Honey Puddles

On a side note, why do LL's viewers still hide my notes tab from me? I used that all the time and now I can't access it unless I log in using a third party viewer. As for the old old old "notes" tab that let you lkeep notes on your OWN profile.. that's long gone as far as I can tell. I never really stored anything important there myself, since it had a habit of disappearing (if it's that important, I put it on a text file on my computer, or more often, one of Window's "Sticky Notes").

Just saying.. you *CAN* change that setting. There was no "snark" intended. It's a setting, accessible in preferences. If you don't like the default download behaviour for client updates, just change the setting.

I'd love to download and try out viewer 2.5, except that I can't. You see, viewer 2.4 took it upon itself to ninja-download and install 2.5 without my consent or participation.

You can also have more than one open at a time.

Other than nomenclature, are there any differences between this release and the latest beta version? (Second Life 2.5.0 (220251) Feb 2 2011 15:18:59)

True, editing a post to fix spelling shouldn't generate an "email all watchers" event.. but it does, and Linden Lab (as explained by Oz) is more interested in solving Second Life's issues, than Jira's. So, we're faced with an issue that simply isn't going to be resolved until the people at Jira decide to resolve it. Given that, it's time to find a workaround. One simple workaround is to filter your email. Another workaround is to withdraw from the process entirely, or just up and quit Second Life. Personally.. I can handle filtering my email (I've been doing it for years with the constant notices from the Marketplace (formerly SL Exchange) and the Lindex.) Is there too much unneccessary email coming from Second Life? probably. Is it worth getting all in a huff about? I don't think so. I too would rather that the Lindens work on fixing the problems in SL, rather than spending their time trying to modify the Jira system. Watch to show interest in an issue. We get emails when we watch. Deal with emails effectively. To me, that means filter them to a folder. To others that might mean filtering to trash. But I'm interested in moving forward in a positive and effective manner. Standing around complaining for hours about something I can control with 30 seconds of typing on my email program.. that's not an effective use of my time or energy.

For those complaining that "watching" Jira entries will fill up their inboxes, remember, almost every single mail program or website allows you to filter incomming mail. if <message subject> contains ], and <message sender> contains , move to folder You can even do it in gmail. From: no-reply(AT)secondlife.com Subject: Skip the Inbox (Archive it) Apply the label: SL JIRA It's pretty simple to do, takes all of 30 seconds. Now you can follow all the issues that matter to you, and not be bothered by the flow of information polluting your inbox. PLUS.. you'll now have a handly folder (or label) that you can click on an at-will basis, to check in with the progress on all your favourite jira issues in one easy place.

Participate in SL Forums: SL Forums are a great place to connect with other Residents on specific topics. As I mentioned earlier, we’re going to roll out a new community platform for Forums that is easier to use and more organized. Look for that next month when User Groups will be adding specific areas for lively discussions with our Product Managers on topics relevant to each User Group. I, for one, am really glad to see this. I'm a passionate and involved SL user. I'd like to be involved in the process, and bring my ideas, suggestions, and feedback to the table.. but office hours are always so limiting. An office "hour" is usually only 50 minutes, and after 10 minutes of "Hello" and "where's the Linden?" and "who has the link to the agenda?" it's 40 minutes.. mostly filled with people's questions and comments not getting responded to, and a few cherry -picked questions getting a response, and rarely in the kind of detail people would like. There's no chance to ask for clarification, too soon the "hour" is over, and the Linden is gone.. offline, the topics never to be broached again. I have an unpredictable RL schedule. This means, while I have ample amounts of time for SL, I have a hard time planning to attend any given office hour. Forums are particularly well suited to my situation, and are ideal for collaborating across multiple schedules and timezones. Indeed, I am sincerely looking forward to this opportunity, to finally "reach someone" and be able to bring the dozens of JIRAs I've posted, commented, and voted on over the years, to the attention of the proper people to do something about it, even if it's just to say "no, we're not going to do that". Whether it's the issue of Agent height vs Avatar height, or the inability to delete an object if it's worn.. or just some funky glitch with lighting (or that weird bug where we have to double-click the profile button to get the profile to open in the latest beta viewer)... The Jira may be the best way to formally submit the issue.. but it's a terrible place to try and get a new issue noticed, especially in beta testing, when you want a bug to be noticed before it goes to release. I look forward to these renewed strategies for integrating user feedback... and I can't wait to see what you've got in store for the forums/blogs/etc. As a longtime SL user, I know that LL has stumbled on this path before. But I hope that this time, we can work together to help make Second Life the amazing world that we all know it can be.

