Melita Magic

He may have picked a way to prove his point that you disliked, but I'm afraid TOS is on his side. I'm afraid in this case you could be considered the 'bad neighbor.' Encroaching of prims or objects even a little bit is frowned on in TOS. I've asked neighbors to move trees back to their side of the property line in the past, if the branches or fronds cut into what I would like to put there. Sometimes it is a judgment call, and if it's a good neighbor I can overlook some small things like that. Might want to look at the drop down list for the Abuse Report menu. And try not to do any of those things on your or your neighbor's land. But it is up to you. They can AR you for the sphere, though, just so you know. ETA. If you'd like other people to add what irks them about a neighbor one small thing that irks me is when I have one or two things in the sky, and later, out of all the possible choices, someone else puts their own (usually enormous) blingy blangy object RIGHT next to mine in the sky. (Really - both have one object in the sky and they pick the same height mine is on? Sigh) So if you were not encroaching onto their land (even at that height) I would be on your side. I try to rez my sky things where it's empty. He still would not be against TOS though since he can technically put something every 50 (or 5) meters in the sky if his prims aren't used up yet. So I have never said anything to a neighbor who did that - and they almost all do.

Well it isn't completely dedicated to tiny avatars. But my park has several things for tiny avatars to enjoy. Come explore if you want. It's in my picks. ETA. If you have suggestions for better tiny activities there, use the mailbox by the food court.

Some merchants really overdo the direct marketing. Merchants, if the person did not specifically sign up to get updates on products, leave them alone. If it's a product they bought, of course, send updates or notices about similar products maybe. But don't spam everyone who visits your store. And if they do sign up for ads and notices, include instructions on unsubscribing in every notice or note card. Otherwise it is just spam. Even email ads have to do this by law. Or they are considered spam. The same rules apply to phoning someone repeatedly about products. It is legal if they are an existing customer. Although it may not be against TOS please use common sense rather than alienating your (potential) customers. I've seen shops who put in their land covenant that any visitor implicitly agrees to be spammed (of course they say it another way) simply by being there. That isn't an agreement that is coersion. Let them click to join a list - or leave them alone.

Permissions are up to the creator. Pay attention to permissions before you buy.

Willow Danube wrote: NCI is a good place to get help regardless of your viewers. Another place that had helped me tremendously when I was first a newbie is The Faery Crossings. Those faes over there has good sense of humor, at least that's how I remembered it. Just type The Faery Crossings on your search and teleport to that location. Your problem is quite easy to solve and you just need one on one guidance. She should go for help in a Moderate or an Adult parcel if possible. If she teleports naked to a PG parcel, she could get banned from that parcel/sim, and ARed. I think NCI is G rated. (Is it?)

Melita Magic wrote: Ciaran Laval wrote: What browser are you using? It's a bowser thing? I will change to a different doggy and see what happens. It's always something stupidly simple isn't it?! Update. Same borkage different browser.

Ciaran Laval wrote: What browser are you using? It's a bowser thing? I will change to a different doggy and see what happens. It's always something stupidly simple isn't it?!

Thanks PeeWee and Celestiall. I will IM you soon Celestiall. I can't access tickets or Live Chat. It was like this about a month ago too but I forgot about it. I assumed it would be cleared up. So I'm the only one? What is going on? :smileyindifferent:

Well I feel for you but at least you were able to create a ticket and try Live Chat at all. I pay $300 USD per month* and cannot access Live Chat nor can I complete a ticket. When I hit send, I get an error message even though I filled out and chose every drop down or typed text option. I know how to do a ticket after all. But it says "error, please choose one from this menu" and then the menu is inoperable. And that's after I had already chosen something from all menus and filled in the text boxes too. My Live Chat page is a blank. It just says Live Chat then nothing at all. So I'm not sure what to think either. Or what to do. Hope things get better for ya. Maybe you can get someone on the phone Monday who can help. Call during PST business hours (SL time hours) and ask for a manager. Maybe that'll work? *that's just in tier. I also shop heavily, and more I don't want to go into here, and there seem to be 'mystery charges' the same times per month which we can't figure out nor can LL...I need to call them (again) about that sometime...Fingers crossed for each other hey? I know I'm not a land baron but my honorarium to LL each month is about half my RL bills Maybe more, to be honest I'm a bit in denial and don't want to add. LOL

