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  1. @Shockwave Agreed. I've been recently un-converted from an advocate during the last few weeks. Actually it's been a slow process of endlessly defending LL on many points and ending up with egg on my face ... every time. Nevermind making plenty of enemies in the process or the insults of cheerleader, fanboi, Linden alt, etc.

    Agree 100% that it's a structural and managerial problem. Small teams playing masters of the universe while bugs go un-tended, feature requests go unheard (minds are already made up on what they're going to do, the only feedback remaining to give is reporting bugs).

    Lack of management for product, separating overall product managers from development teams. Developers develop, keep them fed and watered and out of the business of business.

    Lack of deadlines ... "anything" takes years to do. I see teams of 25 developers all over the world producing this level of technology at a much faster pace. We liken SL to an "operating system" ... ok.

    Taking too much profit and operating everything on a shoestring.

    Devaluing virtual goods is profitable for LL ... the cheaper it is, the more that can be taken in terms of profit and L$ sinks, more content for them for couch change for others. No attempt at "all" to provide a profitable market for professionals.

    No respect at all for the userbase as professionals. The worst treatment I've ever had as a professional. Not a "pro" anything in sight.

    Getting involved in the world and it's economy ... don't, it belongs to its users, user revenue belongs to users, not LL.

    Related to above, getting involved in the world rather than developing a virtual worlds toolkit. We don't need the dabblings, need you to keep up with the rest of the related technologies that are out there, fix outstandings.

    When you implement a feature, like mesh, make it resemble mesh as it exists out there in the real world. Scripts and size affecting prim count? Or is this a long term attempt at moving from regular prims to mesh that takes even more of a sink out of the user economy, once regular prims are phased into near nothingness? Took 4 years from announcing this to shoddy implementation.

    Stop monetizing, your greed is showing ... seriously. Quit creating small teams that get performance rated by how well they can spam Google, Facebook, create more sinks, get content cheaper. You make plenty of profit ... just knock it off. Long term, it will make here lead to There. If you can't grow the userbase and realize it, fine ... don't suck the life out of the rest of it because you feel that's your best option.

    Create better tools and more profit for your users and spend more money to do it quickly and your userbase will grow. Anshe put you on the map because of the opportunity everyone saw in SL, don't forget that.

    Agree with others that $300/month is too high for the product. Enterprise failed because $50k was absolutely ludicrous for the product. Get over yourself on pricing.

    New Yorker in me says "Yo, masters of the universe, you wanna back down to earth and pick up a shovel?"

    Virtual worlds toolkit, reasonably priced, focus on tools and opportunities for users. Stay out of the world and get the job done. You don't need to get in touch with users as "Resi's", or log in very much, you need to develop the tools and take the simple paths to completion of a polished product.

  2. Last word about votes, I promise, but @prok regarding Jira votes and democracy ...

    You've probably seen this, I know I have many times, on a fairly regular basis:

    User with best of intentions but not correctly understanding an issue says to group: "Hey everybody, this bug makes boxes spin out of control and causes warts on avatars!"

    Group: "That's terrible!"

    User: "Yeah, but here's the link to the Jira to go vote!"

    Group: "What's a Jira and how do I vote?"

    Click, click, click and 10 votes later, the issue is now more popular. Repeat the next day or on a different group for more votes.

    Result, the voting is sometimes the most uninformed of all indicators in the Jira. Not always of course, but often enough that it's a regular occurance. I've already seen a few people advising setting watches and piping email to trash, so they may end up being ineffective indicators if that goes the same way.

    To you, Prok, this is one example of why you don't apply government concepts to business, it's a mis-match. Uninformed voters are also a flaw in democracy that we must live with, but that's another story. Management implementations, customer service and feedback solicitation are entirely different beasts. The lure of virtual worlds is that it makes people think virtually, which is often detrimental to being effective. Virtual or not, companies are not governments and social experiments. (That applies on both sides of the fence, you can never completely escape the need for traditional management, unfortunately).

