you? You are embracing it, You have a flair for the dramatic as evidenced by the prose of your OP, your character in this soap opera is the victim, but you are still choosing to play the role, rather than just walking away. You are embracing your character and your part in the drama by launching this spin off show on the forums in which you engage in "banter" with some of your tormentors whilst most onlookers don't really care or are too busy playing "guess the Alt". If you truly are a victim in this scenario then here is some advice, walk away from the feeds and never look back, disassociate yourself from your tormentors rather than just openly inviting them onto your spinoff show here. It's not fair, it's not just, but life rarely is. You have the power to extradite yourself from your current situation in an instance. Yet the show must go on, right?