Having an issue. People can't pick up their own boxes. I need to go into more detail but not here. I filled in a ticket. It said error, choose one of the below. I already had but I tried again. There were no choices in the drop down at all. So I went to the Live Chat page, which is what I needed anyway - and it's blank. Of course tech support by phone is closed til Monday! Is anyone else having this issue with land and can advise me please?

LOL @ the pic. Hope Keli is able to come back. (Enjoy seeing Katy Perry)

Sounds good!

@Melita again - vertex is just a corner. Connect two vertexes to make an edge. Several edges make a polygon. A bunch of polygons make a mesh. Look at the default SL cube. It has 8 vertexes, 12 edges, 6 polygons (squares), and one mesh (the cube). Each vertex has a position in XYZ, just like SL prims as a whole have positions in a region. Change the XYZ values for a vertex, and you change the shape of the mesh. It's not as daunting as you might think, because everyone in SL who builds already uses a 3D editor, just a very simple one. You know I actually think I understood that. Lol. You are a good teacher. Hope you will do some classes in SL in the future. I don't know what that thing is you recommended Mac users install to use Blue Mars but I'm not sure what it would do to the system or if it's worth it just to try a game I might not even like. It's too bad they didn't get funding if that was their problem. But then developers all say that. Isn't it just about hiring one person who can code for Mac? What is an AMD Fusion Render server and what about people who aren't on AMD driven machines?

Thanks Daniel. I've tried SketchUp before and it seems pretty basic...I want to, in the end, make things similar to the avatars and clothes and such that are currently on Renderosity. But, I don't have any idea how long it might take to get to that level of skill (anyone know?) I meant people who will be in SL to help people learn and continue learning mesh creation on an ongoing basis but thank you for your post and for your IM offer.

As far as mesh making being mathematical I find it very visual actually..its almost like drawing to me. Really? That's promising. I draw. I dug out an old laptop and installed Sculptris, which was fun but is only available for PC. (My desktop = Mac. Why do developers exclude Mac? *whine* ) Anyway it was fun, but I need to spend more time with it because right now I can only make alien bug face heads. Lol. It's good to know there are groups for those of us who don't even know what we don't know. Thanks.

This is something that I noticed again and again during the debate: People either ignore the facts or misrepresent them. I'll be kinder in reply to your post than you were in reply to mine. I'll say you misunderstood my meaning rather than ignored or misrepresented (i.e. LIED about) it. I'm not sure what facts I might be ignoring. I'm willing to admit there are probably a lot of "Facts" regarding mesh that I'm not privy to. I do not intentionally lie about anything. My post was in reply to someone who said that no one should have a problem learning this new skill and gave as an example, brain surgery. My post was also in part, a joke. A quip. Oh well. I'm sure I didn't say most of the rest of your post, though I did say, and still do, that there is an obvious advantage the careerists will have over the hobbyist. That's always been so. It will be more so, with something this complex. I have also said that I vote yes for progress, and that it's inevitable. But I don't blame you if you have not read every one of the 900 or more posts in the blog comments here. (Not all 900 are mine, however.) I'm not standing in anyone's way. I think it would be nice if there were a rudimentary version available so that hobbyists can also continue to build and not look as outdated as 8 bit. I don't know why that notion would panic anyone. The mesh makers will still clean up. Provided there's anyone left in SL to buy their wares...But I kid.

Does anyone know one or a few good mesh support groups in Second Life? For ongoing questions and such. I really wish I had a tutor over my shoulder but maybe that would be the next best thing. I will give learning mesh a try but I am not a very linear thinker, and learning mesh strikes me as very mathematical. It is exactly like learning a totally unfamiliar new language for some of us. Math is a language. All the words that go with these new skills are a language of their own as well. I'm saying that in reply to those who keep saying "oh just learn it you whiners and shut up." It isn't being heard that not everyone can. A handful of success stories (who probably had friends who helped when needed, at the very least) does not mean everyone can do it. I'll try, though, I just wonder how many will put their bragging where their charity is and help others along the way?