    One personal peeve I'd like to ask of either LL or the community is to eliminate the "threats" and mentions of other grids. Not only are they not really threats, the bulk of users that they manage to obtain are SL users, and thus they leech off of this world at the cost of all of us. While you may be perfectly right in being unhappy with Walmart, and telling your friends they should go shop/join Sears, it's tactless and a bit impolite to those of us who are happy with Walmart and not interested in shopping at Sears.

    And yelling about Sears ... in the middle of Walmart, doesn't help improve Walmart, sorry to say, or spur Walmart employees and shoppers to positive action.

    Also, as a merchant and resident, I'm not interested in anyone stealing my SL friends and customers to tote them off to a micro clone, as visionary as that might be. These should be generating their own traction, on their own dime, with their own marketing. Also a little business tidbit, if they can't gain traction outside of SL users, it's a dud, ala Purple Jupiter couldn't manage it, even with millions in capital and some decent people who were far more experienced in related industries. You're doubling the work on merchants, the confusion with SL residents, etc. Your own dime, your own time, your own space I say to those grids, k? If you can manage that, you might actually go the distance, but you need to do that on your own, like SL did if you've got the "right stuff".

  3. Well thought out. I've watched votes on Jira's get a bit political and people would often treat Jira's as "hot topics". Jira votes were often fine for those championing a cause, when that "cause" was in line with the majority, but often it was not.

    I've seen some Jira submissions gather votes, then folks move onto the next hot topic and gather more votes for those and on it goes. When a bug report in particular becomes "something else", it's no longer working as a reporting mechanism or gauge of interest.

    These hot topic Jiras in particular I have to say are generally not well thought out, and being unable to vote against them, especially when they're fairly low priority in light of more serious issues but because they're hot topics they're set to higher priority than they need to be, including showstoppers made them useless. Unless you wanted to write some paragraphs in Jira comments explaining this, which would degrade them to something resembling forum posts (which also need serious attention, not exactly nice to folks having a good experience and looking for community. Those tend to drive off the positive folks here to just have fun and they reward bad behavior).

    At least for scenarios like this, watches are are a more sane gauge as people lose interest in one hot topic and move to another. If you're really interested in the long term, you'll set a watch and be interested in what others have to say enough to watch the emails and are probably willing to actively participate in those issues rather than "vote and go".

  4. Whoa, Facebook is blown way out of proportion.

    Firstly, if I'm not mistaken nothing critical is on Facebook that isn't also posted elsewhere. I think every major accouncement ends up being a blog post on the main blogs here.

    Secondly, you don't need a Facebook account if you want to check up on info there, you can view most of that anonymously. Try looking at http://www.facebook.com/secondlife

    So no one is missing out by not following Facebook. The same is mostly true of Twitter, even if something is mentioned on Twitter first, if it's really important, it will be posted on one of the Second Life pages.

    Someone mentioned Google in terms of them being able to manage information, but Google is also on Facebook! Microsoft is on Facebook, most businesses worth anything are on Facebook.

    It would be a sloppy company that didn't try to maintain a presence on these major social networking sites, and the majority of companies get this.

    It would also be a bit irresponsible of LL to not provide it's users who are already on Facebook to not give them a home spot in a companion space that they also enjoy. It may not be your thing, but they are also SL users, like yourself. The only difference is that they do happen to enjoy Facebook. Every other company that they're into provides them that courtesy, why shouldn't SL?

    It's about choices and fulfilling customers needs in a bigger world and internet, and reaching out to people who are already into social networking and saying "hey, we've got this great thing called Second Life and look what we've got to offer!"

    Don't like it? Don't use it. You're not missing out on your SL experience. No harm, no foul.