The page on "The Rig" really needs pictures. Just sayin'. P.s. Are there any other "more affordable" alternatives to the SpaceNavigator? Most of the ones I've seen have cost in the range of $60 to $200 and beyond, before shipping.

I assume the profiles will remain viewable inworld, in the UI, just using a web-based system? Either way, they sure look better. Viewable inworld, via popup in-game web browsers. Click a "profile" button, and up pops a web browser pointed at the profile page in question. Complete with a working "Actions" button that opens a dropdown menu for functions including IM, pay, add friend, etc. I think the biggest issue with these is going to be the inability to drag inventory to them.. but the ability to use web based (free) image uploads will be a plus. Not to mention that now ALL the text you type in your profile is visible, instead of just the first 4 lines and "more..." It still needs some polishing, but it's a pretty good compromise.. allowing us to have multiple profiles open at once.. and since they're webpages, we can easily "bookmark" the pages of people whose profiles or stores we'd like to check out later.

@wolffang Go to Me menu > Preferences, click Chat tab, UNCHECK Play typing animation when chatting. Another classic fave of mine, maybe I should do a reminder tip. If you do do a follow-up.. be sure to make note that at some point, LL fixed the "scripts can't detect typing if typing animation is disabled" issue. I don't remember when it was fixed.. but I know way back in the annuls of time, if you disabled the typing animation (and the clicketyclack sound), any scripted "typing AO device" you might have had, wouldn't work, because as far as LSL was concerened.. if the animation wasn't playing, you weren't typing. This did indeed get fixed.. and nowadays you can safely turn off the typing animation (and sound) and still make use of a typing AO instead.

Perhaps LL should get with the program and and provide some of the features which have proven immensely popular in TPVs. Maybe you missed these? multi-attachments (inspired by TPV secondary attachment points) alpha masks (inspired by TPV "hide avatar" functions) double-click to teleport (inspired by TPVs) agent height displayed in shape editor (not quite finished yet, but it's progress) teleport history support for external script editors sit-down right where you're standing (inspired by AO's) align textures across multiple prim surfaces double-click to wear built-in google translation for local chat And there seem to be lots more, on the way. Got a favourite third-party function that you think would make an excellent addition to the official viewer? Find a Jira issue for it, or create one, and post the link here.. and I'll vote for it. I'm sure others would too.

My advice is to uninstall all other viewers, and go cold turkey with V2 for 2 weeks. Honestly, I'm such a big fan of alpha masks and the tatto layer and multi-wearables.. I couldn't stand to use Viewer 1.23.5 for more than 10 minutes.

The only real argument for using an old viewer, that has any teeth at all is that Viewer 2 doesn't allow access to the "legacy search" system. Unfortunately, while that search system was superior in terms of search results and relevancy.. the fact is that the system was overburdening LL's servers. The new system does not.. but it also doesn't provide the same "quality" of search results. The remaining issues.. c'mon people.. it's been nearly a year since Viewer 2 was released.. it's time to get with the program. Every one of you that holds out, is keeping content creators from making awesome new content using multi-attach, multiple clothing layers, tattoos, alpha masks, shared media, and whatever else LL has released since February 2010. It takes a few more clicks.. and yes some things have changed.. there are a very VERY few things you could do with 1.23.5 that you can't do with 2.4.. but the amount of things you can do with 2.4 that you can't do with 1.23.5 is getting longer every day. More and more third party viewers are also implementing these features.. so if you can't see or use multi-attachments, and you can't wear the new clothing layers.. ask yourself this: how much are you missing out on today? and how much will you miss out on tomorrow? Viewer 1.23.5 won't be able to see meshes either.

Really.. this is the function I wanted in 2006. And I'm so glad this feature is finally here. Ever had a no-modify item attach to your pelvis? are you a neko who wears prim skirts and a tail, and maybe wants to attach something else down there? (a belly button piercing, a belt, or some naughty bits?) Now you can, and you don't have to link things together and hope that they'll work together. Combined with outfit shortcuts.. no-mod attachments and no-copy items are no longer the major impediments they once were. This feature is so awesome. Now.. Torley.. how do we go about getting a "Neck/Throat" attachment point? It's the only bone in the avatar skeleton that you can't attach things to. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-20233

How do we switch that off again?

