Czari Zenovka

Thank you both for your replies. I totally agree, Clarissa, that people who like particular types of land (ie. in my case I prefer water sims) will pay more just because of that. If I wanted to pay a month or two more of tier, I could likely get a better price. For me, visual impediments at ground level has never been a factor since I have always lived in the sky, but I realize it does have an impact on land value. I received a reply from a land buyer from whom I have purchased land on the sim on which I live. The neighbor on one side of my parcels has his home (I'm supposing) within a big, black box. The land buyer said unfortunately that lowers the price but has offered 0.97 per parcel, which is more than the landbots as I got to 0.9 and hadn't triggered landbots yet. (Interestingly a 1024 parcel in the middle of the same sim has been listed for 24.0 per sqm....for a looong time. Three 512 parcels are priced at 13,500L each, but they do face one of the protected Linden oceans; however, they've also been for sale a long time. At present, I think I'll sell the 1024 to the land buyer as that was an impulse purchase mistake on my part and I just don't want to pay any more tier on it. I *may* hang onto the 512 for awhile longer and do a bit of advertising on it. I appreciate the input and I feel a lot better that 0.5L/sqm seems to be the *norm*. I knew land prices were low now, but in checking land prices all over SL when I happen to be in a new sim, I'm amazed that some people can either apparently sit on the land for the price they want or haven't heard that mainland prices have tanked.

I have decided to sell two parcels on mainland. One is 1024 sqm and the other is 512 sqm. They are adjacent so if one person wanted them, it would be 1536 sqm. The last time I sold land about 2 years ago, I ended up selling to a landbot at around 3.2 per sqm. From looking at the online land classifieds, the lowest is 0.5! OUCH! I experimented with the 1024 earlier and kept lowering the price to see when the landbots would descend but got to 0.9 before I stopped and contacted a land buyer. While waiting to see what his offer is, has anyone sold land recently, what is a price point that people will buy, did you have to wait some time before selling (I need to sell quickly), etc. These parcels are on a water sim bordered by two Linden oceans, but are not on the water, although the oceans are easily accessible.** I don't think landbots take that into consideration. Any suggestions, ideas, comments, etc. are appreciated. Thank you. :) **Correction - The parcels are part of the water sim but not on the two edges facing the Linden oceans.

Hi, eleao I know it's frustrating when these things happen. As a merchant, I agree with Rolig - especially on a weekend. I state in my profile to please send either an IM or note card to me should any problem occur but if I have not responded within 48 hours to please resend as that means that I have not received the correspondence. (That is my personal policy; not speaking for other merchants.) It is very possible that IM's get capped, etc. so when I have a question for a merchant that does not get answered within a reasonable amount of time, I follow up with the method I *did not* use before, ie. if I sent a note card, then I follow up with an IM and vice versa. If still no answer, I try one more time, then file a ticket. Filing a ticket is the LL standard procedure for The Marketplace hiccups and a merchant who advises to do so is well within proper operating practices. I personally want to provide excellent customer service and would rather just replace an item in this type of situation, but I have a very small business, by preference. Large stores often have employees or business partners who also handle issues so may not have the resources or time to offer this type of personal service. Therefore, I would send a note card and follow up with an IM on Monday and in the IM say something like "I'm not sure if you received the note card, so just wanted to follow up with an IM." That has always worked for me.

Haven't found anything missing *knocks on wood* but have found folders moved from where they should be, like a "Dress folder" now being a subfolder of "Scripts" for instance.

^^Thank you. :smileyhappy: (Haven't figured out how to do parts of quotes within a post yet.) Re: Calling someone's build into question by putting up a screen, especially if said screen wasn't there when the person purchased their new parcel, could certainly be taken that way but, unless the new screen is awful looking on their side, I think most people on mainland know builds can change and most likely deal with it well. It sounds like you'd be a wonderful, caring neighbor. :smileyhappy: From living in the sky, I haven't really dealt with this tricky issue. Occasionally I come down to ground level to see if any new builds are up and once or twice I've screamed (not really) and headed back up 1,000m - lol. Sometimes the "ugly builds" fascinate me as in "Now what was the logic behind that?" One example on my sim was someone who placed a white marble gazebo with a spiral staircase around it at "water (ground) level. The topper was a pink grand piano inside the gazebo. Ok, I can think of a lot of places this would really look pretty (especially if one's favorite piano color was pink...lol) but ummm....just sitting there on a water sim surrounded by tiki-type or Japanese style homes and nothing else around the gazebo? Later, the addition of a small Japanese shrine and a couple of the good luck Neko cats appeared...underwater and under the gazebo. Neither of the builds were ugly, just odd placements. Only one time in three years on my sim have I seen an "ugly build" fight, that I know of. Actually it was a "Banline Fight" prior to the ability to not view banlines. Two neighboring residents who lived close to me had an ongoing feud due to one resident having banlines and the neighbor asking politely if she could take down the banlines or put her on the white list, etc. Apparently the banline person said something to the effect of "Get lost" but the phrase that starts with an F.:smileywink: So the other resident (who I knew slightly, thus knowing the background of this fight) put up a very high screen and on the neighbor's side drew banlines with the words "Now you can see what I do" on it in huge red letters. She then sent several notecards over a period of time saying that all the neighbor had to do was take down her banlines or add her to white list or whatever and she would take her prim down. It never happened and eventually both neighbors moved. I think it's sad when a stalemate like that happens, especially when a verbal fight ensues. :smileysad:

Baloo Uriza wrote: I could be wrong, but I've interpreted anything past the height of banline effectiveness to be communal Linden airspace, as people piloting air vehicles are generally unable to see property lines at ground level and are usually just passing through at a relatively high rate of speed. No, the entire 4096 sqm of vertical parcel space belongs to the parcel's owner. As far as air vehicles, there was quite a lively discussion on the old Resident Answers Forum begun by someone who enjoyed flying hot air balloons. His complaint was encountering security orbs that tossed him out before he could maneuver away in time due to the slow moving rate of hot air balloons. So, not all air traffic is moving at a high rate of speed. :smileywink: The balloonist said he enjoyed being at about 100-300m high to view the landscape beneath. At that height, not only was he going to encounter the occasional security orb, but a lot of structures. When I placed my home in the air most recently, I had to go to 1,000 m before I wasn't next to some structure. When that discussion was taking place, those in the thread said that from now on they wouldn't put anything in the air under 400m. That was a nice gesture but only a tiny fraction of SL residents read the forums and even less that particular thread so it wasn't a solution unless the balloonist only flew over those people's parcels. I use a security orb and, after that thread, I found one that allows me to set the warning time to as high as 60 seconds before giving the boot. I figure anyone flying around can get out of a 512 sqm area within a minute. I do agree the 10 secs warning is barely enough time to even read the warning. I also began placed my home higher than 400m. This was prior to the current 4096m ceiling. Basically it comes down to not being able to please everyone all the time. (This is not in reference to the OP as she has a bonafide encroachment complaint.) Everything that falls under the LL "permissible" rules depends on people doing what they can to be better neighbors.

Hi Willow... You said you hit a megaprim platform on your property that did not figure into your prim count. Someone answered that it must have the root prim on your neighbor's property which would indeed have to be the case. I'm assuming since you bumped into it that the prim/platform was not phantom. I had a similar experience awhile back that really had me puzzled. My home is 1000m in the sky. I was experiencing a problem with friends trying to tp to my home not landing on the tp spot or even on my platform but, instead, freefalling down and usually landing on my neighbor's land. In trying to troubleshoot this, I began at the ground level of my parcel, also a 512 sqm and also began right in the middle and flew up slowly to see if there was any explanation why friends using lm's, tp requests, you name it, couldn't land in my home. At around the 200m level, I saw this huge blob right above my head. I had no idea what it was or how it got there. Same as you, no extra unaccounted for prims showed up in my prim count. An inspect showed it belonged to my neighbor. I was totally confused, however I was able to continue flying upwards and went right through the "blob." One of my friends who was helping me troubleshoot the tp situation said that was a linked sim extender, which I'd never heard of. I flew back down where the blob was, got the name of the creator, and went to his store. Just as my friend had said, the blob was part of a linked set of sculptie prims that gives the parcel owner the appearance of mountains. I then recalled a visit with this neighbor when she showed her new bunnies that she was breeding to me. She lives at ground level but had created her bunny pens on a platform at...200m. I also recalled thinking how beautiful the area around her platform was. It looked like we were in snow-covered Alps. I forgot to ask her how she made those. I contacted the creator of this product, told him the the trouble I'd been having with tps and if my neighbor's "mountains" could be the cause. He said the product wouldn't interfere with tps and the only problems it "might" cause would be increased lag. While I was at the sales location, I checked out this product and on the information notecard the creator stated there was no refund for complaints from neighbors. My tp issue was corrected (just a temporary SL "thing") and since I've never had lag in my home and I can fly through the "mountains" if I want to, I never mentioned it to my neighbor. We have lived on the same sim and known each other close to three years. I know this situation is different from yours due to the platform edging onto your property not being phantom so you can fly through it; however I just wanted to add my experience to this thread as others may encounter these sim extensions and be as confused as I was. Personally, if I had your situation, I would first speak to your neighbors and courteously ask them to move their platform. If they refuse and/or become rude, I would definitely submit an AR. It might be "legal" but I personally don't feel it is "right" to use a technicality to abuse property rights. On the old forums of 3 years ago, I used to see a good number of posts concerning neighbors having trees that were within a neighbor's land boundaries, but a good amount of the branches & leaves were over the adjacent parcel. If I recall correctly, these cases were generally resolved by talking to the neighbor but there is always the possibility of rude people* so a few of these issues were AR'd. *I used to own two parcels on my sim that were not adjacent and would fly between them. One day I slammed into a banline, feeling like a bird that hits glass windows. I had my "View Banlines" turned off as no one in three years used them, at least in that area of the sim. I appreciate privacy and security but, just my personal opinion, don't like banlines. Someone had recently purchased the parcel separating mine so I sent a very pleasant "Welcome to the neighborhood" type notecard, explained her parcel separated my two, which I realized wasn't her problem, but in the interest of being good neighbors, would she consider either using a security orb - which would give me time to fly over her parcel - or please add me to her white list, which is what those of us who have lived on this sim for a long time do with each other as a courtesy. It was certainly her perogative to say no, case closed, and then I'd just fly around her land. She did say no, but also informed me I had no right to even speak to her!!! Okkkaaayyyy. Fortunately she moved in about a month. Which brings me to another issue that might eventually solve your problem: it is very common for people to buy and sell especially mainland fairly quickly. I don't know how long you've lived on your land or how long your neighbor has, but many times "problem neighbors/issues" resolve themselves by the neighbor moving. Just a thought. The short answer to your question is: you absolutely own all the vertical space of your parcel. Good luck to you. :smileyhappy:

This was a great discussion on how people creatively used a 512 sqm parcel of land from the old Resident Answers forum that is now archived but can still be read: http://forums-archive.secondlife.com/327/69/254601/1.html With careful prim usage it is amazing what a nice home a 512 sqm can be. In fact, at one time I owned approximately 5600 sqm of land, but I was stressed at having to try to meet tier each month so now I am back to a 512 parcel on mainland on the same sim I have lived on for about 3 years and love it. There are many skillful prefab builders of homes who offer really nice homes for very low prims. (If you ever want to see mine, just send an IM in world and I'll be happy to show you.) Next is choosing low prim furniture wisely and, again, due to the builder's skillful use of prims, you can find really nice low prim furniture. I know where a good place to start would be (whistles innocently while blatantly promoting my shop. *grins*) and if you search for "low prim" there are many wonderful stores that specialize in that type of furnishings.

Educators (schools and universities) aren't the only organizations affected by this. Others include: - Museums like The Tech Museum of Innovation and the Frank Lloyd Wright Museum in SL - Government agencies like NASA and NOAA - Libraries - Relay for Life (the American Cancer Society) - Virtual Ability - Advocacy organizations like the National Space Society Good point, Troy. It also affects the religious community on SL. My own home church within SL just received recognition as part of the denomination's church community within RL, which took quite awhile to go through the various processes involved.

Are you trying to hasten the exodus to OpenSim? It sure seems like it! There was already an exodus last April primarily among SL merchants due to the direction it seemed like LL was headed in this community that was worrisome to merchants. The above fall generally into three categories: 1. Merchants who are still in SL but have established "sister" businesses on another grid so if the economy/business plummets in SL, they are already known, established and operating elsewhere. 2. Merchants who sold the majority of their land (some owning many estates) and keep just a bare minimum of their business in SL while establishing and operating primarily from another grid. 3. Merchants who packed up shop altogether, sold all their land and are 100% in another grid. Note: A great many of these merchants are large, well-known, well-establish, familiar "names" in SL as well as smaller merchants and those new residents to another grid who are opening businesses for the first time. Add in the circle of friends, acquaintances, and customers of the above and more people are checking out other "worlds." Some will go and return to SL, others will have "duel-citizenships" (spend time in both places) and others will make friends and decide to stay there. With the apparent economic climate of LL, now targeting yet another group of residents does not, in my opinion, seem like a wise business move.

My next question would be how many of the existing premium accounts are unique accounts, ie. not alts who also have premium accounts to own more land. While a premium account is still a premium account, my general impression of those who have alts as premiums is solely as a land-purchasing goal and would not create more business for clubs or shops.