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    Toysoldier Thor wrote:

    I still think there needs to be the establishment of some form of non-LL  controlled SL MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION.  Where interested merchants can  join and topics of concern can be discussed and even votes to the  membership can take place.  Then this association could also carry these  common issues and priorities to LL with a stronger confidence.  We  would also have more of a voice that LL would find harder to ignore.   Yeah I know... many of you will say "there is no way we can get this  flock of merchants herded together to establish this association.".  We  were close in late 2009 when the clutter tax fiasco cropped up.  I still  see value in this organized group.

    I do like the sound of Focus Group better than User Group. I think that's probably decided at this point though.

    Here's the rub with your merchants associations. We did that back in the boom. We did a BBB and an Even Better BBB and all kinds of experiments with RL -> SL types of businesses, organizations, etc. Most business and merchant representative groups were focused on exactly the same things that are already pretty clearly said by everyone else in forums, Jira, etc.

    This is not to say that they weren't representative, (and a bit redundant) but opposed to a more democratic approach, there was nothing they could really offer or accomplish that the general populace or LL sponsored initiatives weren't also communicating.

    So, the announcement is due out tomorrow I believe about Office Hours and User Groups, let's at least see how that program goes, given some time for LL to experiment with for a while.

    I'd much rather sponsored initiatives and company efforts at controlled feedback than self appointed middlemen, because that's not really representative, and it's always political.

    Calm, focused groups tend to paddle downstream, which is much easier on the arms and it gets you someplace quicker.

  6. @Ciarran and @Rachel

    Sorry about that, I guess I let a personal peeve get mixed in there. My wife and I were in a virtual world type place years ago. It wasn't an adult space, but it didn't take long before some wannabe master was hitting on her even after he knew she was 16. I was furious.

    And that's not to say that a good portion of the Gor type lifestyles aren't chok full of responsible adults that would never do anything like this, because that's also true. As long as there are the exceptions of some fool knowingly hitting on jailbait though, with no job and no life, I think the lowest common denominator needs to be dealt with. The more you push Gor, the more a teen is eventually going to find out that its core element is the slavery bits, because without them, Gor is not much in the way of writing or storyline as RP goes. Failure to face that fact I think is folly.

    I'm more frustrated with LL I suppose, and even though I'll stand by the decision, and it's not likely to be changed, I just refuse to accept SL in general as a place for 16 and 17 year olds. But if they're going to do it, do it right and protect them properly. The logic part is easy though, it's all legal liability. There's certainly not an ethics or morals committee running these decisions

    They created their own liability though, and so we own it by proxy.

    That said, I miss the old days when you never knew what you might find walking through your local SL mall, heheh.

    But right, that whole issue is probably moot at this point and out of context of a keyword discussion, so again, sorry for that. I think the keywords issue is that LL plugged some pre-made solution in there and it's very agressive and needs to be taught what words to allow and of course problems need to be addressed with many items getting plugged into the wrong Maturity Rating.

    I respect all lifestyles, respect Goreans and merchants that may lose sales over this. At any rate, will try to keep that out of the discussion, not that some of the justifications don't make it tempting to interject reality doses.

  7. You're reaching.

    I can use certain "aids" as paper weights on my desk too, but not many parents would appreciate that in a public office.

    And while I'm sure clothed pole dancing is all the rage in some parts, I don't think that's the general association.

    I've shopped for Gor in the past. I knew to also look in medieval, rustic, Roman and a bunch of other things. I also know Gor involves sexual slavery and people looking to hook up beyond SL. That I wouldn't want my 16 year old around. What I do in my personal adult time and what I'd want a 16 year old exposed to are two entirely different things.

    In defense, I'd not let them in at all, personally. We decided to go with PG only a full year before they implemented age verification, not because we particularly liked it, but because we could understand which way the wind was blowing and that there were certain inevitable bits coming as SL grows up. This isn't the first community/world to undergo these kind of changes and be bitten by the need for more protection and rules as they've grown up.