I wish I had the problem of needing to cash out more than 5000 USD per month.. but even at my meager level of cashing out, I too wish that LL's Lindex would offer the speedy (minutes) cashing out that XStreet's exchange offered. It's really a pain to wonder "when" I'll get my money.. especially since Paypal piles on an extra 4 days for cashing out from them to the bank. If XStreet could manage it, why can't Linden Lab?

I'm very pleased that you've reinstated this important functionality.

When you disabled "Show Admin Menu"... you took away the built-in "fly in no-fly zones" tool. Is there a way to enable this function via a debug setting? I've always used the "Show Admin Menu" method. Also, llTextBox with multiple lines of text is still broken looking... but it does work. And glow on snapshots is still very broken. Great job on the new preferences panel, love the "Allow Multiple Viewers" and "Show Grid Selection at Login" checkboxes. Can't wait to see this background updater in action!

I'm really glad to see this viewer getting released. The beta viewer has been really nice and steady, with a few fun new features. In particular, builders will rejoice over this one: Menu item to hide object selection outlines No more relogging to turn on/off selection outlines (those yellow and blue lines that make texturing and fine adjustments such a PITA.) Build > Options > Show Selection Outlines To the Lindens, a question: Are there any code changes from the beta viewer (214400) to this released version?

The new animation is in viewer 2. (Torley's avatar is using the new walk in the beginning of video). (well 2.3 beta at least, I can't remember if it was in 2.2, 2.1, or 2.0... but it's in for me now.) The new walk animation isn't "great" but it's way better.. and the "benny hill run" is also a LOT better now. I still wouldn't go without my AO for long.. but the default animations are a bit kinder on the noobs now.

This is a brilliant expansion on the tooltips concept, and I absolutely LOVE how easy and intuitive it is to turn it off. As a beta tester, I enjoyed seeing the tips, knowing how helpful they would be for new users, but as an advanced user, I really liked that the offswitch was easy to find, and exactly in the first place I looked. Standard UI conventions FTW. Now, about File, Edit, and View...

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Well I downloaded the beta viewer, and made a beeline for a display-names enabled sim. The following are the things I learned. usernames (the unchangeable one) is visible by default (for now). This means that (assuming my Display name has been changed) you can still see "winter.ventura" under my chosen name in smaller letters. When display usernames is enabled, usernames ALSO show in local chat, in green, assuming that you're using the "Viewer 2" style chat with the icon bars. If you're using plain text chat, I don't think it shows. showing display names (or usernames) is optional. Meaning that you can choose to hide the display names, or choose to hide the usernames. both are on by default, but either can be hidden at your option. If you choose to use a display name, but think it's stupid, you can click a button to reset back to your "default name". I'm not really sure how this works as I didn't test this myself, whether it goes back to your previous display name, or to a name based off your username.. but you're not STUCK with a bad name for a week. You won't be able to CHANGE it again until your week is up. Group titles are using smaller text now, and seem shorter as well. I like that the text is smaller,making it easier to see which is the display name. Though there's a jira on the shorter length thing and how it interacts with unicode in titles: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-23629 There is an option to "highlight" friends nametags in green. Kind of a neat feature in a crowded room, I suppose. I'm pretty pleased with the way that the Lindens have anticipated some of the issues people will have with this feature. I know that eventually show usernames will probably be off by default.. but it's nice that at least for the transition they'll be on for everyone. I've seen a lot of people fooling around with trying to use Display Names like group titles. One person named themselves "Jedi Master".. and I thought it was silly because now everyone's gonna call them "Jedi" for the next week. In regards to LSL, and so-called "Flavour text" from various scripted devices.. I think we're going to have a rocky time of it. Eventually we're going to get new SL users who don't have traditional "names" in their usernames.. as there will be only one lasname (Resident) the usernames will predictably get more and more complex and less human readable (quag123giggitygiggity). So using good old llKey2Name in scripts will become less and less relevant for those new users. As scripters, I think we'll have to start using the display name equivalents. How we'll deal with security doors and such, I don't know. probably just by having the customer put the person's UUID, or username in the access notecards. (which means we'll have to provide some way to find those UUIDs.. at least until LL adds the "show UUID on profile" thing that many TPV's have.) I think a lot of this drama will blow over eventually.. and we'll see what we've seen in the past. a few people obstinantly refusing to use it, a few people banning people arbitrarily for choosing to use it.. and the rest of us getting on with life, using it or not when it makes sense for us to do so.