I dont know how to do brain surgery .. does that mean the local hospital should let brain patients die because i dont know how to do it. I should hope not.. you either have the skill .... or you learn the skill, Not for nothing but, should a game, a hobby, really be as hard as brain surgery? I just want to have fun and create. I am obviously always going to be at a disadvantage compared to those who either do these things already for a career, or a second job, or who see this as a second career or job waiting to happen. If SL wants the big numbers they will or perhaps should appeal to both groups.

Agrees and seconds that motion! There has to be things that are writting in layman's language that is easy to use and relatively inexpensive. Product wise, you get some one interested in an easy to use product they will learn it and move up to a more complex product. Yeah! You know how some manuals in DIY stuff (like even a bookcase) are so complicated and in such wonky tech language you end up just muddling through building on your own? But at least one knows how it should be looking at each point throughout and if it falls over, you know you did it wrong. Lol (It also takes 4 times as long as it should, but with the given manual is impossible for you. And if you ask others, "RTM.") These 3d programs and even Photoshop are not written by artist/technogeeks but just by the technogeeks, that's clear to me...Most of it is counter intuitive, linear, and anything but easily grasp-able language. Which is regrettable, since I think, the sooner all online programs, especially games and virtual worlds, include everyone's ability to contribute, the sooner they will become what they want and need to be in order to thrive/profit/whatever floats their boat or 401k. Imagine a product that's easy to use and makes a great result. A true virtual Lego, not a virtual geometry program resulting in a Lego.

What are the stipulations for possibly selling the resulting product, down the line? I do not have plans to open a mesh shop but some might.

PS what is this in world animation tool you speak of? I'd love to learn proper animation. I'm not afraid of hard work. Learning a totally new language (which 'vertices' and such represents) is daunting however. I think Prok's "learning Chinese" analogy is apt, that's just what it is like for some of us (many of us maybe even most.) It isn't that people are lazy, they perhaps are intimidated, or have no clue where or how to even begin. Could I teach myself Chinese or Russian? How would I know I'm not saying "your dog is on fire" Instead of "hello?"

Yin Yang (or TWIMC) Speaking only for myself: I've never been in any elite that I know of. LOL. In SL I do nothing for profit. All that I do is out of pocket and available free to use for anyone who goes by very basic rules (the only stipulation.) So I am not profit motivated in SL and I do not know that I ever will be. I see SL as a platform to create, be social, relax. My version of creativity there is to landscape mostly since I never really learned how to build well. See above somewhere about finding a teacher = water in the Gobe. And yeah I've been to the various classes, it's not the same. Limited question time, and then it ends. No continuity. You will see what some of us say as excuses but I am not sure you have stopped to think what it is like to be left behind. Were you those alpha males with short sighted vision of the future how would you feel today instead? (I see them as people who respected hand crafting, as well as perhaps lacking vision or experience to know what was coming; which was in fact rare; 30 yrs ago how many people could predict the internet for example?) My point is that it's comfier from the vantage point of "I was right." Not everyone has had a technical background yet all wish to be in on the excitement of creation. Having even a rudimentary in world mesh editor/creator would be wonderful for those people - who are MOST OF US. Yes for progress, but keep in mind the people who get steamrolled by it and have a tiny bit of compassion.

So that's where/when Greenies went! I has a sad.

I hope people are taking in what you say Qie. You raise a lot of really good points. Red Queen's Race is just what it feels like for me but then some of us spend our lives on the treadmill. LOL

Blue Mars, for one, wins no fan here since they can't even be bothered to make a Mac version. Talk about short sighted. Or did they finally get with it? Still put a lot of us way behind if we wanted to join them, (which I was neutral at best over; SL was first, I like pioneers), if so.