    It's still difficult for us, knowing that we're all adults and yet we have to keep our conversations "clean", even at times when no one would be offended. Don't know, all my life I've had to learn to respect what's proper and improper in whatever space I find myself in. I don't try to justify it with strange arguments like dancing clothed on a strippers pole though

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    Toysoldier Thor wrote:

    This is the actual real example of what I have been trying to say in  my posts.  The whole strategy of black word listing is wrong and doing  it on the most critical and hidden KEYWORDS is even more wrong.

    LL  has absolutely no clue about their own customers.  I am not Gor nor  follow or participate in thier in-world activities... BUT I respect them  as critical base of customers of mine even though I do not sell ANY  items that LL would have categorized my items as sexual, kinky, immoral,  etc.  I sell sculpted landscape terrains and shapes and it is well  known that some of the most beautiful landscaped sims/terrains in SL are  in the Gorean & Medieval sims.  For me to ignore marketing my ROCKS  to the Gorean population would be utterly stupid.

    But now with LL  black-balling major SL cultures like the Goreans, they hurt many of us  Merchants in our ability to sell to them effectively in SLM.

    As  for LL itself, they are giving the Gorean cultures yet another big  reason to leave SL and set up their sims, lands, shops, and all their  spending on SL competing grids.  This is already happening now and we  all know which grid is growing fast because of LL's policies and  failings.  I set up my shop in this competing grid as did many of you  fellow merchants as we want to follow our customers.

    Again LL -  yet another wise move by you on finding more ways to write your own  demise - your compeititors could not do more to help you.

    A disclaimer that on a personal level I would be perfectly fine with an SL without minors at all. However I do see the strategy and the bonus of teen/family "friendly" world, and that the overall market is a bigger one, rather than a smaller niche world like a certain red light world some of us are familiar with. Being work-safe and teen-safe makes for a larger world with more varied interests, in many cases promoting interests beyond just entertainment. So in that sense I'm behind it.

    Also not against Gor of course, but what is the problem understanding the connections between "innocent" items and adult activities? I heard someone just mention in world "omg, dance poles are flagged adult and they don't have anything explicit in the pics". Am I the only one that can connect the dots that dance poles are a strip club item, and while an innocent hunk of metal in itself, doesn't mean I should be promoting stripping to a 16 year old minor? (Yes minor, here in the US, meaning that it's illegal for a minor to gain access to a strip club in RL).

    Many aspects of Gor are innocent, contain great roleplay elements and are not "evil". A campfire is nothing in itself. A rag, or a free-womans gown is nothing in itself. And yet the roleplay consists of alternative lifestyles which carry over into RL activities and relationships, promote slavery that is of a sexual nature (implied where not explicit). I could tear most of the pages from the Gor books out, place them before you and the majority of them would have nothing at all adult or suggestive in them. And yet here in the US in some stores (such as Barnes and Noble) you will find the Gor books in the adult section. Is this really that hard to grasp that it's not the item, it's the thing the item lends itself to. If you're promoting a Gor item, you're indirectly promoting the whole of the Gor "lifestyle". If you sell a dance pole you're indirectly selling and promoting stripping. It's that simple.

    It's not always a fun issue to deal with, this liability and protection thing, but if we're adults having an adult conversation can we at least behave like adults on the issue instead of sounding like a caught teen and saying "what? I was only ..."

    On the subject of other grids, you need to quit with this. Besides breaking the guidelines by mentioning them, I know you can't wait for some magical world to spring up, be volumes better than SL and magically steal all the SL residents. Punishment to LL for not making you the kind of sales you think you deserve here and that's nice for you. But it's extremely rude to your "fellow merchants" to try to siphon users/customers/sales from here to another place. Many of us are committed here. We're not interested in the symbiotic relationship between opensim clones and SL. They will always be leeching off the SL userbase, because they can't market their way out of a paper bag to users outside of SL. I notice that you're not willing to make that break from SL in order to make a few bucks on another grid until all your money opportunities dry up in SL, but you are willing to take my customers from SL to make a few extra bucks in another world. How considerate of you to your fellow merchants. The few hundred active users on other grids are not and will never be a threat. Personally I'd love to see the viewer source closed, and compatibilies between opensim and SL closed for good, if you people are going to continue to leech off the SL userbase, though. Not doing me or your "fellow merchants" any favors there. Good luck with your whopping concurrency of a few hundred at best, maybe you should fully commit.

    But as you said earlier, your rocks are not at all affected by this ratings policy. If you want to sell other grids, do it in your own space on your own dime. But I've got a feeling if you weren't selling people on other grids to SL users, you'd have a concurrency of 5 rather than 300 on them. Assuming any of them are up to 300 concurrency.

  9. Exactly so. And even regardless of publicity is legal liability. Can't be avoided, must be done.

    There's protection for both legal minors AND merchants in this, the better it's implemented.

    Which means of course keywords factor into it, and descriptions and anything else that points to something that might incur legal liability. I know some merchants probably aren't concerned about this aspect of it, but you surely would if it were to bite you. Or if it were to bite LL in a such a way that all adult content were to be removed in response to these kind of problems after the fact.

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    Mickey Vandeverre wrote:

    Yes or No question.  Will assume No.

     

    Selling life preservers to Titanic victims is only profitable if you can convince them that they're sinking. Otherwise you work for tips. But either way, the band plays on

    I have a desk lamp that I put a Gor keyword on to check something for a poster here and forgot to remove it. Checking up on that will be an interesting experiment. Back later.

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    Ciaran Laval wrote:

    Yes, I can understand why the keyword discussion was deleted, although  it really does highlight why an account verified forum would be useful,  adult merchants and users could do with a place to discuss issues and  not being able to raise these issues with LL via the forums is somewhat  disappointing.

     

    Great point, whether some of the forums could be tied into adult accounts and/or Maturity Ratings.

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    Mickey Vandeverre wrote:

    If that were the case, then there would be ZERO threads running in the General Discussion area 

    Heheh, true. Then again, this is all relatively new, and we're only seeing the results of one teams adaptation to teen integration. Would expect to see more consistency with Marketplace, in-world and general content across the board. Of course that may not happen either.

    Either way personally, and drama and questions of ratings and content, morals, ethics and all that rot aside, from a business standpoint, the less liability the better for everyone.

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    TatianaDokuchic Varriale wrote:

    Mickey Vandeverre wrote:

    Can't find the keyword list that people were working on at all.  Would like to know where that went - was helping some people out there.

    I think the keyword list discussion "Censorship Keyword List" has been removed.  I replied to it and it no longer shows in my Recent Activity.  Go figure.

     

    Public parts of LL properties are considered General by default, including the forums. Discussions that themselves push the limit of General will most likely get put here, assuming more adult conversation is allowed in the Merchants Roundtable.

    Something like the keywords list would most likely get deleted because it is in itself, not General by mentioning adult words and thus violates the rating to the forums themselves. I'd expect post content to at some point also come under the Maturity Ratings.

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    Gavin.Hird wrote:

    Will these guidelines be detailed enough to also apply to goods sold in-world? I mean there is no point i locking them out of the marketplace if they can purchase the "forbidden fruits" in-world.

    Edit: It will seriously disadvantage marketplace merchants if the same goods can be traded on G parcels, yeah?

    This is a good point, not so much that it's "not" covered in world by the maturity ratings here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Maturity

    But that is a bit location/activity centric and doesn't so much cover "things" as content as much as imply it. This is a good chance to tie that in together to give the maturity ratings some cohesion across the board and tying it in with products both in-world and on the Marketplace.

    I'd go so far as to say maturity ratings wouldn't be a "bad" thing to be settable on in-world objects, but that's a lot of complexity to add to the system.

  15. Already sent a hearty welcome on the other thread, but here's another one. Looking forward to 2011!

    Someone mentioned a bear and that is a tradition here in SL. Coming from a gaming industry backround though, you need to show your Linden co-workers a thing or two about bear-building and build the best bear to date!

    Of course let them challenge it with better bears. Or threaten them, there are some Linden bear slackers! But raise that bear-bar, this is 2011 and this is a platform capable of bearing more fruitful bears. Toy with the other Lindens first with a bear that has your Twitter feed on a chalkboard your bear holds using Prim Media.

    When they start getting the hang of it, plug yours into an old Z-Machine intepreter (if you don't remember Infocom, you're fired!) and show them how Interactive Fiction bears are done.

    Don't make them breedable, because that's spooky and that market belongs to us. Carry on!

    Linden Lab's New CEO

    
    

    @ Dartagan

    Experience is nice but exeperience at a game company does not prepare one for what Second Life is about. Best if he took a fresh look at things not think in game terms

    I know that we understand the vast differences between SL and a game.

    And yet, you will find no CEO that has more closely related experience to an open ended virtual world than someone with game experience. From multi-user, to software, to game/world-centric communities that outlast the popularity of any given game. This particular CEO also has experience with virtual goods and content creation.

    The similarities are great enough that the question is still asked "is Second Life a game?". The new answer needs to not be "no", but rather yes our virtual world is an expression of many things, a game being one of them.

    This will allow us to reach more people on more familiar ground. People that understand what a virtual world is already "get it".

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    As Barr notes, the Second Life client is served up from Amazon's S3 cloud storage service.

    As I said, client here meaning viewer. S3 is for viewer downloads.

    Don't mean to be contrary, but you really shouldn't fall for the economic woe myth. I know that's a bit off topic, but SL is projected for a $500M gross in virtual goods this year, and as of a few days ago Phil did say we were still in profit.

    These are cost cutting measures to compensate for some rough economic times that many companies are facing and MBA's among you understand it for what it is, as well as an equality pricing standard for all.

    User growth is also modest in terms of previous boom years, but increases steadily.

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    DoctorEigen Flow wrote:

    ...educators have nothing really to offer, as they live in a dream world completely isolated from the 'real one' you live in, and are mostly braggarts who loft above everyone else with their 'degrees', and actual inadequacies, while they obsess about a bunch of  un-useful unimpressive self serving ‘stuff’, that only they, in their little closed communities, make a big deal about?!

    You know that's not what I said.

  18. The whole lawsuit thing is a bit over the top, don't you think?

    Let me tell you my take on it from a non educator and entertainment/commercial SL customer.

    That isn't to say we're not familiar, my wife and I do some hefty consulting and networking in RL and we probably register a couple hundred corporations a year for clients, including many 501c3 non profits, corp restructures to non profit, a handful of educational business structures and multiple corporation non profit hybrids. (some of you non profits might want to bone up on hybrid non profit, although fund raising outside of SL is rediculously easy if you're only needing a few thousand to pay for a sim or two for a year).

    This isn't a TOS thing, and it's not a contractual thing. It's a company that has simply decided that it's no longer in their best interests for whatever reason to not offer a discount that they offered previously. While it might be painful in the short term for anyone that has to whip up more funding (again not difficult, a single car wash will do you for a year).

    I know this isn't always the case, but if I didn't know better this is what I see as a non education resident.

    There are two ways that I view education. One is that it teaches. If I see it teaching only internally, I'm not thinking they're working distance learning. If I'm not seeing courses offered to the general public, I'm not seeing it as beneficial in any way to "my world". If I'm not seeing free adult education, I'm seeing no contribution to the larger world in terms of educational philanthropy.

    As a normal resident, I don't see the value of research that has done something to shake up the way my virtual world runs. I've been surveyed many times though.

    As a "regular joe" or as a business professional, I look at this thread and I might think there's a lack of professionalism and manners to try to get all your peers to jump ship, and even to be mentioning OpenSim on an LL property. It's lacking good form, manners and professionalism. I would never do that with a business I deal with in RL, even when we part ways. So for that to come from especially educators that I look up to, it's disheartening.

    When I see comments that SL is going to be all porn if educators and non profits go ... how rude. My wife and I are not pornographers, neither are many of the people we hang out with in SL, nor are the many business professionals we met in our years here.

    When I see educators laying claim to building SL traffic so substantially that SL will die without them, and yet the overall signup numbers are a bit flat, I'm thinking they're a bit off base. Lest you lay that on SL's doorstep, let me remind that the place was a media darling and hopping due mostly to it's viral nature and that the bulk of SL was built upon the media attention and a touch of notariety which led to it's viral nature. The article in Business week for Anshe Chung as land baron created the boom year or two that we enjoyed (2006-2007) more than any other single event or group.

    In short the "appearance" here is that educators are mostly using it solely within their own industry for networking purposes, and that's fantastic, but the average user doesn't see the benefit to their world, again.

    From a sheer profit standpoint, 50% of the cost of the servers, plus the huge amount of extra costs that go into making that server run (folks with some business background will understand the full costs that go into a venture like this on the level of SL, from labor to taxes to legal, etc.) education is basically break even on the whole.

    Non profits can also be considered a sink that do their fundrasing in world, they take far more out of the economy (understandably) than they put in.

    So really, if you value perception of yourselves, say thank you for the discount we've enjoyed, talk among yourselves about your next moves and solutions and don't drag it down to the same level of resident drama that you should be above. If we're to value educators you need to consider these things. Take it from an old business guy, profit, education, non profit, what have you ... you're always selling something and that something is you to more eyeballs than you might realize.

    I brag about education in SL to my peers, I've always stuck up for education even though I believe they drop the ball on not caring and/or not offering free education and implementing this new tech as a distance learning tool to accomplish that. I'm not trying to lay that on everyone, and I know many of you do "good things" and have done great things in the past.

    This last Relay for Life has changed my life, and I've always been pro non profit as well, so please don't mistake that either.

    I'll even break manners a bit and say that OpenSim may be a good fit for some of you. Especially if you're not doing distance learning, low cost open source and education has often been a fit, and the easiest sell to your admins is going to be a free firewalled application, hosted on minimal resources.

    But please, if you want to be a part of "our world", show that you really are above us in some way other than being more "educated", because that doesn't really come through in a thread like this. If you're not interested in us, and making our world better, how can we be interested in you?

    But really, consider the free education route for the masses here. Educating those "pornographers" with RL skills (not building and scripting, they can learn that anywhere) that will improve their lives, get them jobs and eventually get some of them paying for a better education will draw the kind of media attention to SL that it needs, improve your chances of funding, show the rest of the world you care about more than your own industry and aren't above them, and most likely would make re-instating a hefty discount again much more of an investment for LL.

    But if you're not interested in the rest of the world, that puts you in as partial liability, and part break-even. Why should they care about you?

    And of course it isn't political or an injustice, it's simply a company that probably partially regrets not being able to extend to you the same discount that they have for years, and that's all it is, no matter how you try to bloat it.

    Once again, not pointing fingers and I know there are exceptions and great educators and non profits donig lots of good. Just food for thought.

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    Harald Pinion wrote:

    I sincerely hope that you are going to catch up on complaints about the sale of pirated products and DMCAs filled regarding the theft of intellectual property that goes on in your market.

    Yessir! Not a problem, would like to take a stab at it though ...

    Per the plan initially announced on the roadmap here: http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/08/04/our-content-management-roadmap

    and some comments much more recently like:

    We are currently testing some early improvements to our intellectual property complaint process. Stay tuned for more content management announcements as we have them.

    posted on the Mesh wiki page last week I believe, the plan is still underway to improve the IP education and reporting process and that's being taken seriously. It's fraught with some complex considerations though involving legal issues, liability, etc. so it's no easy task.

    It is nearing some better solutions though and under active review.

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